MO MO - Teresa Butler, 35, Risco, 25 Jan 2006 *GUILTY*
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If this is related to Teresa's case, they must have a strong reason for being there. It would be tough to find any evidence after almost 12 years. Unless it is a body.
I hope this means there will be something substantial very soon.
No further word in the media on the results. The Sheriff did say they've interviewed several suspects.
I sometimes wonder if there is a connection between this case and the 1998 Portageville murders of Sherri Scherer and her daughter. The guy attempted another break in that same night in Dyersburg TN, less than an hour away. The same killer committed a rape in Memphis in 1997 and a murder in SC in 1990. This criminal doesn't have a problem with traveling to commit his crimes and none of the known ones seem similar. So I wonder about this one as they have his DNA.
http://people.com/crime/dna-link-serial-killer-rapist-crimes-three-states/
cannot believe the lack of media interest in this case.
has anyone listened to this interview?
I'm not American and her muffled deeply southern accent is very hard to follow.
I would love a breakdown on what her friend had to say about the ex wife.
thanks
I'm not American and her muffled deeply southern accent is very hard to follow.
I would love a breakdown on what her friend had to say about the ex wife.
thanks
ive taken away from the interview that the ex wife was very bitter and dragged out the divorce to dale.
dale and Teresa had 2 kids under 4. so we are talking about 5 years after the divorce. for the ex wife to still have issues is huge red flag.
the ex wife came to Teresa's house (with a police officer friend??)and confronted her about unknown content a few weeks before her disappearance.
VERY BLOODY INTERESTING!!!
dale and Teresa had 2 kids under 4. so we are talking about 5 years after the divorce. for the ex wife to still have issues is huge red flag.
the ex wife came to Teresa's house (with a police officer friend??)and confronted her about unknown content a few weeks before her disappearance.
VERY BLOODY INTERESTING!!!
loved your interview here ed.
very thorough.
I am a little surprised your not that suspicious of the obvious suspects??
amy cleary is. she knows them.
love to hear any updates you may have.
disappointing you can not comment on the you tube upload of the interview
thanks
I believe the local sheriff knows who did this at this point. The problem is the sufficiency and quality of the evidence is probably lacking to get the prosecutor to try the case. And there is no body.
I can't help but think they had been watching that house for a while and they knew the comings and goings of Teresa and her husband. They knew he worked nights and it was quite a ways away from the home.
I can't help but think they had been watching that house for a while and they knew the comings and goings of Teresa and her husband. They knew he worked nights and it was quite a ways away from the home.
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Here is what stands out most to me:
1. The items taken - Obviously these were the easy grab/not gonna trace kind. Yet, what sets them apart? For me, it is the fact that the Jeep Stereo was taken. All items were in the house except for this one.
2. Key snapped off in lock. Teresa was STILL alive when she left the home. She would have locked the door behind her because of the boys. I have no doubt about this. If you are being threatened/kidnapped and are trying to lock a door with a shaky hand, you could definitely snap it off. She may even had done this purposely so that no one could get back in to the boys.
3. The light bulb on the front porch was unscrewed. She would NOT have been able to tell who was on the porch or right outside her home without opening the door. Criminals do this all the time. Keep in mind that this is as town with 402 people. She probably saw most of them while working at Walmart.
So my theory?
This was a robbery. The criminals first took the Jeep stereo. They either unscrewed the light bulb BEFORE or AFTER taking the stereo. Either way, they wanted to be undetected. Teresa either heard them outside (and yes, I feel it was more than one individual) and went to investigate, or opened the door upon them knocking. Considering she disappeared sometime after 10pm, it would have been dark. No light bulb to show who it was. Her sister-in-law had JUST left the home, so it is VERY possible she may have thought it was her coming back having forgotten something? Either way, she either ends up being grabbed while they are taking the stereo or she opens the door and they rush her.
These aren't criminal masterminds. They wanted a quick grab and go. They may have been on drugs/alcohol at the time as well. So they end up in the house with a woman and her 2 young children. She wants nothing more than to keep her boys safe. She would have done whatever the individuals told her as long as they didn't touch the boys. Being so young, they are not worried about leaving them as credible witnesses. The only one that could do that is Teresa, which is why they couldn't just leave her behind.
She did as she was told. There is no confirmation which lock had the broken key inside, but more than likely it was from the front door. She would have wanted the house locked so the boys could not get out before they were found. It broke in the lock because she was either doing it herself and shaking, or it was intentional so they couldn't get back inside the house for the boys.
Again, this is a small town with 402 people. I am sure the individuals involved are one-degree away from Teresa at most. Hopefully justice will be served sooner rather than later and her body can be recovered for her family.
1. The items taken - Obviously these were the easy grab/not gonna trace kind. Yet, what sets them apart? For me, it is the fact that the Jeep Stereo was taken. All items were in the house except for this one.
2. Key snapped off in lock. Teresa was STILL alive when she left the home. She would have locked the door behind her because of the boys. I have no doubt about this. If you are being threatened/kidnapped and are trying to lock a door with a shaky hand, you could definitely snap it off. She may even had done this purposely so that no one could get back in to the boys.
