Moorers' Bond Hearing

[Coldpizza]

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[justonedrin]

there were 2 trucks taken into evidence. Her atty is stating that no evidence was found in HER truck--the red one. it was returned to the home.
they kept the black one--SM truck. this truck is the one seen on the cameras traveling back and forth to PTL on the night in question.

 

[CarolinaMoon]

Haven't posted in a while, but have caught up on yesterday's hearing. ONE thing is for sure. If she's pregnant and has a miscarriage, it will be much more noticeable at the time.

The only way I'll be convinced she was ever pregnant is when she gives birth in a few months.

I appreciate the gag order on this case and I can't imagine the amount of feuding that would start with those ladies in the parking lot. They look vicious and vindictive. Relatives or just friends of TM are they? A person is judged by the company they keep. IMHO, if it was one of TH's friends or relatives, she'd be out there shouting insults as well.

Class.

 

[4evernbluejeans]

I am kind of confused. Are you saying you think there are no clues or evidence that show a murder occurred?

No, what I am saying is that TM in her usual arrogant manner had her attorney point out that HE is missing not murdered- Because she thinks she is smarter than LE. That said I think she feels sure, she left no clues and covered her tracks. I am sure that LE HAS proof and it will be presented at trial. They ARE smart in that they are not showing their cards prematurely. This hearing was a farce, IDK if they are trying to sway public opinion of TM, by shining a "poor pregnant" light or if they were trying to get info from the prosecution. It was a straaannnngeeee hearing- to say they least! :scared:

 

[eileenhawkeye]

No, what I am saying is that TM in her usual arrogant manner had her attorney point out that HE is missing not murdered- Because she thinks she is smarter than LE. I am sure that LE HAS proof and it will be presented at trial. They ARE smart in that they are not showing their cards prematurely. This hearing was a farce, IDK if they are trying to sway public opinion of TM, by shining a "poor pregnant" light or if they were trying to get info from the prosecution. It was a straaannnngeeee hearing- to say they least! :scared:

I don't know if LE has actual evidence that Heather is dead. They could have evidence that shows the Moorers are guilty of abducting Heather, and tell the jury that there is nothing to show they are keeping Heather alive. The prosecution says they do not know how Heather was killed, so it doesn't seem like they have evidence pertaining to a weapon.

I also think if they had strong evidence that Heather was dead, wouldn't her family hold a memorial service? I guess that is a personal decision, and they are probably waiting until they actually find her, but if LE said to the family, we found a huge pool of blood, would they be more likely to have one? Not a funeral, but just a service to remember Heather's life.

Another thing is the prosecution could show evidence that seems to say they did it, but the defense could put reasonable doubt in the jurors' minds. There are trials where the jury votes not guilty, because even though they think the defendant did it, they had doubt.

I am still confused as to what Tammy's defense is going to be. Is it going to be blamed all on Sidney? He called her, he met at PTL, TM has no idea what happened? Are they going to say neither had anything to do with it, and Heather is a runaway?

 

[NFYIAMY]

One thing was made clear by the Prosecution (in rebuttal to TM's attorney trying to imply LE rushed to arrest the M's):

LE did NOT rush - going against the grain of the voices in the community. Heather went missing in December -- they TOOK THE TIME to get evidence, to have proof, to know they had enough TO CHARGE WITH MURDER before the M's were ever arrested (I believe they arrested on the other charges because they KNEW within 72 hours or less they were going to have CONFIRMATION on a piece of evidence they already felt confident about).

I don't know why a memorial hasn't been held, I don't know why there have been no searches since the body in FL was found, I don't know why (or HOW actually) LE has been able to keep EVERYONE completely tight lipped about this case - but they've surely done an OUTSTANDING job. I think this, too, goes towards validating they are working very hard on what will turn out to be a VERY strong case. (I may be wrong, time will tell, but that's really how I feel)

 

[4evernbluejeans]

I just don't think that the prosecution or LE in this case would have charged these two with murder-without proof. I think they have it, and I personally can not wait to see it-2015 seems like a decade away for me. I can't imagine how HE's family must feel, but IMO TE is will hold out for remains-forever...just as he said.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

One thing was made clear by the Prosecution (in rebuttal to TM's attorney trying to imply LE rushed to arrest the M's):

LE did NOT rush - going against the grain of the voices in the community. Heather went missing in December -- they TOOK THE TIME to get evidence, to have proof, to know they had enough TO CHARGE WITH MURDER before the M's were ever arrested (I believe they arrested on the other charges because they KNEW within 72 hours or less they were going to have CONFIRMATION on a piece of evidence they already felt confident about).

