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I would never watch anything so sick. I know what a beheading is, I don't need to see it.
GUILTY Morocco - Maren Ueland, 28, & Louisa Jespersen, 24, backpackers, beheaded, Dec 2018 *Arrests*
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I would never watch anything so sick. I know what a beheading is, I don't need to see it.
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Big hug to you @scandinavian girl, don't watch the video and do not read about it. Protect yourself from evil. Maren and Louisa deserve our respect, they were real persons, women, somebody's children and friends of many. They should not be made the object of sensationalism, like some are attempting. (This thread was moved from the forum Rampage Killings and Terrorist Attacks to this forum, which is unfortunate because the first forum is serious about terrorism and dedicated.)
Apart from the video, not much is known yet about the crime, but Maren and Louisa are beyond fear and pain now. If there is truth in the video, their suffering came unexpected and it did not last long. The video was created and then distributed to cause pain and fear to as many people as possible, and sadly exhilaration and pride for those who need evil like oxygen.
You can choose not to watch the video, and I would recommend that. Once it is seen, it cannot be unseen.
I hope this helps, if only a little. Take your time, take all the time you need. Let us remember Maren and Louisa for their beauty, their humanity and all the joy they brought into this world.
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Thank you for your kind words, I just clicked bcs of their names looked very scandinavian, It was a shock to find out what it was, I hadn´t heard anything about it.
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Yes and no - the women didn't pose a threat to them or to ISIS, but what they represent could be interpreted as an affront to Allah and provide these guys with all the excuse and justification they need to rape and brutally murder them without remorse. Calling it a sexually motivated crime is also wrong of the media and oversimplifies the core issues that perpetuate these acts and ways of thinking.
I wonder what drew Maren and Louisa to Morocco ?
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I do think most of us have the ability (imagination) to understand the horror of what happened to these two women and what ISIS is all about without imprinting these images in our minds forever. It’s true that some people choose to be ignorant or complacent about ISIS and ignore the fact that they are by no means defeated, for reasons that are their own. This video likely won’t change their chosen viewpoint.
I choose to be well-informed, but for me, watching the final gruesome, horrific moments of these two women is intrusive and disrespectful to them and to their families.
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Absolutely. Just like when a child throws a temper tantrum, ignore them, don’t give them an audience.
But in this case, just bomb the Hell out of them all.
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No, that’s not the answer either. That’s just inciting hatred which is exactly what they want.
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The four men who committed the murders became Daesh followers one week prior to the murders. My opinion is that they hoped that committing the murders would secure their place as members of the violent, terrorist group. I have read that the girls were half dressed, which suggests a different motive. I wonder how many other violent rapists and murderers hope to hide behind groups like Daesh.
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I’m confused, Otto, and frankly rather disturbed by this chain of posts. First you strongly encouraged people to watch the video so we will know what Daesh and ISIS are.
I objected and replied:
You answered:
So after strongly encouraging people to watch the horrific video to become informed about ISIS, are you now saying they’re probably just wannabe ISIS trying to gain “street cred” as rapists and murderers, or maybe just plain rapists and murderers hiding behind ISIS? Which is it? And are you still recommending that people watch the video so they are informed about ISIS/Daesh? I hope not. And I sincerely hope you will walk back your very strong recommendation.
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I objected and replied:
You answered:
So after strongly encouraging people to watch the horrific video to become informed about ISIS, are you now saying they’re probably just wannabe ISIS trying to gain “street cred” as rapists and murderers, or maybe just plain rapists and murderers hiding behind ISIS? Which is it? And are you still recommending that people watch the video so they are informed about ISIS/Daesh? I hope not. And I sincerely hope you will walk back your very strong recommendation.
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http://www.leparisien.fr/faits-dive...nat-de-louisa-et-maren-23-12-2018-7975617.php
Morocco: the chilling account of the assassination of Louisa and Maren
We went to the Moroccan Atlas Mountains, to the site of the murder of the two young Scandinavian hikers, killed a week ago by four men claiming to be from Daech.
