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[Squishified]

Squishified

I guess you can look at the hair-ties in two different way. They were on her head prior to her death or they were placed there afterwards?


Due to the staging factor I favor the latter choice, it simply appears as if someone has applied the hair-ties to make JonBenet look as if she had been in bed?

Although some might say she was and with the wrong person?


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I think JB may have had one ponytail (the top one) at the White's party. I believe the 2nd ponytail was added after death. Why?? I have NO idea.
Unless it was some sort of attempt to hide the head wound??

 

[BOESP]

Does anyone know for certain if JonBenet wore hair extensions? I've read she wore them for pageants. If so, did she wear them for special non-pageant occasions too? That might explain the lower ponytail on Christmas night. It could be that it was twisted and twirled and used as an anchor for an extension.

 

[Solace]

Does anyone know for certain if JonBenet wore hair extensions? I've read she wore them for pageants. If so, did she wear them for special non-pageant occasions too? That might explain the lower ponytail on Christmas night. It could be that it was twisted and twirled and used as an anchor for an extension.

Just to let everyone know, JMK, is posting on Jameson's website. She is charging $50 to post there. She has hit a new low.

 

[Squishified]

Just to let everyone know, JMK, is posting on Jameson's website. She is charging $50 to post there. She has hit a new low.

JMK as in John Mark Karr???

 

[JMO8778]

Why would anyone even give him the time of day???? I can't believe he got to waste as much airtime as he did.

 

[BOESP]

Why would anyone even give him the time of day???? I can't believe he got to waste as much airtime as he did.

Ditto.

I live less than 100 miles from Hickory. I thought I could smell an unfamiliar stench this morning.

 

[JMO8778]

Ditto.

I live less than 100 miles from Hickory. I thought I could smell an unfamiliar stench this morning.

I think I'll inside today, ::cough cough::

 

[coloradokares]

Just to let everyone know, JMK, is posting on Jameson's website. She is charging $50 to post there. She has hit a new low.

It is safe to say if that is so, there is no lower to go. That is rock bottom. Sickening!

 

[JMO8778]

It is safe to say if that is so, there is no lower to go. That is rock bottom. Sickening!

indeed !
Desperado...why don't you come to your senses...

 

[Toltec]

I think JB may have had one ponytail (the top one) at the White's party. I believe the 2nd ponytail was added after death. Why?? I have NO idea.
Unless it was some sort of attempt to hide the head wound??

If you look at earlier pictures of JonBenet, she wore only one ponytail and the remainder of her hair was left down.

The second ponytail was placed to get the hair out of the way when the garotte was being placed on her.

 

[UKGuy]

If you look at earlier pictures of JonBenet, she wore only one ponytail and the remainder of her hair was left down.

The second ponytail was placed to get the hair out of the way when the garotte was being placed on her.

Toltec,

Maybe, but I am not convinced. Why add another ponytail, then allow the cross and chain to become entangled and fiber transfer to happen?

Also the ponytails probably conflict with how the parents placed her into bed, as do the size-12's.

That is the parents version cannot be correct, since it conflicts with so much of the evidence.

This suggests a last minute change of plan?


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[DeeDee249]

Toltec,

Maybe, but I am not convinced. Why add another ponytail, then allow the cross and chain to become entangled and fiber transfer to happen?

Also the ponytails probably conflict with how the parents placed her into bed, as do the size-12's.

That is the parents version cannot be correct, since it conflicts with so much of the evidence.

This suggests a last minute change of plan?


