Found Deceased MO - Toni Anderson, 20, North Kansas City, 15 Jan 2017 #4

[heartgoesout]

The statement analysis is concerning too.
Bad cop? Bad mom? Bad friend? Bad Toni? CI? Which one is it?

 

[misslu]

In genreal I trust police but am not naive enough to think there are not bad cops out there. I'm tossing around the idea that if this area is so high in trafficking it could be because bad cops are involved. I hate to say that. But
"OMG just just pulled over again" is really not sitting well tonight.

Just want to say thank you! for quoting her text correctly. I've seen people (not here) even use "omg I'm getting pulled over again" and it makes me bonkers.

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[BunnyHop]

Was this posted?

The mother of a missing strip club hostess, 20, who vanished without a trace last month, fears her daughter is the victim of human trafficking.
Toni Anderson, 20, was last seen in the early hours of January 15 at a QuikTrip gas station over on 9-Highway, in Kansas City. Moments later, she disappeared, her car GPS failed and her cellphone 'went dark'.
Her mom Liz Anderson, who says the family are desperate for answers about their daughter, is convinced Toni was kidnapped and sold into the human sex trafficking trade.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4249184/Mom-missing-strip-club-hostess-fears-trafficked.html

 

[MrX]

In regards to the way Liz talks - I'm glad someone brought this up. There was a quote from the first week, or so, (KWCH12 is where I got this) where she says ""This has just been a horrible nightmare," Toni's mother, Elizabeth Anderson says. "And I don't like any parent going through this. It's just horrifying. Please help us find her."

The line about "any parent" always stuck me as so distant and disconnected.

 

[JC40]

In regards to the way Liz talks - I'm glad someone brought this up. There was a quote from the first week, or so, (KWCH12 is where I got this) where she says ""This has just been a horrible nightmare," Toni's mother, Elizabeth Anderson says. "And I don't like any parent going through this. It's just horrifying. Please help us find her."

The line about "any parent" always stuck me as so distant and disconnected.

Hi

"And I don't like any parent going through this"

This concerns me. Her daughter is missing. She is bringing others into the equation. It should be all about Toni NO-ONE else.

Put yourself in her shoes (empathy) would you give jack ***** about what any other parents are feeling?
This is her flesh and blood. There is no stronger maternal bond than a Mother and baby.
I'm wondering if their (Toni and Mother) relationship was a happy one. I would also like to hear more from the Father

 

[MaxManning]

I have an extremely hard time believing that the mother is involved at all in her disappearance.

Only scenario I could believe is that she knew Toni was in great danger and helped her disappear. If that was the case, then she would know that Toni is safe, but the very goal was to keep her safe from that danger.

In that case all the past tense would also make sense. Because her new life is the present.

But even in regards to past tense usage, I think people push it too far sometimes. Usage of past tense has to do with a lot of factors, such as what the odds are. A depressed person, might just think the sky is falling on day 1. I do get the sense that the mother seems to care more about what is happening to her, rather than what is happening to Toni.

Which would be her playing her part of the distraught mother and not being aware of how someone might analyze what she says.

I personally don't think the mother is involved. I do think that she knows more via LE or just knowing more detail on Toni's illegal activity in the past, and if she doesn't she's conflicted because she understands the odds... just like we do. Plus, she's got people analyzing what she does, and I can understand how that could create anxiety.

I personally don't think that all people react the same way, so expecting what they say to fit what we personally expect, is not reliable.

 

[JC40]

I have an extremely hard time believing that the mother is involved at all in her disappearance.

Only scenario I could believe is that she knew Toni was in great danger and helped her disappear. If that was the case, then she would know that Toni is safe, but the very goal was to keep her safe from that danger.

In that case all the past tense would also make sense. Because her new life is the present.

But even in regards to past tense usage, I think people push it too far sometimes. Usage of past tense has to do with a lot of factors, such as what the odds are. A depressed person, might just think the sky is falling on day 1. I do get the sense that the mother seems to care more about what is happening to her, rather than what is happening to Toni.

Which would be her playing her part of the distraught mother and not being aware of how someone might analyze what she says.

I personally don't think the mother is involved. I do think that she knows more via LE or just knowing more detail on Toni's illegal activity in the past, and if she doesn't she's conflicted because she understands the odds... just like we do. Plus, she's got people analyzing what she does, and I can understand how that could create anxiety.

I personally don't think that all people react the same way, so expecting what they say to fit what we personally expect, is not reliable.