For those who use it, it is "a highway." In reality: a stony path, the main access road to Mount Toubkal, whose white peaks cut through the electric blue sky, reaching the Atlas at 4,167 m. This summit, Louisa and Maren climbed it safely ten days ago, as well as two others of lesser importance.
The two friends were experienced female mountaineers, used to bivouacs outdoors, lovers of freedom. So, when they joined civilization on Sunday, December 16, they opted for a last night in the open air. It was there, on an outstretched path barely two metres wide, at 2,100 metres, that they were murdered, on the night of Sunday to Monday.
The place is a place called Taounte Ntkhefissa. "Not even an hour's walk from the first houses," whispered this inhabitant of Imlil, lighting a candle at the scene of the tragedy, overlooking the terracotta wall of a hut that had become a mausoleum. "I'm Louisa, I'm Maren", one sign among others readss, in the middle of some flowers that try to erase the horror.
Initial findings indicate that the two young women were surprised in their sleep. According to the same resident, "the tent was pierced on the side."
The first victim succumbed inside, the second managed to escape before falling victim to the stabs. According to our information, her body had many cuts on her forearms, a sign that she tried to defend herself. Her four attackers gave her no chance.
Mohamed Jelal is still horrified by it. Along the path, he had met Maren and Louisa on Saturday. The guide was climbing the Toubkal with clients. The two Scandinavian women were going back down. They had bivouacked for three nights near the refuge, where they had preferred their tent. "We talked for a while," Mohamed recalls. "They explained their journey to me. It was cold. When I asked them about their logistics, they explained that they had adapted equipment and very good sleeping bags. They gave me the impression of being experienced."
When they left Imlil for the ascent, the duo had registered at the guides' office, without wishing that one of them would accompany them. "It's everyone's freedom," Brahim says. He is one of the most experienced of the 50 or so of these certified professionals. "If people do not need our services, we simply give them advice. Among which is the one not to do wild camping."
A 10-minute walk upstream, a few huts cling to the cliffs, built around a white painted rock: the sanctuary of Chamharouch, the marabout that gave it its name. "Sometimes people come to make offerings to him, for example, to sacrifice an animal," explains a veteran of the place. Around, the huts are only used during the day, sheltering modest stalls where walkers can take a break.
"But at night, except sometimes for a few merchants who wouldn't have wanted to go down into the valley, it's a ghost village," Omar, another guide, says. So much so that "I would never sleep there with clients. And if we see that some bivouacs are there, we must report it. "Then, even if it is less the case in winter, in summer, there are people sleeping everywhere in the mountains," says one of his colleagues. "We advise them to group together. But in thirty years, I've never heard of any aggression."
"This place where they died, I passed by dozens of times," sighs Alice, an English woman who settled in Imlil to prepare for future races at very high altitudes. "I went all over the area. On the other hand, I would never have taken the risk of sleeping alone on the edge. But in my experience, the area was safe. It's not their fault."
This part of the High Atlas looks like the first morning of the world. The crystalline air is embalmed by scattered junipers. Only the clattering of the river flowing below filled the silence. Some beds of a fluorescent green grass stand out on the ochre earth. It was on the most important of them, downstream, where Maren and Louisa thought they had found refuge, that the terrorists took their quarters at the same time, setting up an "igloo" tent that would be found by the investigators.
The four men, aged 25 to 33, had left their homes near Marrakech on the previous Friday. All under false pretenses. One of them assured his parents that he was going to look for work in Dakhla, a city not far from the Sahara. The four actually headed towards Imlil, known as the nerve centre of departures to the Atlas. They took care to avoid it, bypassing the village by crossing a pass.
As authenticated by the Moroccan authorities, the previous week they had recorded a video of allegiance to Daech, with a flag to the glory of Al Baghdadi in the background. However, the Moroccan services refused to confirm that one of the victims had been beheaded, as shown in a video that their executioners had time to broadcast.
