Found Deceased MO - Toni Anderson, 20, North Kansas City, 15 Jan 2017 #4

[MaxManning]

Is it possible that she was actually meeting David Jolly to sell him some drugs (pot, coke, meth, etc), and that she was headed to Parkville to pick them up? This would explain why she was headed in the opposite direction & why David was waiting for her at the other QuikTrip & fell asleep in his car, because she never showed up. Maybe she knew someone who had some & was doing him a favor.

It's very possible that whomever she was meeting to pick up the drugs, had already planned to rip her off, steal her car, & possibly Toni, as well. It's the only explanation as to why she would have been headed away from her final destination. I don't know why I didn't think of it before. Maybe it was some guys she'd met at the club & she never called them, because the meeting place & time were already set... Or maybe they did communicate by phone & the police are looking into them. If so, Parkville is a pretty desolate place to be meeting at 5pm. Didn't you say on the other site that the police had said that they have suspects? 5?

What do you think, Pete?
P. S. I left the other site, too. It's Elizabeth.

Well, if this is true - not even sure parkville etc is even true at this point - It fits my theory that her destination was based on drug deal of some sort.

I theorize that it was the most likely, simply because I didn't think prostitution, stalker, human trafficking was as probable.

So, like I said before, that should lead us to ask - What was the motivation?

Drug dealers care about money. So questions to ask are -- did Toni owe them money? If so, that is a motivation for a drug dealer to do something bad. Maybe even sell her into human trafficking -- to pay her debt.

However, now we come back to what I was saying is the more probable. What motivation would a drug dealer have for making Toni disappear? ----> snitch

To me, it's still the one theory that makes all dots connect. I honestly can't see a drug dealer taking such potentially drastic steps, unless it was something that would bring harm to them and their business, and potentially put them in prison.

As I said, Toni was very capable of making money and not some strung out dope fiend in an alley. So even if she had a debt, a drug dealer is just going to apply pressure as she's able to earn money, that's clear.

Snitch also explains why LE is so tight lipped about everything. Why? Because if she isn't in danger at the moment, and then people find out she is a snitch... now she's in real danger.

 

[alicianclary]

I once said :



and was then asked :




So, I think this is confirmation of the obvious (to me).


I think many of us have said from the beginning that all this sketchiness and being vague was to hide illegal activity. So this is no surprise whatsoever.

Trail is a whole lot colder now than it was 40+ days ago.

Holding back the truth ain't gonna apply any heat to the trail. There are likely lots of people around Toni who should probably be asking themselves if speaking some truth 40+ days ago would have been the "right thing" to do.

I completely agree with you. I think it's obvious there is much more to this that is being left unsaid or finally being told in bits and pieces. It was nice to actually see a tiny bit of confirmation of this from a somewhat reliable source though.

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[SouthernFried]

And we know that Toni is the only person that could have turned off her tracking device, which was done at the QT. Same thing with the phone, it had to be turned off to block the GPS. She most likely did this, because she didn't want Peter to know where she'd been in case he checked, and he would definitely wonder why she'd been to Parkville, instead of heading straight to Shady Lady.

 

[AceDetective]

According to Pete Sanchez, father of her boyfriend, she wasn't headed to The Shady Lady but was meeting someone for drugs? Thoughts on this?

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What Pete is saying is that it is not uncommon to go to the Shady Lady after it is closed to give a worker a ride.

Toni could have said, "Good morning officer, I'm looking to get some gas and then going to the Shady Lady to pick up my friend who needs a ride."

It is unclear to me if that first comment about scoring weed is just sarcasm or what he thinks she was doing. It should by no means be taken as proof that she was up there to score weed. Sarcasm? Guess? Theory? Or does he have hard evidence? There's no way to tell from that comment.

I think it was just an example of what she might have been doing up there, frankly.

 

[alicianclary]

What Pete is saying is that it is not uncommon to go to the Shady Lady after it is closed to give a worker a ride.

Toni could have said, "Good evening officer, I'm looking to get some gas and then going to the Shady Lady to pick up my friend who needs a ride."

It is unclear to me if that first comment about scoring weed is just sarcasm or what he thinks she was doing. It should by no means be taken as proof that she was up there to score weed. Sarcasm? Guess? Theory? Or does he have hard evidence? There's no way to tell from that comment.

I think it was just an example of what she might have been doing up there, frankly.

To clarify, I wasn't trying to imply that this was exactly what happened. I noticed how a few posts were focused on The Shady Lady being her destination because of her statements. I think it could be sarcasm, but it might have a bit of truth to it as well. I'm new to this site, and just trying to be helpful... [emoji55]

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[MaxManning]

What Pete is saying is that it is not uncommon to go to the Shady Lady after it is closed to give a worker a ride.

