Found Deceased MO - Toni Anderson, 20, North Kansas City, 15 Jan 2017 #4

[MzOpinion8d]

And they still believe that ? Shocking ! May be they just choose to see what they want to see

I mean, technically she was serving up something, it just wasn't drinks...

 

[AceDetective]

Chrome is a non-nude club. It is a "bikini bar." Missouri law. So I would agree she wasn't stripping. At that club, anyway. They likely haven't heard about the other club...

 

[heartgoesout]

Fair enough with the early morning time. You guys are right, shadiness has no curfew.

 

[heartgoesout]

So why not release the dash cam and the QT video if they think this was an accident?
I was compliant before with them not releasing it as to not hurt the investigation, but now I see now reason not to release it and think it looks shady that they refuse.

 

[JC40]

http://fox13now.com/2017/01/17/missing-kansas-city-womans-last-text-omg-just-pulled-over-again/




"I was asleep at the time um..she was, she was getting off work it was just like any other night, you know, i just thought she'd come home. She had left work at 4 at 4:11 and she was adamant about going to a gas station."


A few questions before i add my thoughts.


Is he answering a question(s)?
Is he speaking, using his own words, Free editing stage, and not entering, or using the language of another? (parroting back)


For example


Were you asleep at the time she went missing/left work?


"I was asleep at the time um.."


This is entering the language of the interviewer, and not choosing his own words. Deceptive people of answer this way because it's easier, they don't have to think on their feet, thus aleviating the stress lying cause's.


"I was asleep at the time um.."


So if these are his own words, we should note the order in which he speaks. Order often shows priority, and his priority is to tell us he "was asleep" Unless he was asked, why does he have to tell this needless information, that is, if he is alibi building.


Along with this keeps, (for me) the BF the top of my list.


Sanchez says others are questioning whether her working as a server at an adult night club played a role in her disappearance.


Bottom line. It's a person,it's someones daughter. It's my girlfriend . I just want to find out what happened . i want a conclusion to everything.


This is not expected, he reduces her to an "it". He uses the possessive pronoun "my" which is good., but prefixes with "it's". This extreme distancing language something we don't expect a BF to say.
Better still would be to use the pronoun "she". Even better would be to use her name.
The question is why is he distancing himself from her.
Were they involved in shady dealings and it went pear shaped.? Or is it more nefarious?




http://www.kmbc.com/article/boyfrie...t-using-social-media-to-bringtonihome/8613882

 

[AceDetective]

There are a couple of statements in that article that are open to interpretation. For example:

"For some reason, Anderson remained at QuikTrip until 4:49 a.m. and then drove north to parts unknown, Caldwell said."

What the heck does that mean? "parts unknown" is not Parkville, is it? So do they know she went north after Parkville? That's kind of how it reads to me.

Once you know her rough movements via her cell tower data, you would ask to see surveillance video from places on main routes. Were they able to determine which direction she went in?

I think the last ping was probably in Parkville. So they must be thinking the reason her phone stopped pinging is that she went off the road in an area without coverage. Is that a reasonable scenario? It seems preposterous, frankly. She somehow drove miles away without her cell phone switching towers, and then just happened to crash where her cell had no coverage? Entirely possible, I guess, but it just doesn't seem likely.

One question I would like to know the answer to is whether or not it was normal for her to remove her insurance tracking device. If she has never done that before, then it points to her voluntarily going missing. If she has done it before, for certain reasons, (eg., as a precaution against LE, wanted to trick insurance in some way, or didn't want some certain person to know where she went) then it points more toward foul play.


Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article136092253.html

 

[AceDetective]

Fair enough with the early morning time. You guys are right, shadiness has no curfew.

Yeah, it's difficult for me to imagine, but Kansas City is obviously quite different from what I'm used to, and also things have changed quite a bit since the days I used to go clubbing, I guess.

I still don't consider her going on a date at 5 AM to be a viable theory. But whatever... could be wrong....

 

[MaxManning]

I don't think anyone is suggesting she was going out on a date in the traditional sense of the word.