Hi

I don't believe her Mother is involved. There is a reason for the language (past tense) she is using. As i said previously, why?
And to add to my previous post above. Does anyone know what their relationship was like?

 

[BaileyC]

In the interview Liz Anderson didn't say why she thought it was human trafficking. She is still avoiding saying that Toni was a stripper or a mention of her two online profiles showing sex for money type work. It seems Toni's sex work would definitely play into her disappearance being because of Human Trafficking/Sex Trafficking. Also she didn't say the FBI is investigating and that's who would investigate Human Trafficking. Sure would like to know if the FBI thinks this is Human Trafficking. Wonder what it takes for them to investigate a case as Human Trafficking?
I'm saying sex work to describe all three of the way's she had made money but probably is a better way to describe it. Can't think of the right words.

 

[MaxManning]

Hi

I don't believe her Mother is involved. There is a reason for the language (past tense) she is using. As i said previously, why?
And to add to my previous post above. Does anyone know what their relationship was like?

I know most don't believe the mother is involved(nor do I), I was just pointing out the only scenario I could see where she was and would explain/answer your question of "why?".

What I said here :

But even in regards to past tense usage, I think people push it too far sometimes. Usage of past tense has to do with a lot of factors, such as what the odds are. A depressed person, might just think the sky is falling on day 1. I do get the sense that the mother seems to care more about what is happening to her, rather than what is happening to Toni.

Is also in regards to your question of "why?". I might be the only one, but personally she strikes me as a depressed person, which is why I chose that example. The only reason I have for believing she is depressed is because of her language that points back to her struggles, which is common with depressed people.

I could be completely wrong, but that's just a few examples of "why?" someone might talk this way.

 

[BaileyC]

Hi

I don't believe her Mother is involved. There is a reason for the language (past tense) she is using. As i said previously, why?
And to add to my previous post above. Does anyone know what their relationship was like?

As far as the Mother daughter relationship, the Mother has said they were close and talked daily or almost daily.
I've heard the Mother did not know about Toni being a stripper etc. The parents do not use the computer and guess nobody that had read Toni's twitter etc. clued them in on how Toni was making her money. That's hard for me to believe but that's what has been said. If the Mother just found out about Toni's work, I would imagine it has been very difficult for her emotionally along with her daughter being missing. I'm hearing the parents are strict when it comes to morals and I also don't know if the parents knew the boyfriend or even that she was living with a man.

 

[reasonableguess]

As far as the Mother daughter relationship, the Mother has said they were close and talked daily or almost daily.
I've heard the Mother did not know about Toni being a stripper etc. The parents do not use the computer and guess nobody that had read Toni's twitter etc. clued them in on how Toni was making her money. That's hard for me to believe but that's what has been said. If the Mother just found out about Toni's work, I would imagine it has been very difficult for her emotionally along with her daughter being missing. I'm hearing the parents are strict when it comes to morals and I also don't know if the parents knew the boyfriend or even that she was living with a man.

Parental denial in general can be huge. Even after she was arrested for dealing drugs, my aunt refused to believe that my cousin had ever seen a drug, let alone taken or sold them. 20 years of drug-addicted cousin later, my aunt still denies it.


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[AceDetective]

The article also confirmed that Toni's parents have split up and sold the family home, which was revealed by Pete a while ago. What is new information is that the sale was recent. "...the Andersons sold their home here in January, though she has no immediate plans to leave Wichita." I looked it up, and their house sold on January 4, 2017. So here we have yet another coincidence: just 11 days before Toni went missing, her parents sold the family home. The home was for sale for a long time, though, it was listed for sale on Feb 21, 2016.

According to zillow.com, the previous sale of the home was in 2001, so this was apparently Toni's childhood home.

It leads me back to considering the possibility that Toni might have run away voluntarily. Her parents, as a unit, were gone. Her childhood home, gone.

I agree with her Mom that it seems unthinkable, because Toni seemed to have exactly the life she wanted.

Toni had wanted to move to an apartment in Kansas City for a long time. She finally got there, and had been living in Kansas City for over a year already. But what if it wasn't as great as she thought it would be?

She was starting school in a few days, which was a stated goal of hers, but she also expressed serious misgivings.

The thing is, though, would she really just let everybody look for her for 38 days? Her BFFs and her parents? That seems even more unthinkable. Which, of course, points to the other kind of running away, the kind that nobody likes to mention. But then where is her car?