Toni could have said, "Good evening officer, I'm looking to get some gas and then going to the Shady Lady to pick up my friend who needs a ride."

It is unclear to me if that first comment about scoring weed is just sarcasm or what he thinks she was doing. It should by no means be taken as proof that she was up there to score weed. Sarcasm? Guess? Theory? Or does he have hard evidence? There's no way to tell from that comment.

I think it was just an example of what she might have been doing up there, frankly.

fair point. I don't even know how parkville is confirmed.

But I do it's still obvious that the bf and others do know either explicitly or most likely, where she was going. Possibly even the police know explicitly or most likely.

 

[SouthernFried]

If she is a snitch, then why would she turn off her tracking device & phone, especially as she would have been dealing with some pretty risky people, & if something did go wrong, there'd be no way for anyone to find her.

I still think it makes more sense that she was hiding her extra-curricular activities from Peter. Who knows though? It's possible that she had been caught with drugs (I'm not sure if it's connected to Peter's prior situation or not) & was playing with the big boys to work off her "debt". Or maybe she got in over her head or pissed them off somehow.
All I know is that drug dealers & sex traffickers sometimes go hand in hand, and she would have brought in alot of money for them, so that is an option. Either way, she didn't want Peter to find out.

 

[SouthernFried]

The Parkville area was the last place that her phone pinged & this was released by the police. They even conducted a search there. So it seems pretty obvious to me that she headed there after leaving the QT.

But she also told co-workers that she was going to the other QT near Shady Lady to meet "friends", which turned out to be David Jolly. So it makes sense that she was bringing drugs to him that she had to pick up first.

 

[SouthernFried]

Pete Sanchez, did Peter know that Toni was meeting David Jolly at the QT? If he did, then there is no other explanation as to why she disabled the tracking device, unless she wanted to disappear without a trace or the people she was meeting asked her to do so.

 

[n_6CC]

I once said :



and was then asked :




So, I think this is confirmation of the obvious (to me).


I think many of us have said from the beginning that all this sketchiness and being vague was to hide illegal activity. So this is no surprise whatsoever.

Trail is a whole lot colder now than it was 40+ days ago.

Holding back the truth ain't gonna apply any heat to the trail. There are likely lots of people around Toni who should probably be asking themselves if speaking some truth 40+ days ago would have been the "right thing" to do.

THANK YOU. Well said MaxManning.


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[n_6CC]

The Parkville area was the last place that her phone pinged & this was released by the police. They even conducted a search there. So it seems pretty obvious to me that she headed there after leaving the QT.

But she also told co-workers that she was going to the other QT near Shady Lady to meet "friends", which turned out to be David Jolly. So it makes sense that she was bringing drugs to him that she had to pick up first.

Are you sure about meeting David Jolly? Also, could she have been getting something from him, not for him? I'm just curious, in the past I had thought it was possibly from him. Thx


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[BaileyC]

I think they meant stupid inappropriate hurtful speculation. Speculating is good!

Maybe I did take what was said the wrong way but geez they blocked some of the Anderson family out of the group for asking members not to speculate. I'm just going to read for a while, I've been going in circles and need to just read. Glad the DJ meeting is being discussed once again, sure thought that was part of why Toni is missing. I've really enjoyed this forum, have taken a look around and plan to get involved. Need to really get the hang of this though.

 

[AceDetective]

Most friends and family are going to find any speculation that paints their loved one in a negative light as hurtful.

So any theory involving drug deals, prostitution, mental health issues, etc is going to be hurtful.

Also, in this case, just talking about drug use or stripping is going to be hurtful.

It's possible Pete might take pity on us and join, but I'm sure he knows about this place already and it is not really a place he wants to be.

(And for those not aware what's going on: Pete quit the #MissingToniAnderson group due to outrageous comments by a certain KC jerk. Some are hoping he might join up over here.)

 

[KMD_KC]

Most friends and family are going to find any speculation that paints their loved one in a negative light as hurtful.

So any theory involving drug deals, prostitution, mental health issues, etc is going to be hurtful.

Also, in this case, just talking about drug use or stripping is going to be hurtful.

It's possible Pete might take pity on us and join, but I'm sure he knows about this place already and it is not really a place he wants to be.

(And for those not aware what's going on: Pete quit the #MissingToniAnderson group due to outrageous comments by a certain KC jerk.)

That "KC" guy has gone off the deep end. At first I thought he might be helpful but he's something else and I think is starting **** to get attention. I honestly think he's releasing info "tips" that he's given on SM and that's possibly jeopardizing a good lead.