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Maybe not- I also have seen pictures of JBR with a topknot ponytail. And PR did say she always put her hair in a ponytail for sleeping. When my own daughter was that age, her hair was down to her hips. (still is, at 31!) I often made a topknot and left the back long. But I always braided or made a loose ponytail for sleeping, otherwise it would tangle round her neck as she tossed and turned. There were times when I just left in both ponytails. Consider this: I am a firm RDI. And I believe PR lied about nearly every aspect of the last hours of JBR's life from the time they left the White's to the day PR died herself. BUT I am one person who honestly believes the 2 ponytails do not have anything to do with the crime. I think people are reading too much into them. It is likely PR was getting her daughter ready for bed. That part is true. PR was an inherently lazy person- her sloppiness is evidence of that. It would be very like her to put that bottom ponytail in without removing the topknot first, especially if both she and JBR were cranky and tired. I don't think it was done to keep her hair out of the way for strangulation- it didn't happen anyway, her hair was tangled in the cord. So was her gold chain. If the purpose was an unobstructed neck, why not remove the gold chain as well? And it wasn't done to keep her skull together either. The killer may not have even known about the fracture- there was no blood. Surely, they knew the blow knocked her out and probably they thought it killed her. But the ponytails, no, I have to say sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

 

[UKGuy]

Maybe not- I also have seen pictures of JBR with a topknot ponytail. And PR did say she always put her hair in a ponytail for sleeping. When my own daughter was that age, her hair was down to her hips. (still is, at 31!) I often made a topknot and left the back long. But I always braided or made a loose ponytail for sleeping, otherwise it would tangle round her neck as she tossed and turned. There were times when I just left in both ponytails. Consider this: I am a firm RDI. And I believe PR lied about nearly every aspect of the last hours of JBR's life from the time they left the White's to the day PR died herself. BUT I am one person who honestly believes the 2 ponytails do not have anything to do with the crime. I think people are reading too much into them. It is likely PR was getting her daughter ready for bed. That part is true. PR was an inherently lazy person- her sloppiness is evidence of that. It would be very like her to put that bottom ponytail in without removing the topknot first, especially if both she and JBR were cranky and tired. I don't think it was done to keep her hair out of the way for strangulation- it didn't happen anyway, her hair was tangled in the cord. So was her gold chain. If the purpose was an unobstructed neck, why not remove the gold chain as well? And it wasn't done to keep her skull together either. The killer may not have even known about the fracture- there was no blood. Surely, they knew the blow knocked her out and probably they thought it killed her. But the ponytails, no, I have to say sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

DeeDee249,
Your maybe not, is consistent with my maybe since I am suggesting staging lies behind the ponytails you are suggesting they are part of JonBenet's sleeping routine and are unexceptional e.g.

I have to say sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Your explanation is more in line with the forensic evidence e.g pineapple residue, but conflicts with the parents statements.

We have the parents claiming to have placed a sleeping JonBenet to bed, presumably minus ponytails, refer to the White's photographs. When discovered she is wearing size-12 underwear, has a couple of ponytails, and has consumed some pineapple.

So your explanation would have JonBenet ready for bed with her hair done, possibly having consumed some pineapple prior to this, but she keeps her white-gap top?

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[Toltec]

Toltec,

Maybe, but I am not convinced. Why add another ponytail, then allow the cross and chain to become entangled and fiber transfer to happen?

Also the ponytails probably conflict with how the parents placed her into bed, as do the size-12's.

That is the parents version cannot be correct, since it conflicts with so much of the evidence.

This suggests a last minute change of plan?


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When you are working under extreme duress, things such as placing the garotte perfectly are not really given a second thought.

 

[DeeDee249]

DeeDee249,
Your maybe not, is consistent with my maybe since I am suggesting staging lies behind the ponytails you are suggesting they are part of JonBenet's sleeping routine and are unexceptional e.g.

Your explanation is more in line with the forensic evidence e.g pineapple residue, but conflicts with the parents statements.

We have the parents claiming to have placed a sleeping JonBenet to bed, presumably minus ponytails, refer to the White's photographs. When discovered she is wearing size-12 underwear, has a couple of ponytails, and has consumed some pineapple.

So your explanation would have JonBenet ready for bed with her hair done, possibly having consumed some pineapple prior to this, but she keeps her white-gap top?