I don't know why a memorial hasn't been held, I don't know why there have been no searches since the body in FL was found, I don't know why (or HOW actually) LE has been able to keep EVERYONE completely tight lipped about this case - but they've surely done an OUTSTANDING job. I think this, too, goes towards validating they are working very hard on what will turn out to be a VERY strong case. (I may be wrong, time will tell, but that's really how I feel)

But is LE going to say: Yes, we rushed to arrest the Moorers? They aren't going to admit it. I am not saying that they did or didn't. I wonder if they will show at the trial that they did investigate other people? I also wonder if the defense will show all the craziness that went on, like FB posts and police reports, to tell the jury that the prosecution had to do something before it was getting out of control?

 

[SStarr33]

What do we make of the defense saying no forensic evidence was found in the Moorers' trunk? Let's be honest, if the prosecution said they did find forensic evidence, it would be 100% believed and trusted.



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The attorney said there was no forensic evidence in TM's truck. Not SM's truck.

 

[NFYIAMY]

But is LE going to say: Yes, we rushed to arrest the Moorers? They aren't going to admit it. I am not saying that they did or didn't. I wonder if they will show at the trial that they did investigate other people? I also wonder if the defense will show all the craziness that went on, like FB posts and police reports, to tell the jury that the prosecution had to do something before it was getting out of control?

LE doesn't have to say it. Time tells the story. Heather went missing in December - they actively worked this case for over 3 months before making an arrest.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

The attorney said there was no forensic evidence in TM's truck. Not SM's truck.

Thanks for the clarification. I wonder if he is going to say that Sidney called Heather, he was the one driving the truck that night, and Tammy has no idea what happened because she was sound asleep?

 

[eileenhawkeye]

LE doesn't have to say it. Time tells the story. Heather went missing in December - they actively worked this case for over 3 months before making an arrest.

The Moorers were charged around Feb 23/24. I think it is subjective whether 2 months is a long time or not. I also think there was a huge amount of pressure on them to make an arrest, and there is no way they could let the case go unsolved for much longer. JMO.

 

[melodyl]

other individuals were investigated; the date, the ex boyfriend, the coworker that was said to have been harassing Heather - I'm unsure of others, but at least those three. However, all evidence leads right to the Moorer's - the phone calls, the video of their vehicle going to PTL while Heather is there, Heather calling SM's cell from PTL, Heathers cell data ending almost immediately after the Moorer's vehicle arrives at PTL. We have SM lying about his last contact with Heather, about the phone call he made to Heather. All of that may be circumstantial but anyone can tie those pieces together (unless you get the C Anthony jury, sorry had to be said). Finally you have forensic evidence found by LE on the Moorer's property and LE did state DNA. I know there are no remains but there have been guilty verdicts returned with no bodies. The state has simply shown no signs of life - no bank account access, no social security number use, no cell phone use, nothing continuing after 12/18/13 that Heather normally did in her day to day life up to 12/18/13.

I don't see any type of rush to judgment in this case. It seems to be a very methodical approach by LE to get to the point of filing the murder/kidnapping charges. I believe the LE thought the Moorer's were going to try to run based on the money withdrawal and the FB posts about packing up and heading to Canada, plus the very erratic behaviors of both the Moorer's and their very public showing of firearms. I think they were losing it and were becoming more dangerous by the minute to the public, their families and themselves, and that is why LE originally arrested them on the IE and obstruction charges.

Jmo

 

[njgolden1120]

No, what I am saying is that TM in her usual arrogant manner had her attorney point out that HE is missing not murdered- Because she thinks she is smarter than LE. That said I think she feels sure, she left no clues and covered her tracks. I am sure that LE HAS proof and it will be presented at trial. They ARE smart in that they are not showing their cards prematurely. This hearing was a farce, IDK if they are trying to sway public opinion of TM, by shining a "poor pregnant" light or if they were trying to get info from the prosecution. It was a straaannnngeeee hearing- to say they least! :scared:

I think this was an attempt to the woe is me... I'm pregnant.. These conditions are horrible.. There's bed bugs.. the girls aren't playing nice on the playground.. I don't like orange.. They wouldn't let me bring my Mickey Mouse blanket.. Blah blah. Feeling sorry for me yet?? Oh by the way I don't want any medical care for this supposed "child". She should've just stayed in her room for the day. Between her, and some family members they look even worse now. My opinion...