3. The light bulb on the front porch was unscrewed. She would NOT have been able to tell who was on the porch or right outside her home without opening the door. Criminals do this all the time. Keep in mind that this is as town with 402 people. She probably saw most of them while working at Walmart.
So my theory?
This was a robbery. The criminals first took the Jeep stereo. They either unscrewed the light bulb BEFORE or AFTER taking the stereo. Either way, they wanted to be undetected. Teresa either heard them outside (and yes, I feel it was more than one individual) and went to investigate, or opened the door upon them knocking. Considering she disappeared sometime after 10pm, it would have been dark. No light bulb to show who it was. Her sister-in-law had JUST left the home, so it is VERY possible she may have thought it was her coming back having forgotten something? Either way, she either ends up being grabbed while they are taking the stereo or she opens the door and they rush her.
These aren't criminal masterminds. They wanted a quick grab and go. They may have been on drugs/alcohol at the time as well. So they end up in the house with a woman and her 2 young children. She wants nothing more than to keep her boys safe. She would have done whatever the individuals told her as long as they didn't touch the boys. Being so young, they are not worried about leaving them as credible witnesses. The only one that could do that is Teresa, which is why they couldn't just leave her behind.
She did as she was told. There is no confirmation which lock had the broken key inside, but more than likely it was from the front door. She would have wanted the house locked so the boys could not get out before they were found. It broke in the lock because she was either doing it herself and shaking, or it was intentional so they couldn't get back inside the house for the boys.
Again, this is a small town with 402 people. I am sure the individuals involved are one-degree away from Teresa at most. Hopefully justice will be served sooner rather than later and her body can be recovered for her family.
It never occurred to me that Teresa may have been the one who broke the key off if it was the front door. To protect her sons. Good point.
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Let us note it is not too difficult to remove a radio from a Jeep, as long as you have the proper tools and know-how. Since it would be difficult for anyone removing such an item to not leave fingerprints, hair or other trace evidence we might assume the perp(s) wore gloves and/or other coverings. Or, LE did find forensics in the vehicle and have kept that information from the public.
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When TB's husband returned home he entered through the locked front door. If there was a broken key in that door's lock he would not have been unable to unlock it and enter the house. The lock had to have been removed from a different door. LE, AFAIK, has not released that information.
What we do not know is if the porch light was on when the perp(s) arrived and they unscrewed it to reduce that lights' spillover to the Jeep.
I believe the stereo was removed from the Jeep *after* the perp(s) had already entered the house and interacted with TB. The perp(s) likely would have demanded the vehicle key from TB while also asking about other small electronic items she might have. I suppose one (or more) perp stayed in the house and watched TB while another (or more) removed the stereo. In the meantime, TB might have removed her wedding rings and managed to hide them under the sofa by dropping them and moving them with her foot or, they made TB sit on the sofa or carpet while they removed the now-missing items and that is when she hid the rings.
I also believe TB left 'willingly' with the perp(s) so as to remove the threat from the house... I believe the children were likely in bed sleeping by then.
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I'm wondering if the *letters* that make up the phone numbers that were dialed that evening spell out a name(s)...? Did LE pursue this line of thinking during their investigation?
If the killer(s) wore gloves then there wouldn't be any trace evidence from their hands, but I also still wonder if LE did find something in the Jeep.
I've also wondered about the broken lock. LE has purposely never said which door the key was broken off in. It could be the back door, but why go to the back door? Maybe to avoid the lit porch, but if they entered the house FIRST and didn't want to be seen with the porch light on they would simply flip the switch and turn it off. I'm wondering if the killer(s) unscrewed the bulb BEFORE Teresa came home but after her husband left. (This assumes their shifts overlap and the children are in some sort of child care.) This would assume planning in advance and I often wondered if the killer(s) were there strictly for a robbery and were surprised Teresa was home. (If they removed the bulb in advance though I don't see how they wouldn't be surprised since they cased the house in advance.) I wonder if the key were broken off in an unlocked dead bolt but the door knob lock was locked.
I still wonder if this was a robbery with no intention of abduction, but Teresa heard a noise near the Jeep and walked out on the porch to see what it was and couldn't get back in before they ran her down. In this scenario, the robber or robbers didn't cover their faces because they thought they would have the Jeep radio and be gone without being noticed. In such a scenario, they're in the house and decide to take more stuff while they're at it.
This could have been two killers, but I also wonder if this wasn't someone Teresa knew from the area by reputation and was scared of him if it were one person.
I also do believe everything Teresa did was to keep the person or persons away from her children. In that case, I often wonder if the person or one of the persons, if two, tried to go upstairs for jewelry. After all that is easier to carry out than a video camera. Maybe she tried to keep them from going to the bedrooms and was injured seriously in that attempt. She could have been dead or seriously injured and the abductor(s) panicked. But there has been no mention of a sign of a struggle or blood and a head wound would bleed a lot.
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We do not know which "family member" brought the lock-with-broken-off-key to LE. Why wasn't it TB's husband? I am not suggesting anything nefarious, I'm simply curious regarding who discovered the broken key and who removed the lock? Maybe we shouldn't assume it was an embedded lock... maybe it was a padlock or other external lock attached to a door, and not necessarily an outside-facing door, maybe a basement door?
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