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Yes. This is common when getting tired kids ready for bed, and as a mom, it is something I did myself many times. Kids cotton shirts are not much different from PJ tops. So I myself have left on a shirt while putting PJ bottoms on my child. Lots of moms do this, it's not unusual.
Here's my pre-meltdown scenario for PR getting her 6-year old to bed that night. 1. arrive home from the White's, after making several stops to deliver presents. The Rs will be away for 10 days, so Christmas night deliveries are needed.
2. Everyone is tired, but PR is especially stressed, having had a busy Christmas season, with getting her house ready for the Colorado Christmas House Tour AND a big party on the 23rd. Add this to having to prepare for TWO trips beginning the day afer Christmas, one of which she didn't want to make, the stress of meeting stepdaughter Melinda's fiance for the first time, and the fact that PR was a last-minute, messy kinda person.
3. Add some alcohol and cranky kids to the mix. Arrive home, get JBR ready for bed. Though she likely fell asleep in the car, she woke up when they got home, and because of the excitement of the holiday, did not want to go to bed. She is hungry and wants to stay up because BR is staying up. So PR leaves her white Gap top on (those Gap kids shirts are soft- a child can comfortably sleep in them) puts the thermal long johns on her, and fixes JBR's hair in the ususal bedtime hairstyle of a ponytail at the nape of her neck. Because it is late and PR has a ton of things to do that night, she does not bother to remove the topknot ponytail and brush her long hair out. She simply leaves it as is and pulls the long hair into second ponytail.
4. JR and BR go to bed. By midnight, PR is still up. PR tries to get JBR to go to the bathroom so there will be no accident that night. They have a very early start that night.
5. JBR refuses to cooperate and wets the bed. PR flies into a rage and, well- fill in the rest.
This is ONE of my RDI theories. This one is a PDI. I also have a JDI and a JARDI (with BR as an accessory).

 

[IrishMist]

Yes. This is common when getting tired kids ready for bed, and as a mom, it is something I did myself many times. Kids cotton shirts are not much different from PJ tops. So I myself have left on a shirt while putting PJ bottoms on my child. Lots of moms do this, it's not unusual.
Here's my pre-meltdown scenario for PR getting her 6-year old to bed that night. 1. arrive home from the White's, after making several stops to deliver presents. The Rs will be away for 10 days, so Christmas night deliveries are needed.
2. Everyone is tired, but PR is especially stressed, having had a busy Christmas season, with getting her house ready for the Colorado Christmas House Tour AND a big party on the 23rd. Add this to having to prepare for TWO trips beginning the day afer Christmas, one of which she didn't want to make, the stress of meeting stepdaughter Melinda's fiance for the first time, and the fact that PR was a last-minute, messy kinda person.
3. Add some alcohol and cranky kids to the mix. Arrive home, get JBR ready for bed. Though she likely fell asleep in the car, she woke up when they got home, and because of the excitement of the holiday, did not want to go to bed. She is hungry and wants to stay up because BR is staying up. So PR leaves her white Gap top on (those Gap kids shirts are soft- a child can comfortably sleep in them) puts the thermal long johns on her, and fixes JBR's hair in the ususal bedtime hairstyle of a ponytail at the nape of her neck. Because it is late and PR has a ton of things to do that night, she does not bother to remove the topknot ponytail and brush her long hair out. She simply leaves it as is and pulls the long hair into second ponytail.
4. JR and BR go to bed. By midnight, PR is still up. PR tries to get JBR to go to the bathroom so there will be no accident that night. They have a very early start that night.
5. JBR refuses to cooperate and wets the bed. PR flies into a rage and, well- fill in the rest.
This is ONE of my RDI theories. This one is a PDI. I also have a JDI and a JARDI (with BR as an accessory).

You have a JAR theory?? Will you share?

When this first happened, my gut told me JAR, but then he ended up with a solid alibi. How do you get him there and back to Atlanta in time?

 

[DeeDee249]

You have a JAR theory?? Will you share?

When this first happened, my gut told me JAR, but then he ended up with a solid alibi. How do you get him there and back to Atlanta in time?