One reason I believe KC airport hotels might also be a potential target is that they are also a hotbed for prostitution, because of their proximity to the airport. I am not going to post the link to a page that I searched for just now to make a point, because it likely goes against some rule here, but it lists escorts in KC. Now, some of the escorts have little plane icons on them, which means? yep, they work near the airport.

Again, I have two buddies who are bellmen. They both say it's a common practice for escorts to show up and rent a room in the evening and they might see 4-5 people visit during that night all the way up until the next day. What does this mean?

It means that sometimes these women rent a room for say $300 and then their intention is to make thousands of dollars using that room. They also said it's not uncommon for different girls to come into the room at different times, ie room sharing. So it's like working shifts or scheduling an appointment. These guys don't work in KC hotels, but I hardly think the concept is unique imo.

Then you have drugs which often go hand in hand with other illegal activities. Drug dealers are available in these hotspots, because.... yes, they want to make money. Are they going to make the most money hanging out in some lazy area of KC where everything is closed at 5am? or... are they gonna have a better shot a few blocks/miles from a hotel near the airport? Or... near a 24 hour casino/hotel. or near a 24 hour convenient store (QT)


I don't know that prostitution or drugs was a factor with Toni that night, but I think it'd be an incredible show of incompetency to not acknowledge it and consider that seriously. It's quite viable imo.

If law enforcement has decided that wasn't a viable theory, that might just explain why they don't have any leads, imo

I think it's obvious she was going somewhere, and I'm going to say that it's more likely than not related to making money or getting something she wanted badly.

What I don't think is viable is that she just headed off NW of that QT to simply go to a bank at 5am. I don't even buy that she went to that QT for gas. There's more to the story and it's quite viable imo that it involved illegal activity of some sort.

I don't rule out an accident if she went North or NW from parkville. But I think it's possible she was lured there. If so, it wasn't a phone call or a text that lured her there, but a conversation with someone.

Where did the conversation take place? Shady Lady? Casino/Hotel? QT?

I don't know, but if luring was the goal, you'd not want to leave an electronic trail. In that respect, what has happened is consistent with someone luring Toni with premditation that they didn't want a record of that.

 

[Jinkasaurus]

This case is being featured on Crime Watch Daily next Wed 3/8

https://crimewatchdaily.com/

 

[n_6CC]

http://fox13now.com/2017/01/17/missing-kansas-city-womans-last-text-omg-just-pulled-over-again/




"I was asleep at the time um..she was, she was getting off work it was just like any other night, you know, i just thought she'd come home. She had left work at 4 at 4:11 and she was adamant about going to a gas station."


A few questions before i add my thoughts.


Is he answering a question(s)?
Is he speaking, using his own words, Free editing stage, and not entering, or using the language of another? (parroting back)


For example


Were you asleep at the time she went missing/left work?


"I was asleep at the time um.."


This is entering the language of the interviewer, and not choosing his own words. Deceptive people of answer this way because it's easier, they don't have to think on their feet, thus aleviating the stress lying cause's.


"I was asleep at the time um.."


So if these are his own words, we should note the order in which he speaks. Order often shows priority, and his priority is to tell us he "was asleep" Unless he was asked, why does he have to tell this needless information, that is, if he is alibi building.


Along with this keeps, (for me) the BF the top of my list.


Sanchez says others are questioning whether her working as a server at an adult night club played a role in her disappearance.


Bottom line. It's a person,it's someones daughter. It's my girlfriend . I just want to find out what happened . i want a conclusion to everything.


This is not expected, he reduces her to an "it". He uses the possessive pronoun "my" which is good., but prefixes with "it's". This extreme distancing language something we don't expect a BF to say.
Better still would be to use the pronoun "she". Even better would be to use her name.
The question is why is he distancing himself from her.
Were they involved in shady dealings and it went pear shaped.? Or is it more nefarious?




http://www.kmbc.com/article/boyfrie...t-using-social-media-to-bringtonihome/8613882

Your analysis of his comments IMO are right on- 100%. If they weren't edited, this type of answer in an interview would line up with deception. I think he knows more than we have heard, thus lining up with the fact that he hasn't been on camera or SM since the beginning of this investigation. Something has to shake loose - this story has to remain in the news or it will loose momentum even quicker than it is right now. So sad. Even the littlest price of info could make the difference.