On Sunday, according to several witnesses interviewed in Imlil, there is no doubt that the commando was looking for future victims. With their base camp set up, they went back up the trail. "Where are we now? Where are you going? Are there many tourists? Where are they going?" The local resident who said he saw them, mentioned "many questions, asked in an almost aggressive way." During that day, the four would have crossed paths with the two tourists during the day. They would then go back down to their own tent, waiting for the middle of the night to act.
In the early morning, it was French climbers who first made the macabre discovery. During the investigations, they provided the investigators with images of the terrible scene, taken with their mobile phones, before leaving for France. In the meantime, a major police force was deployed. In particular, two dogs were hired to track down terrorists. The first, like the second, took the upstream direction. "What probably happened is that in the dark, the terrorists failed to find their tent," according to a source close to the investigation.
On Monday morning, the police quickly spot it. Inside, according to several sources: "blankets, knives, and especially the identity document of one of the suspects." At the same time, nearly 400 people from Imlil embarked on a vast manhunt. "All my friends participated," Alice explains. "We are the best experts on this mountain," a guide says. "Whatever happens in terms of safety or rescue, we intervene."
But already, the fugitives had managed to slip through the cracks. At around 3 a.m., during the night from Sunday to Monday, the camera of one of the hotels located at the trailhead identifies them. In the middle of Imlil, a morning-time baker will be surprised by the wanderings of these strange individuals.
At 3:20 am, a new camera, hung in one of the last establishments in the village, captured them. Black and white images that we were able to consult. We see three individuals, from behind, walking in single file. "They must have spotted the video surveillance, and thought that if they walked along the road on the left side, they wouldn't be seen," says Jalil*, the owner of the establishment. "They are not intelligent. They are dressed exactly the same way as some of those who had seen them described them."
On Tuesday, the first of the four terrorists was arrested in Marrakech. Still dressed in the same clothes, the other three will be apprehended on Thursday. They then took a bus to the coast when a street vendor spotted the knife that one of them was carrying. The police are notified, and they are arrested without any problem.
Transferred to Salé, a suburb of Rabat, the four suspects are now in the hands of BCIJ, the central judicial investigation office. A structure specially created in 2015 to fight serious crime, with the fight against terrorism as a priority. According to the report drawn up by its leader in October, 57 terrorist cells were dismantled by his office.
All four suspects face the death penalty, which is still in force in Morocco, even though it has not been applied since 1993. On Moroccan social networks, their picture circulates, a hanging rope in front of each face. The remains of Maren and Louisa were repatriated this Saturday to their respective countries.
The 28-year-old Norwegian and her 24-year-old Danish friend were both described as "adventurous", "sociable", "positive". Louisa had a rafting diploma. Like Maren, she was destined for the profession of guide, both of whom were studying in the same school in Norway. In his tribute to them on Facebook, Glen Martin, Louisa's ex-boyfriend, promises to take them everywhere with him, "across all those rivers and mountains they will never be able to see."
* Jalil is not his real name
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Morocco: the chilling account of the assassination of Louisa and Maren
We went to the Moroccan Atlas Mountains, to the site of the murder of the two young Scandinavian hikers, killed a week ago by four men claiming to be from Daech.
For those who use it, it is "a highway." In reality: a stony path, the main access road to Mount Toubkal, whose white peaks cut through the electric blue sky, reaching the Atlas at 4,167 m. This summit, Louisa and Maren climbed it safely ten days ago, as well as two others of lesser importance.
The two friends were experienced female mountaineers, used to bivouacs outdoors, lovers of freedom. So, when they joined civilization on Sunday, December 16, they opted for a last night in the open air. It was there, on an outstretched path barely two metres wide, at 2,100 metres, that they were murdered, on the night of Sunday to Monday.
