Found Deceased MO - Toni Anderson, 20, North Kansas City, 15 Jan 2017 #2

[AZCHARGED]

I know everyone keeps saying that absolutely nobody was in the car. However, do we know that definitively? Someone could have been in the floorboard of the backseat and the cop could have easily missed that. I mean, normally it would sound farfetched, but we have a missing girl here whose GPS was disabled at the point of where she was last seen.

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Highly unlikely. LE are trained to look in the back seat.

 

[Deleted member 155000]

I hope all of you plan to keep checking back here and thinking through things if/when more information comes out.

In the meantime, if any of you are interested, another WS member and I have been trying to put some fresh eyes on this somewhat unique 10 year old case. There wasn't a timeline for it anywhere on WS so I had to do some research to pull it together. You can find that here: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...lumbus-1-April-2006-2&p=13089204#post13089204

I'd love to get some of your ideas.

 

[drjones]

I know someone mentioned how they aren't that worried or something? Meaning not making it a big missing case and assuming she's fine. But I can't remember the sources.


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i have not seen any comment like that, or anything saying they dont suspect foul play.

 

[HelpingHeart]

i have not seen any comment like that, or anything saying they dont suspect foul play.

I think police thought she left on her own free will. Can someone back up they've heard that too?


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[HelpingHeart]

I think police thought she left on her own free will. Can someone back up they've heard that too?


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Found something - Police told KWCH-TV that there are no signs of foul play at this point, “meaning there is no active search.” But investigators have been following leads, tracking down evidence and interviewing family members, friends and her boyfriend, according to reports.


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[tinytena]

is it possible, that she never was actually going to the QT ON BURLINGTON. but the officer saw a dark tinted car at 4 something in the morning and decided to follow it. when she noticed him/her following, said to herself at the last the minute "hey i'll pull into the gas station so it looks like this is where i'm really going". and being like most people, did'nt use her turn signal to change lanes, thus the reson for the officer to pull her over. the only reason this came to my mind is that i sat on a jury trial for drug charges where this vary same scenario happened. only, in my case, the guys car was searched and cocaine was found. i think her true destination was farther north up that road. maybe thats why she chose to exit QT out the back way, rather than the main drag(cop still there), she's still trying to get to her northern destination. based on where we're being told she was "supposed" to be going, none of this makes any sense. if you leave chrome and where going to the other QT or shady lady or home or needed gas, she drove well past all of these and over the river to get north. NOT BY ACCIDENT she was headed somewhere north of where she was last seen

 

[Deleted member 155000]

is it possible, that she never was actually going to the QT ON BURLINGTON. but the officer saw a dark tinted car at 4 something in the morning and decided to follow it. when she noticed him/her following, said to herself at the last the minute "hey i'll pull into the gas station so it looks like this is where i'm really going". and being like most people, did'nt use her turn signal to change lanes, thus the reson for the officer to pull her over. the only reason this came to my mind is that i sat on a jury trial for drug charges where this vary same scenario happened. only, in my case, the guys car was searched and cocaine was found. i think her true destination was farther north up that road. maybe thats why she chose to exit QT out the back way, rather than the main drag(cop still there), she's still trying to get to her northern destination. based on where we're being told she was "supposed" to be going, none of this makes any sense. if you leave chrome and where going to the other QT or shady lady or home or needed gas, she drove well past all of these and over the river to get north. NOT BY ACCIDENT she was headed somewhere north of where she was last seen

I wondered this too. Even if all I was doing was maybe speeding a little, I might decide to make a stop if I thought a police officer was following me and I didn't want to get a ticket.

One article I read included this:

Kansas City police say it seems unusual and out of the way for Toni to be in northwest Kansas City, which is five miles north of where she lives.

"Our only assumption is that that was the closest (gas station) that she knew and went there to get gas for her car," Toni's father, Brian Anderson says.

Source: http://www.kwch.com/content/news/KC-police-search-for-missing-Wichita-woman-411018955.html

 

[HelpingHeart]

I wondered this too. Even if all I was doing was maybe speeding a little, I might decide to make a stop if I thought a police officer was following me and I didn't want to get a ticket.

One article I read included this:

Kansas City police say it seems unusual and out of the way for Toni to be in northwest Kansas City, which is five miles north of where she lives.