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[BaileyC]

Chrome is a non-nude club. It is a "bikini bar." Missouri law. So I would agree she wasn't stripping. At that club, anyway. They likely haven't heard about the other club...

I did a little reading on how a stripper would be defined. I don't know if dancers at Chrome take any clothes off that they are wearing over their lingerie apparel but taking clothing off while performing would be a stripper. Exotic dancer may be a better description of what chrome dancers are doing.
The OutHouse, where Toni did more dancing than at Chrome, offer the dancer a choice of being fully clothed, partially clad or nude. It's BYOB and the dancer does not have to pay the club to perform there.
This is what is said on their website for anyone wanting to perform at their establishment.

 

[BaileyC]

Yeah, it's difficult for me to imagine, but Kansas City is obviously quite different from what I'm used to, and also things have changed quite a bit since the days I used to go clubbing, I guess.

I still don't consider her going on a date at 5 AM to be a viable theory. But whatever... could be wrong....

Why wouldn't an exotic dancer make a date for sex with a customer and meet them after work?

 

[AceDetective]

Well, there's also the ATM thing, which is up in the air right now as far as I am concerned.

If she was attempting to get cash from an ATM then there is no way she was going on a paid date. You don't grab a sandwich on your way to the smorgasbord.

It says on her twitter that her bank is Bank of the West. If you're at that QuikTrip and you want to hit a Bank of the West ATM you have 3 options. The closest one is near Parkville. It's a bit of a drive, but it is not out of the question that she went up there to get cash from her ATM. It all depends on what her options were and possibly what the associated fees might be.

 

[AceDetective]

I did a little reading on how a stripper would be defined. I don't know if dancers at Chrome take any clothes off that they are wearing over their lingerie apparel but taking clothing off while performing would be a stripper. Exotic dancer may be a better description of what chrome dancers are doing.
The OutHouse, where Toni did more dancing than at Chrome, offer the dancer a choice of being fully clothed, partially clad or nude. It's BYOB and the dancer does not have to pay the club to perform there.
This is what is said on their website for anyone wanting to perform at their establishment.

Way back on the first forum I said I wouldn't call it stripping if it were non-nude, and I'm sticking to it.

Toni did call herself a stripper, so the point is somewhat moot.

I was simply defending Ms. Anderson's choice of words. Do you really want to argue with her about whether or not her daughter fits the definition of a stripper? Some people have been trying to say she's being deceptive (not here, necessarily) or in denial. I don't see it that way.

 

[MaxManning]

Well, there's also the ATM thing, which is up in the air right now as far as I am concerned.

If she was attempting to get cash from an ATM then there is no way she was going on a paid date. You don't grab a sandwich on your way to the smorgasbord.

It says on her twitter that her bank is Bank of the West. If you're at that QuikTrip and you want to hit a Bank of the West ATM you have 3 options. The closest one is near Parkville. It's a bit of a drive, but it is not out of the question that she went up there to get cash from her ATM. It all depends on what her options were and possibly what the associated fees might be.

I'll just say that I think the ATM imo is a red herring. If you read what I said about how these hotel prostitution games get run, they purchase a room or multiple escorts share the cost of the room(s), that is their **upfront** investment before the smorgasbord you speak of. But regardless of this obvious reason, I think getting hung up on the ATM as actually being relevant to what happened, doesn't make sense to me personally. I still doubt that here primary destination was any particular ATM up north.

The idea that just because someone is an escort and therefore has no need for cash at any given time, is about the same as someone assuming that about a stripper. Strippers often pay cash to actually work.

I could be wrong, but I honestly think all this atm, getting gas, etc etc is all just details we have that people are fixating on, but it seems obvious to me that she had a reason for going up north at 5am and I highly doubt it was just to visit a bank ATM there. jmo


I still think the accident think is possible, however, I keep pointing to that GPS... If she unplugged it, she didn't do that to hide going to her bank. again... jmo

 

[BaileyC]

Well, there's also the ATM thing, which is up in the air right now as far as I am concerned.

If she was attempting to get cash from an ATM then there is no way she was going on a paid date. You don't grab a sandwich on your way to the smorgasbord.