The place is a place called Taounte Ntkhefissa. "Not even an hour's walk from the first houses," whispered this inhabitant of Imlil, lighting a candle at the scene of the tragedy, overlooking the terracotta wall of a hut that had become a mausoleum. "I'm Louisa, I'm Maren", one sign among others readss, in the middle of some flowers that try to erase the horror.
Initial findings indicate that the two young women were surprised in their sleep. According to the same resident, "the tent was pierced on the side."
The first victim succumbed inside, the second managed to escape before falling victim to the stabs. According to our information, her body had many cuts on her forearms, a sign that she tried to defend herself. Her four attackers gave her no chance.
Mohamed Jelal is still horrified by it. Along the path, he had met Maren and Louisa on Saturday. The guide was climbing the Toubkal with clients. The two Scandinavian women were going back down. They had bivouacked for three nights near the refuge, where they had preferred their tent. "We talked for a while," Mohamed recalls. "They explained their journey to me. It was cold. When I asked them about their logistics, they explained that they had adapted equipment and very good sleeping bags. They gave me the impression of being experienced."
When they left Imlil for the ascent, the duo had registered at the guides' office, without wishing that one of them would accompany them. "It's everyone's freedom," Brahim says. He is one of the most experienced of the 50 or so of these certified professionals. "If people do not need our services, we simply give them advice. Among which is the one not to do wild camping."
A 10-minute walk upstream, a few huts cling to the cliffs, built around a white painted rock: the sanctuary of Chamharouch, the marabout that gave it its name. "Sometimes people come to make offerings to him, for example, to sacrifice an animal," explains a veteran of the place. Around, the huts are only used during the day, sheltering modest stalls where walkers can take a break.
"But at night, except sometimes for a few merchants who wouldn't have wanted to go down into the valley, it's a ghost village," Omar, another guide, says. So much so that "I would never sleep there with clients. And if we see that some bivouacs are there, we must report it. "Then, even if it is less the case in winter, in summer, there are people sleeping everywhere in the mountains," says one of his colleagues. "We advise them to group together. But in thirty years, I've never heard of any aggression."
"This place where they died, I passed by dozens of times," sighs Alice, an English woman who settled in Imlil to prepare for future races at very high altitudes. "I went all over the area. On the other hand, I would never have taken the risk of sleeping alone on the edge. But in my experience, the area was safe. It's not their fault."
This part of the High Atlas looks like the first morning of the world. The crystalline air is embalmed by scattered junipers. Only the clattering of the river flowing below filled the silence. Some beds of a fluorescent green grass stand out on the ochre earth. It was on the most important of them, downstream, where Maren and Louisa thought they had found refuge, that the terrorists took their quarters at the same time, setting up an "igloo" tent that would be found by the investigators.
The four men, aged 25 to 33, had left their homes near Marrakech on the previous Friday. All under false pretenses. One of them assured his parents that he was going to look for work in Dakhla, a city not far from the Sahara. The four actually headed towards Imlil, known as the nerve centre of departures to the Atlas. They took care to avoid it, bypassing the village by crossing a pass.
As authenticated by the Moroccan authorities, the previous week they had recorded a video of allegiance to Daech, with a flag to the glory of Al Baghdadi in the background. However, the Moroccan services refused to confirm that one of the victims had been beheaded, as shown in a video that their executioners had time to broadcast.
On Sunday, according to several witnesses interviewed in Imlil, there is no doubt that the commando was looking for future victims. With their base camp set up, they went back up the trail. "Where are we now? Where are you going? Are there many tourists? Where are they going?" The local resident who said he saw them, mentioned "many questions, asked in an almost aggressive way." During that day, the four would have crossed paths with the two tourists during the day. They would then go back down to their own tent, waiting for the middle of the night to act.
In the early morning, it was French climbers who first made the macabre discovery. During the investigations, they provided the investigators with images of the terrible scene, taken with their mobile phones, before leaving for France. In the meantime, a major police force was deployed. In particular, two dogs were hired to track down terrorists. The first, like the second, took the upstream direction. "What probably happened is that in the dark, the terrorists failed to find their tent," according to a source close to the investigation.