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[eileenhawkeye]

Perhaps the hearing was a delay tactic. The defense might want the trial to not start for years so people forget, memories fade (especially witnesses), emotional impact lessens, etc. I have seen many cases where the defense tries everything to delay the trial, so they must think there is some benefit to it.

 

[JerseyGirl]

During the hearing, McCollum said Moorer has been under stress in jail because of the death of her father and she was taken to a hospital and learned she was pregnant. McCollum said Moorer and her husband were trying to get pregnant before they were arrested in February.

McCollum asked for John to set a bond for Moorer because she has had miscarriages in the past and the stress of being jailed could jeopardize this pregnancy.

Donna Elder, a senior solicitor, said on March 13 Tammy Moorer took a pregnancy test at the Georgetown County Detention Center and it was negative. On March 18, Moorer told officials she believed she was pregnant and requested to be examined by an obstetrics and gynecology doctor because the last time she had one was in 2005, Elder said.

Read more here: http://www.thestate.com/2014/05/23/...-heather-elvis.html?sp=/99/132/#storylink=cpy

 

[Dr. Know?]

Was it against the gag order for Greg McCollum to speak about not seeking another bond hearing? It was on video, it's against the gag order, even if he said it in the court building? It was to the press, I believe. Just feel like that whole pregnancy was a farce. Maybe I'm just in a bad mood...

On March 21, the couple were indicted on the charges by an Horry County grand jury, which met the day before, according to court records. That same day, John also signed a gag order, which prohibits any prosecutors, defense attorneys or their staffs and members of law enforcement, who have investigated the case, to publicly speak or release documents regarding the case.

Read more here: http://www.thestate.com/2014/05/23/...-heather-elvis.html?sp=/99/132/#storylink=cpy

 

[JusticeforHE]

I think this was an attempt to the woe is me... I'm pregnant.. These conditions are horrible.. There's bed bugs.. the girls aren't playing nice on the playground.. I don't like orange.. They wouldn't let me bring my Mickey Mouse blanket.. Blah blah. Feeling sorry for me yet?? Oh by the way I don't want any medical care for this supposed "child". She should've just stayed in her room for the day. Between her, and some family members they look even worse now. My opinion...

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I agree, I think Tammy and the rest of the Caison Clan sincerely thought her plan was going to work and that she would be released on bond. I think they also thought that they could play the sympathy card on the judge and public and sway the public's view of her. One word... delusional. :floorlaugh:

So delusional that actually thought that going to a bond reconsideration with no concrete proof of the pregnancy and inconsistencies in the tests along with refusal of prenatal care and further testing would actually make her look good in their minds. Instead, it backfired and everyone is now questioning her already questionable credibility.

Also, I think it could backfire even further if they keep pulling stunts like this, not only will it lessen her credibility even more (if that's even possible) but also the courts and judge will end up getting fed up with her antics and not take her seriously. :denied:

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I agree, I think Tammy and the rest of the Caison Clan sincerely thought her plan was going to work and that she would be released on bond. I think they also thought that they could play the sympathy card on the judge and public and sway the public's view of her. One word... delusional. :floorlaugh:

So delusional that actually thought that going to a bond reconsideration with no concrete proof of the pregnancy and inconsistencies in the tests along with refusal of prenatal care and further testing would actually make her look good in their minds. Instead, it backfired and everyone is now questioning her already questionable credibility.

Also, I think it could backfire even further if they keep pulling stunts like this, not only will it lessen her credibility even more (if that's even possible) but also the courts and judge will end up getting fed up with her antics and not take her seriously. :denied:

The only people Tammy has to convince are the jury. Bringing up crazy scenarios in the trial worked for Casey Anthony. I wonder if the hearing is sort of a preview of what the trial is going to be like.

 

[njgolden1120]

I agree, I think Tammy and the rest of the Caison Clan sincerely thought her plan was going to work and that she would be released on bond. I think they also thought that they could play the sympathy card on the judge and public and sway the public's view of her. One word... delusional. :floorlaugh:

So delusional that actually thought that going to a bond reconsideration with no concrete proof of the pregnancy and inconsistencies in the tests along with refusal of prenatal care and further testing would actually make her look good in their minds. Instead, it backfired and everyone is now questioning her already questionable credibility.

Also, I think it could backfire even further if they keep pulling stunts like this, not only will it lessen her credibility even more (if that's even possible) but also the courts and judge will end up getting fed up with her antics and not take her seriously. :denied:

I agree. I have this feeling this won't be the last time something comes up before the actual trial. Look how many times the police were called to the property for whatever reasons. Silence and drama free doesn't seem to be their strong suit.

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