It says on her twitter that her bank is Bank of the West. If you're at that QuikTrip and you want to hit a Bank of the West ATM you have 3 options. The closest one is near Parkville. It's a bit of a drive, but it is not out of the question that she went up there to get cash from her ATM. It all depends on what her options were and possibly what the associated fees might be.

Could be the case but the cost of books and money needed for the week may have been more than Toni would have from tips that night and a date for sex. Not all prostitution pays well. If she was prostituting with customers from Chrome, I doubt she was making all that much money for sex after work. Would just depend what kind of date it was. You would think she wouldn't bother driving far for a little money but maybe Pete and Toni were low on funds.

Lets face it and admit we don't know what happened to Toni that morning and most anything is a possibility.

I'm still going back to Pete Jr. thinking this was an abduction and not thinking she had a wreck. Why Abduction?
You would think if Pete Jr. did have a good idea of what happened LE would have already checked that out.
Do we even know LE is telling us the truth? Maybe they are baiting someone. Is this a cold case and if so why hasn't that fact been announced and video released? Also where's that PI the Anderson's were going to hire? Maybe we'll get this info on the next interview given by the Anderson's but I'm thinking it's going to be more of the same. If the Anderson's are still say Human Trafficking and the FBI isn't investigating then I would say they're guessing just with hopes Toni is still living.

 

[AceDetective]

Why wouldn't an exotic dancer make a date for sex with a customer and meet them after work?

You could just as easily ask why a bank teller wouldn't make a date for sex with a customer and meet them after work.

There are tons of reasons not to. I would think that it could cause problem customers.

From an article about stripper myths:
"... through my own experience and research, I found that the vast majority of strippers don’t work as prostitutes..."
https://www.bustle.com/articles/151418-9-myths-about-strippers-debunked-by-a-former-stripper

 

[StPauliGirlK]

After reading all of the posts to-date, I still have three questions:

1) Is there any reason to assume she attempted to use her card (whatever her bank card technically was) at an actual ATM, or has that just been assumed because it was initially generically referred to as an "ATM card"? It sounds to me like she attempted to use her card that also works for cash withdrawals/deposits at ATMs to pay for gas at the pump. Assuming that she was trying to withdraw cash or make a deposit to an ATM the night/morning she disappeared seems like it might not be accurate.

2) Did she say she was going to meet friends AT the Shady Lady or FROM the Shady Lady?

3) Did she really tell someone exactly which QT she was planning to go to, or was that location assumed, based on where they were at the time of the conversation and where she lived?

 

[BaileyC]

Way back on the first forum I said I wouldn't call it stripping if it were non-nude, and I'm sticking to it.

Toni did call herself a stripper, so the point is somewhat moot.

I was simply defending Ms. Anderson's choice of words. Do you really want to argue with her about whether or not her daughter fits the definition of a stripper? Some people have been trying to say she's being deceptive (not here, necessarily) or in denial. I don't see it that way.

Chrome advertises themselves as a strip club. lol

Mrs Anderson is avoiding saying Toni was anything but a server because of embarrassment. When the public knows you have lied then it's a big possibility they don't believe all you have to say. Not the best for her to lie about what Toni was doing for money but I do understand why she would.

 

[MaxManning]

You could just as easily ask why a bank teller wouldn't make a date for sex with a customer and meet them after work.

There are tons of reasons not to. I would think that it could cause problem customers.

From an article about stripper myths:
"... through my own experience and research, I found that the vast majority of strippers don’t work as prostitutes..."
https://www.bustle.com/articles/151418-9-myths-about-strippers-debunked-by-a-former-stripper

No one is saying that a vast majority of strippers are prostitutes. However, if we are talking about what someone is doing at 5am given what we do know about Toni -- sugar daddy etc -- it's not at all crazy to at least acknowledge it's a possibility.

Probability can be 5% and it can be reality. Probability can be 95% and not be reality.

I think most, like myself, are not convinced that she was a prostitute, however it's just simply something that shouldn't be discarded as unlikely.

I lean more towards drugs being the illegal activity, but I certainly wouldn't be surprised in the least if prostitution was in the mix that night.