On Monday morning, the police quickly spot it. Inside, according to several sources: "blankets, knives, and especially the identity document of one of the suspects." At the same time, nearly 400 people from Imlil embarked on a vast manhunt. "All my friends participated," Alice explains. "We are the best experts on this mountain," a guide says. "Whatever happens in terms of safety or rescue, we intervene."
But already, the fugitives had managed to slip through the cracks. At around 3 a.m., during the night from Sunday to Monday, the camera of one of the hotels located at the trailhead identifies them. In the middle of Imlil, a morning-time baker will be surprised by the wanderings of these strange individuals.
At 3:20 am, a new camera, hung in one of the last establishments in the village, captured them. Black and white images that we were able to consult. We see three individuals, from behind, walking in single file. "They must have spotted the video surveillance, and thought that if they walked along the road on the left side, they wouldn't be seen," says Jalil*, the owner of the establishment. "They are not intelligent. They are dressed exactly the same way as some of those who had seen them described them."
On Tuesday, the first of the four terrorists was arrested in Marrakech. Still dressed in the same clothes, the other three will be apprehended on Thursday. They then took a bus to the coast when a street vendor spotted the knife that one of them was carrying. The police are notified, and they are arrested without any problem.
Transferred to Salé, a suburb of Rabat, the four suspects are now in the hands of BCIJ, the central judicial investigation office. A structure specially created in 2015 to fight serious crime, with the fight against terrorism as a priority. According to the report drawn up by its leader in October, 57 terrorist cells were dismantled by his office.
All four suspects face the death penalty, which is still in force in Morocco, even though it has not been applied since 1993. On Moroccan social networks, their picture circulates, a hanging rope in front of each face. The remains of Maren and Louisa were repatriated this Saturday to their respective countries.
The 28-year-old Norwegian and her 24-year-old Danish friend were both described as "adventurous", "sociable", "positive". Louisa had a rafting diploma. Like Maren, she was destined for the profession of guide, both of whom were studying in the same school in Norway. In his tribute to them on Facebook, Glen Martin, Louisa's ex-boyfriend, promises to take them everywhere with him, "across all those rivers and mountains they will never be able to see."
* Jalil is not his real name
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LEUVEN (Belgium) - Dutch tourists, especially young women, should no longer travel alone to remote areas in Muslim countries, Montasser AlDe'emeh says. The Belgian-Palestinian jihad expert and radicalisation expert sounds the alarm after yet another attack on Westerners in the Islamic world.
The 24-year-old Louisa Vesterager Jespersen from Denmark and the 28-year-old Maren Ueland from Norway were found on Monday near the Moroccan Toubkal mountain, about 60 kilometres from the highly touristic Marrakech. The two student friends, interested in other cultures, were there on a backpack holiday.
The murder of the two handsome young Scandinavian women was filmed by one of the perpetrators. The gruesome images, distributed via social media and viewed hundreds of thousands of times, show how likely the Danish is lying on the floor in her underwear and one of the murderers cuts her throat completely, trying to behead her. The young woman is crying desperately, but in vain, for help.
"I'm devastated by it," says AlDe'emeh (29). Years ago he went undercover with IS - who claimed the murder of the young women - and as a result was put on a death list of the Islamic terror organization.
"It is repulsive, barbaric. But this is the reality we have to face. This is what we will have to face more and more if we keep closing our eyes. We do not realise what hundreds of thousands of people in the Islamic world, religiously indoctrinated and radicalised, are capable of. Keep away, especially from remote areas, it is far too dangerous!"
At the end of July a Dutch couple already experienced the horrific consequences of terror, when they were hit during a cycling holiday in Tajikistan, after which the man was killed and the woman was injured. [ An American couple was murdered during the same attack ]
The jihad expert does not blame the girls at all. However, he does blame politics and the media. "There is no mention of these subjects, these dangers. We have to be and remain politically correct. While the primary task is to protect your own citizens, and give them the right advice. These young women had no idea what danger they were in."