 

[AceDetective]

I've reviewed that surveillance video many times, by the way, and Toni is definitely stopped at the light before the traffic stop even happens. Assuming that is, in fact, Toni. She is also in the left lane, at the least (it kinda looks like she's on the wrong side of the road, but I don't think so.) That kind of blows away the whole theory that she went down W 26 Ave so that she could turn right onto Burlington and use the Commerce Bank ATM. She's either going straight through the light (to the QuikTrip or residential area), or turning left onto Burlington (headed north). It also makes it so that we don't know that Toni pulled a u-turn. She could have come from the industrial area.

So what was she doing down there? I doubt she was lost.

Also, she left Chrome at 4:11, and the traffic stop was at 4:25, so that gives her 14 minutes to make a trip that google says takes 14 minutes. So she hadn't been in the area long. Had she already met up with someone? It sure seems like it.

direct link to video:
http://cf.c.ooyala.com/p0MnMyOTE6JV...Rg4gtDEwOmk2OjBrO6qGv_?_=4zhbpzx7cb7iy8uuwhfr

 

[Hraefn]

The Parkville area was the last place that her phone pinged & this was released by the police. They even conducted a search there. So it seems pretty obvious to me that she headed there after leaving the QT.

But she also told co-workers that she was going to the other QT near Shady Lady to meet "friends", which turned out to be David Jolly. So it makes sense that she was bringing drugs to him that she had to pick up first.

Do you have a link about the ping and the search? I've never seen confirmation that LE said the search related to Toni and I've only seen ping info come from non-LE, non-MSM sources. TIA!

 

[Hraefn]

And we know that Toni is the only person that could have turned off her tracking device, which was done at the QT. Same thing with the phone, it had to be turned off to block the GPS. She most likely did this, because she didn't want Peter to know where she'd been in case he checked, and he would definitely wonder why she'd been to Parkville, instead of heading straight to Shady Lady.

How would we know that only Toni could turn off the tracking device? Anyone could have pulled it out. LE never spoke on the device, I posted a bunch of links about this a few days ago. And as far as we've been told the phone was on after the QT stop so I'm wondering where the info that the phone was turned off comes from? We have so few facts it's difficult to follow.

 

[AceDetective]

How would we know that only Toni could turn off the tracking device? Anyone could have pulled it out. LE never spoke on the device, I posted a bunch of links about this a few days ago. And as far as we've been told the phone was on after the QT stop so I'm wondering where the info that the phone was turned off comes from? We have so few facts it's difficult to follow.

We were told that Toni was alone at the QuikTrip and left alone. Also, we were told the device stopped working while at the QuikTrip. It can only be her who disabled the device.

I don't think we've been explicitly told the phone was turned off. Only that they lost track of it at some point. I would like to hear it if there's some evidence the phone was turned off. That doesn't fit in with their accident theory at all.

 

[PokeyMeansBusiness]

I've reviewed that surveillance video many times, by the way, and Toni is definitely stopped at the light before the traffic stop even happens. Assuming that is, in fact, Toni. She is also in the left lane, at the least (it kinda looks like she's on the wrong side of the road, but I don't think so.) That kind of blows away the whole theory that she went down W 26 Ave so that she could turn right onto Burlington and use the Commerce Bank ATM. She's either going straight through the light (to the QuikTrip or residential area), or turning left onto Burlington (headed north). It also makes it so that we don't know that Toni pulled a u-turn. She could have come from the industrial area.

So what was she doing down there? I doubt she was lost.

Also, she left Chrome at 4:11, and the traffic stop was at 4:25, so that gives her 14 minutes to make a trip that google says takes 14 minutes. So she hadn't been in the area long. Had she already met up with someone? It sure seems like it.

direct link to video:
http://cf.c.ooyala.com/p0MnMyOTE6JV...Rg4gtDEwOmk2OjBrO6qGv_?_=4zhbpzx7cb7iy8uuwhfr

I can't quite tell where she is stopped before the light. The video is not clear to me.

If she was going straight to Parkville to Chrome, she probably wouldn't have taken route 9. The more rational choice, according to google maps, would have been via 169. MO9 isn't even in the top 3 route recommendations by Google Maps.

 

[AceDetective]

I can't quite tell where she is stopped before the light. The video is not clear to me.

If she was going straight to Parkville to Chrome, she probably wouldn't have taken route 9. The more rational choice, according to google maps, would have been via 169. MO9 isn't even in the top 3 route recommendations by Google Maps.

Yeah, there's a lower speed limit and a couple of lights on 9. Not a good way to go if you're just heading north.

Having spent some more time with the video, I stand by my analysis and overhead diagram posted on this page:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...son-20-North-Kansas-City-15-Jan-2017-2/page45

It's pretty close. She is definitely stopped at the light.

What is new info to me, which I never noticed before, is that in the first few seconds Toni is already at the light, and the officer is pulling up on the opposite side of the intersection. He clearly didn't follow her there off Burlington as most of us had assumed.