"Our only assumption is that that was the closest (gas station) that she knew and went there to get gas for her car," Toni's father, Brian Anderson says.

Source: http://www.kwch.com/content/news/KC-police-search-for-missing-Wichita-woman-411018955.html

Does anyone mind posting what her route would be from Chrome to Shady Lady? Sorry if already posted, too lazy to check ha ha.


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[perfectingpink]

Does anyone mind posting what her route would be from Chrome to Shady Lady? Sorry if already posted, too lazy to check ha ha.


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https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Sha...ea772529c9b030!2m2!1d-94.4962013!2d39.0667524

Skib's Case Map:

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewe...&ll=39.05770139819456,-94.84393669999997&z=10

 

[drjones]

Found something - Police told KWCH-TV that there are no signs of foul play at this point, “meaning there is no active search.” But investigators have been following leads, tracking down evidence and interviewing family members, friends and her boyfriend, according to reports.


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the police are usually precise when making statements like that, so "no sign of foul play at this time" means just that, it does not mean that they do not suspect foul play, and it does not mean that they have evidence or suspect that she left voluntarily.

 

[JW1893]

I just started following this case and finished reading everything...here's my theory/thoughts...

I believe she probably did stop at the Shady Lady after she left work. I think she and some friends, probably the ones she was going to meet up with, were into drugs (using or selling). She gets their money and leaves to buy the drugs so they can party (or picks up from them to sell elsewhere, like the QT, for extra cash). They make plans to meet up after, and then she doesn't show--perhaps there weren't a ton of phone calls and texts even when she doesn't show because she does this often--it's hard to know without knowing her habits. I don't think the wikihow article on how to disappear is relevant--I look up random things like that all the time and fall into a dark rabbit hole of weirdness online when I can't sleep or am feeling down. I think she got pulled over, and was possibly nervous about the stop (especially if she had drugs on her that she was in process of delivering) and made up an excuse about getting gas, so the cop followed her to make sure she made it safely (cops do that sort of thing where I'm from). Worried the cops were on to her, or possibly just paranoid because she'd been busted before, she unplugged the GPS--possibly not realizing how it worked and what it tracked. She gets gas, or pretends to, and one of two things happened afterwards. One--the cop was not the good guy and he pulled her over again once away from the gas station (re: the 'OMG I got pulled over again' text) and was met with foul play then. Two--She proceeded to her drug deal and was met with foul play then. This would explain why she was going north when she was supposed to be staying further south--she had plans with drugs that no one wants to talk about. This would also explain why the insurance gadget was disabled. I'd be interested to see where her phone pinged later and the dashboard cam footage from the stop and afterwards.

I don't think the news would still be running stories and the family would be trying to organize searches and raise money if the police knew she was safe somewhere or gone on her own accord (I think there would have been a press release, or even them talking to her family and telling them what they think happened and why). I think they aren't searching because they know what happened to her and are trying to prove it. I can see them being really tight-lipped if they're investigating a fellow officer or, if like some said, she was a CI who they realize met with a terrible fate.

Depending on her call records, she could have been planning to do a drug deal at the first QT, but because of some reason (cops near there?) she couldn't, so they were going to meet at a different one. When she was pulled over, she had to make an excuse and used the 'low gas' excuse. Then she left and circled back around after the coast was clear to meet whoever she was meeting and they disabled the gps--not a stretch to think someone involved in illegal activities would know to check for devices.

 

[HelpingHeart]

Where does everyone get the info regarding she was going to a specific QT?


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[HelpingHeart]

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Sha...ea772529c9b030!2m2!1d-94.4962013!2d39.0667524

Skib's Case Map:

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewe...&ll=39.05770139819456,-94.84393669999997&z=10

Thanks! We're the purple markings, where her phone pinged?


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[allmybecsloveme]

Highly unlikely. LE are trained to look in the back seat.

I'm aware of that. But a quick look could miss something. As I said, farfetched, but the facts we have now don't add up.

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[perfectingpink]

Thanks! We're the purple markings, where her phone pinged?


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No, just T-mobile cell phone towers.