AlDe'emeh also sees the rapidly increasing threat in Europe itself. "How many people who came from Muslim countries have we already seen waving knives? Innocent people are stabbed down, and western governments don't want to face it. We have had attacks in Brussels, in Strasbourg, in so many places already in Europe."
The Palestinian Belgian refers to the Marrakech Pact, which makes it easier for refugees and migrants to enter the continent. "Uncontrolled migration poses enormous dangers to our society. After all, have these people checked for their ideological convictions? No, that does not happen. I think it is my duty as a investigator to warn against this. We really need much more control over migration policy."
He states that the gap with their civilisation and the Western, in many cases unbridgeable. "Many do not come to help us, to help our country. They come to countries like the Netherlands because they have more rights here. They already have a hatred against the West, do we really think that hatred disappears when they are here?"
BBM
More info on the attack on cyclists in Tajikistan:
WORLDWIDE - Terrorist threats and scares
LEUVEN (Belgium) - Dutch tourists, especially young women, should no longer travel alone to remote areas in Muslim countries, Montasser AlDe'emeh says. The Belgian-Palestinian jihad expert and radicalisation expert sounds the alarm after yet another attack on Westerners in the Islamic world.
The 24-year-old Louisa Vesterager Jespersen from Denmark and the 28-year-old Maren Ueland from Norway were found on Monday near the Moroccan Toubkal mountain, about 60 kilometres from the highly touristic Marrakech. The two student friends, interested in other cultures, were there on a backpack holiday.
The murder of the two handsome young Scandinavian women was filmed by one of the perpetrators. The gruesome images, distributed via social media and viewed hundreds of thousands of times, show how likely the Danish is lying on the floor in her underwear and one of the murderers cuts her throat completely, trying to behead her. The young woman is crying desperately, but in vain, for help.
"I'm devastated by it," says AlDe'emeh (29). Years ago he went undercover with IS - who claimed the murder of the young women - and as a result was put on a death list of the Islamic terror organization.
"It is repulsive, barbaric. But this is the reality we have to face. This is what we will have to face more and more if we keep closing our eyes. We do not realise what hundreds of thousands of people in the Islamic world, religiously indoctrinated and radicalised, are capable of. Keep away, especially from remote areas, it is far too dangerous!"
At the end of July a Dutch couple already experienced the horrific consequences of terror, when they were hit during a cycling holiday in Tajikistan, after which the man was killed and the woman was injured. [ An American couple was murdered during the same attack ]
The jihad expert does not blame the girls at all. However, he does blame politics and the media. "There is no mention of these subjects, these dangers. We have to be and remain politically correct. While the primary task is to protect your own citizens, and give them the right advice. These young women had no idea what danger they were in."
AlDe'emeh also sees the rapidly increasing threat in Europe itself. "How many people who came from Muslim countries have we already seen waving knives? Innocent people are stabbed down, and western governments don't want to face it. We have had attacks in Brussels, in Strasbourg, in so many places already in Europe."
The Palestinian Belgian refers to the Marrakech Pact, which makes it easier for refugees and migrants to enter the continent. "Uncontrolled migration poses enormous dangers to our society. After all, have these people checked for their ideological convictions? No, that does not happen. I think it is my duty as a investigator to warn against this. We really need much more control over migration policy."
He states that the gap with their civilisation and the Western, in many cases unbridgeable. "Many do not come to help us, to help our country. They come to countries like the Netherlands because they have more rights here. They already have a hatred against the West, do we really think that hatred disappears when they are here?"
BBM
More info on the attack on cyclists in Tajikistan:
WORLDWIDE - Terrorist threats and scares
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Five new arrests in the murder of the Scandinavian women
The Moroccan authorities have made five new arrests in connection with the recent murder of two young Scandinavian hikers in southern Morocco, the Moroccan counter-terrorism chief said on Monday.