First of all, the Rs flew on private planes. No boarding passes to check. No schedules to keep. No airport delays or baggage claims. He claims to have an alibi in Atlanta- but are there PHOTOS of him having Christmas with his mom? I have never heard there were. That would put an end to this theory immediately. An ATM photo where your face isn't seen COMBINED with the fact that a neighbor who knew you for years saw you in Boulder Christmas Day COMBINED with the fact that your dad, who always took family movies Christmas Day- claims he didn't THAT day. And LE will not release R Christmas photos. All this indicates to me that he may very well have been in Boulder that day.
In the suitcase found in the basement, there is a blanket belonging to him with his semen on it. Also in the suitcase there is a children's Dr.Seuss book and one of JBR's hairs. (it's like a pedophile-to-go kit).
Now, JBR was a very seductive little girl. This was not deliberate (she was 6 after all!) but carefully coached by her mom and grandma. Don't jump on me here, but let's face it- college boys are VERY sexually active. And erotic asphyxiatiion is known to them. So- the garotte- the digital or paintbrush penetration- the scream- and the head bash (with the flashlight, which is how they moved around the house in the dark, and whose "strange moving lights" were seen by a neighbor).
In a panic, she's dragged to the wineceller (abrasions on her heel and back of legs), wrapped in a blanket, and left there.
NOW- this theory works for me with or without BR along. I don't think he was involved, but it DOES explain the failure of the DA to prosecute this case. And the inexplicible failure of the Grand Jury to indite.

 

[JMO8778]

could be either,I agree.what is your JR did it theory,and can that work without BR as an accessory?

 

[DeeDee249]

could be either,I agree.what is your JR did it theory,and can that work without BR as an accessory?

Of course it can. BR, in my opinion, is not part of either a PR or JR theory. He knows more than he's said, though.
In the JR theory, an abusive relationship between JBR and JR has been going on for a while. JBR has been compliant, but as she gets older, she is more resistant. There was some activity that night, the scream resulted, and she was bashed on the head. JR did the staging. PR wrote the note.
I also think this is the LEAST likely of the theories. I can't see PR covering for JR, fancy lifestyle or no. She would have left him and returned to Nedra with her 2 kids. He'd have to have something else to hold over her.
What I lean towards is this: PDI in a rage, JR helping with the coverup because he had been sexually abusing her and knew it would be discovered. The garotte was made to give an obvious reason why she was dead (as the head wound was not visible) and a sexual penetration, enough to cause bleeding in a not-quite dead yet JBR) was staged so the previous abuse would be hidden. In this theory, each of them has much to lose. Each faces jail time. So each covers for the other, to protect themselves and their other child. This is what seems to me to make the pieces fit together, IMHO.

 

[JMO8778]

Of course it can. BR, in my opinion, is not part of either a PR or JR theory. He knows more than he's said, though.
In the JR theory, an abusive relationship between JBR and JR has been going on for a while. JBR has been compliant, but as she gets older, she is more resistant. There was some activity that night, the scream resulted, and she was bashed on the head. JR did the staging. PR wrote the note.
I also think this is the LEAST likely of the theories. I can't see PR covering for JR, fancy lifestyle or no. She would have left him and returned to Nedra with her 2 kids. He'd have to have something else to hold over her.
What I lean towards is this: PDI in a rage, JR helping with the coverup because he had been sexually abusing her and knew it would be discovered. The garotte was made to give an obvious reason why she was dead (as the head wound was not visible) and a sexual penetration, enough to cause bleeding in a not-quite dead yet JBR) was staged so the previous abuse would be hidden. In this theory, each of them has much to lose. Each faces jail time. So each covers for the other, to protect themselves and their other child. This is what seems to me to make the pieces fit together, IMHO.

I do,too.I think it was Patsy that screamed in the basement,not JB,perhaps during or after the ligature strangling or sexual assault staging was complete.I think it horrified her.
Patsy's 'confessions' of sorts,lead me to believe she did the initial damage.how much JR played a part in it,as far as the ligature strangling and staged assault,is something I wonder about.