There are a lot of red flags, or 'coincidences' here:
- Parents just split.
- Probably had not so great of a Christmas 3 weeks ago because of parents splitting.
- Childhood home just sold.
- Possibly bad night at Chrome due to projected ice storm.
- Might have been unhappy to learn management was bringing in 5 new dancers for next night.
- Starting school in just 2 days.
- Contact with police.
- Disabled tracking device.
- Possible phone last ping near boat ramps.

Here's a somewhat pertinent story from just a few days ago. This woman drove into the river and hasn't been seen since.
Family says woman drove into Mississippi River to attempt suicide

It should be noted, however, that the Mississippi River is far larger than the Missouri River.

I don't know. I still think foul play is more likely. But you just never know.

 

[MrX]

I found her last FB posts to be pretty positive. She obviously really loved the music/festival scene and writing about it - I just don't see her working until 4AM, texting her friend about the traffic stop, getting gas and then driving into the river because she had a bad Christmas.

What about an "intervention" sponsored by her parents? I know a young lady that was living a life more dangerous than Toni's - let's call her Jen (not her real name). Her Mother reached the point where it was either "go away and get help or you can live on the street." Jen's Mother's boyfriend selected a facility for Jen to check into. He told Jen's Mother that is was like "Betty Ford" - basically a health spa. Turns out the place was in the middle of the woods in rural Michigan and run by a religious cult. Needless to say, there was no "spa." During one escape attempt Jen was chased through the woods, in her underwear, by guards on ATVs. Once she finally escaped for good, her life on the run was like something from a horror movie. Jen's case had a happy ending (so far) as she had a child while on the run which totally changed her life - she has a job, a nice place to live, nice friends and is reunited with her Mother.

So, could Toni's "new life" have been such a crisis for her parents that they sold everything and took drastic measures to turn her around? Sounds crazy, but I'm constantly amazed at what I hear these days. Yes, I agree that lying to the police would put then in serious trouble, going forward, but maybe they really are doing what they think is best for Toni.

Otherwise it's almost like Michelle Parker - how does someone just "vanish" from a populated city?

 

[BaileyC]

Parental denial in general can be huge. Even after she was arrested for dealing drugs, my aunt refused to believe that my cousin had ever seen a drug, let alone taken or sold them. 20 years of drug-addicted cousin later, my aunt still denies it.


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In the beginning of this case Toni and Pete's friends were trying to keep the fact Toni was a dancer quiet. Now it's out there but I hadn't thought that the Mom may be in denial, very possible. Why Human Trafficking, I figured the Mom must be thinking Human Trafficking because of where Toni worked. If this is the case she must accept what Toni was doing for money. Ever since Toni's dancing was verified the donations to the has almost stopped. I really think what she was doing for a living has hurt the search for her and also the . Hardly anyone shows up for her searches or to pass out fliers. Supposedly she had tons of friends, where are they?

 

[AceDetective]

It's not about one bad Christmas. It's about not living the life you want to live. It's about wanting happiness and not finding it.

Yes, Toni seemed happy about a lot of things, but that often doesn't tell the whole story. 10% of cases come with no warning.

Toni loved her parents a lot and wanted very badly for them to be proud of her, but felt that would never happen. She alludes to this many times on her twitter.

Drugs and music festivals are escapism.

 

[BaileyC]

The article also confirmed that Toni's parents have split up and sold the family home, which was revealed by Pete a while ago. What is new information is that the sale was recent. "...the Andersons sold their home here in January, though she has no immediate plans to leave Wichita." I looked it up, and their house sold on January 4, 2017. So here we have yet another coincidence: just 11 days before Toni went missing, her parents sold the family home. The home was for sale for a long time, though, it was listed for sale on Feb 21, 2016.

According to zillow.com, the previous sale of the home was in 2001, so this was apparently Toni's childhood home.

It leads me back to considering the possibility that Toni might have run away voluntarily. Her parents, as a unit, were gone. Her childhood home, gone.

I agree with her Mom that it seems unthinkable, because Toni seemed to have exactly the life she wanted.

Toni had wanted to move to an apartment in Kansas City for a long time. She finally got there, and had been living in Kansas City for over a year already. But what if it wasn't as great as she thought it would be?

She was starting school in a few days, which was a stated goal of hers, but she also expressed serious misgivings.

The thing is, though, would she really just let everybody look for her for 38 days? Her BFFs and her parents? That seems even more unthinkable. Which, of course, points to the other kind of running away, the kind that nobody likes to mention. But then where is her car?