 

[AceDetective]

is it possible, that she never was actually going to the QT ON BURLINGTON. but the officer saw a dark tinted car at 4 something in the morning and decided to follow it. when she noticed him/her following, said to herself at the last the minute "hey i'll pull into the gas station so it looks like this is where i'm really going". and being like most people, did'nt use her turn signal to change lanes, thus the reson for the officer to pull her over. the only reason this came to my mind is that i sat on a jury trial for drug charges where this vary same scenario happened. only, in my case, the guys car was searched and cocaine was found. i think her true destination was farther north up that road. maybe thats why she chose to exit QT out the back way, rather than the main drag(cop still there), she's still trying to get to her northern destination. based on where we're being told she was "supposed" to be going, none of this makes any sense. if you leave chrome and where going to the other QT or shady lady or home or needed gas, she drove well past all of these and over the river to get north. NOT BY ACCIDENT she was headed somewhere north of where she was last seen

She was pulled over before she got to the QT.

I agree, though, it does seem as if she was headed north. However, there are two freeways nearby that would be far better suited if you were heading north. The question then becomes: was there nowhere on her route that would have been a more convenient place to get gas? Either she ended up in this area (near the QT) because she really did need gas, or she was near her destination.

 

[HelpingHeart]

No, just T-mobile cell phone towers.

And where she was pulled over was in between the destinations or further south in opposite direction of Chrome?


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[perfectingpink]

And where she was pulled over was in between the destinations or further south in opposite direction of Chrome?


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You might be trusting the wrong person here but I will give it my best. Where she was pulled over was East and North of Chrome. Skibs has it marked with a police car icon.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewe...&ll=39.05770139819456,-94.84393669999997&z=10

 

[Spbtlkina]

Sorry to be so irritable, but am I the only person who thinks this thread could be cut in half if people would stop reposting the same thing over and over again? This isn't necessarily restricted to this thread either - the amount of dead horses you have to wade through on most threads is irritating.

 

[AZCHARGED]

I just started following this case and finished reading everything...here's my theory/thoughts...

I believe she probably did stop at the Shady Lady after she left work. I think she and some friends, probably the ones she was going to meet up with, were into drugs (using or selling). She gets their money and leaves to buy the drugs so they can party (or picks up from them to sell elsewhere, like the QT, for extra cash). They make plans to meet up after, and then she doesn't show--perhaps there weren't a ton of phone calls and texts even when she doesn't show because she does this often--it's hard to know without knowing her habits. I don't think the wikihow article on how to disappear is relevant--I look up random things like that all the time and fall into a dark rabbit hole of weirdness online when I can't sleep or am feeling down. I think she got pulled over, and was possibly nervous about the stop (especially if she had drugs on her that she was in process of delivering) and made up an excuse about getting gas, so the cop followed her to make sure she made it safely (cops do that sort of thing where I'm from). Worried the cops were on to her, or possibly just paranoid because she'd been busted before, she unplugged the GPS--possibly not realizing how it worked and what it tracked. She gets gas, or pretends to, and one of two things happened afterwards. One--the cop was not the good guy and he pulled her over again once away from the gas station (re: the 'OMG I got pulled over again' text) and was met with foul play then. Two--She proceeded to her drug deal and was met with foul play then. This would explain why she was going north when she was supposed to be staying further south--she had plans with drugs that no one wants to talk about. This would also explain why the insurance gadget was disabled. I'd be interested to see where her phone pinged later and the dashboard cam footage from the stop and afterwards.

I don't think the news would still be running stories and the family would be trying to organize searches and raise money if the police knew she was safe somewhere or gone on her own accord (I think there would have been a press release, or even them talking to her family and telling them what they think happened and why). I think they aren't searching because they know what happened to her and are trying to prove it. I can see them being really tight-lipped if they're investigating a fellow officer or, if like some said, she was a CI who they realize met with a terrible fate.

Depending on her call records, she could have been planning to do a drug deal at the first QT, but because of some reason (cops near there?) she couldn't, so they were going to meet at a different one. When she was pulled over, she had to make an excuse and used the 'low gas' excuse. Then she left and circled back around after the coast was clear to meet whoever she was meeting and they disabled the gps--not a stretch to think someone involved in illegal activities would know to check for devices.

I am so hoping you are wrong, but am fearing you may be close to correct.