There are a lot of red flags, or 'coincidences' here:
- Parents just split.
- Probably had not so great of a Christmas 3 weeks ago because of parents splitting.
- Childhood home just sold.
- Possibly bad night at Chrome due to projected ice storm.
- Might have been unhappy to learn management was bringing in 5 new dancers for next night.
- Starting school in just 2 days.
- Contact with police.
- Disabled tracking device.
- Possible phone last ping near boat ramps.

Here's a somewhat pertinent story from just a few days ago. This woman drove into the river and hasn't been seen since.
Family says woman drove into Mississippi River to attempt suicide

It should be noted, however, that the Mississippi River is far larger than the Missouri River.

I don't know. I still think foul play is more likely. But you just never know.

You could add to that list, hiding her lifestyle from parents. Just two days ago I thought about all you have said and more, made the decision she had ran away. Thought she planned it, saved the money and had extra clothes etc. in the trunk of her car. Her friends keep saying how happy she was with her job. She loved to dance, loved being in KC, was very happy. I find it hard to believe Toni loved being a stripper, cam girl and possibly prostitute. Also I have questions about her drug use and if she had an addiction problem. I also considered someone helping her with leaving and she ditched her car for another car.

I had forgotten about the GPS not tracking, wonder if that just went out and she didn't cause it to go out? It seems her heading to North Kansas City and then her phone pinging in Parkville is not understood by her boyfriend or friends. Nobody seems to know why she would go that direction. She had been sick the week before she went missing. I read it on her Twitter, I also read the manager of Chrome had been sick. The flu must have been going around Chrome. Wouldn't think she would have been out driving around after dancing, would think she would have gone home, probably really worn out after dancing that evening.


I'm lost once again on what has happened toToni.

 

[AceDetective]

Yeah, she spoke quite a bit about how much she liked dancing. But perhaps she got tired of it. I've had jobs before that I loved at first and hated 6 months in. The problem, invariably, is other people. I've read that the stripping world can be brutally competitive.

Here's a tweet from shortly after she started.

[video=twitter;677212964844404736]https://twitter.com/Tonianderson2/status/677212964844404736[/video]

 

[MrX]

It's not about one bad Christmas. It's about not living the life you want to live. It's about wanting happiness and not finding it.

Yes, Toni seemed happy about a lot of things, but that often doesn't tell the whole story. 10% of cases come with no warning.

Toni loved her parents a lot and wanted very badly for them to be proud of her, but felt that would never happen. She alludes to this many times on her twitter.

Drugs and music festivals are escapism.

I simply don't believe that an active social media aficionado of Toni's generation could commit suicide with making it a huge production - "LOOK AT MEEEEEE!!!!!" If she blamed someone, she would stick it to them with her final thoughts - anything else she wouldn't want them to worry. I put suicide at 0% in this case.

My top three are still:
1) Vanished with the help of her new employer(s)
2) Some kind of parental intervention
3) Murdered by someone she knew

A random killing just seems like too much of a coincidence, and too hard to conceal this long.

 

[Tssiemer]

I have an extremely hard time believing that the mother is involved at all in her disappearance.

Only scenario I could believe is that she knew Toni was in great danger and helped her disappear. If that was the case, then she would know that Toni is safe, but the very goal was to keep her safe from that danger.

In that case all the past tense would also make sense. Because her new life is the present.

But even in regards to past tense usage, I think people push it too far sometimes. Usage of past tense has to do with a lot of factors, such as what the odds are. A depressed person, might just think the sky is falling on day 1. I do get the sense that the mother seems to care more about what is happening to her, rather than what is happening to Toni.

Which would be her playing her part of the distraught mother and not being aware of how someone might analyze what she says.

I personally don't think the mother is involved. I do think that she knows more via LE or just knowing more detail on Toni's illegal activity in the past, and if she doesn't she's conflicted because she understands the odds... just like we do. Plus, she's got people analyzing what she does, and I can understand how that could create anxiety.

I personally don't think that all people react the same way, so expecting what they say to fit what we personally expect, is not reliable.

I just finished a book similar to this theory.


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[kstephens98]

Simply put, my opinion is that Toni wants money quick and doesn't want to go the traditional route to get it. Too much time and work. She doesn't seem to attached to BF. Mom thinks she was forced into sex trafficking and LE says no indication of foul play. I think she's chosen to go into sex trafficking business with the help of someone she works with or closely associated with her employers at Chrome. Sad, but better than dead or captive. JMO.

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