These arrests were carried out in several cities across the kingdom, said Abdelhak Khiam, director of the Central Bureau of Judicial Investigation (BCIJ), bringing the number of people arrested for their alleged links to this double homicide to 18.
The four main suspects of this act described as "terrorist" by Rabat were arrested between last Monday and Thursday in Marrakech (south), the kingdom's tourist capital.
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The Moroccan authorities have made five new arrests in connection with the recent murder of two young Scandinavian hikers in southern Morocco, the Moroccan counter-terrorism chief said on Monday.
These arrests were carried out in several cities across the kingdom, said Abdelhak Khiam, director of the Central Bureau of Judicial Investigation (BCIJ), bringing the number of people arrested for their alleged links to this double homicide to 18.
The four main suspects of this act described as "terrorist" by Rabat were arrested between last Monday and Thursday in Marrakech (south), the kingdom's tourist capital.
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Fantastic posted report. Thanks for this.
http://www.leparisien.fr/faits-dive...nat-de-louisa-et-maren-23-12-2018-7975617.php
http://www.leparisien.fr/faits-dive...nat-de-louisa-et-maren-23-12-2018-7975617.php
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Moroccan authorities announced Wednesday that more suspects were arrested in connection with the Islamic State-inspired murders of two Scandinavian hikers in the High Atlas Mountains, bringing the total number to 19.
More arrests in Morocco backpacker beheadings, investigators say
“The crime was not coordinated with Islamic State,” Sabik said. “Lone wolves do not need permission from their leader."
More arrests in Morocco backpacker beheadings, investigators say
“The crime was not coordinated with Islamic State,” Sabik said. “Lone wolves do not need permission from their leader."
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We here on Webslueths, live and breath violent crime day in and day out. We view autopsy photo's (JBR anyone?), bloody crime scene pics, and discuss in great detail the horrors that human kind inflicts on one another all the time. Often there is extreme imagined embellishment of what a victims "Last Moments" may have been like...It's a bit like the pot calling the kettle black to suggest that anyone who views this particular video is somehow an aberrant, disrespectful gore monger, and those who choose not to are somehow morally superior or more spiritually enlightened. IMO.
I do have a fantastic imagination. Which is partly why I did view the crime as it happened. I was not going to simply read what others would have me believe happens. As it turned out, many of the accounts were inaccurate. For instance there was no "Crying and screaming for help in vein"...
It was desperately sad, heinous and yes even injurious to the soul, but are any of these cases we dissect in such great detail any less so? I would say, no, IMO they are not.
I do feel I learned more than I knew before about the kind of savages that commit these murders. They casually chat amongst themselves, (much like I have heard hunters do!), as they complete their deadly task. They provided ample evidence to their identities, and a singularly descriptive composite of the mindset capable of such despicable evil.
These girls have my heart, their family's have my heart, and no, I don't believe shouldering the horror of the true account of Luisa's last moments was in any way disrespectful, on the contrary I now know the truth, and can stand in absolute solidarity with them.
I do have a fantastic imagination. Which is partly why I did view the crime as it happened. I was not going to simply read what others would have me believe happens. As it turned out, many of the accounts were inaccurate. For instance there was no "Crying and screaming for help in vein"...
It was desperately sad, heinous and yes even injurious to the soul, but are any of these cases we dissect in such great detail any less so? I would say, no, IMO they are not.
I do feel I learned more than I knew before about the kind of savages that commit these murders. They casually chat amongst themselves, (much like I have heard hunters do!), as they complete their deadly task. They provided ample evidence to their identities, and a singularly descriptive composite of the mindset capable of such despicable evil.
These girls have my heart, their family's have my heart, and no, I don't believe shouldering the horror of the true account of Luisa's last moments was in any way disrespectful, on the contrary I now know the truth, and can stand in absolute solidarity with them.
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Investigators reconstruct what 'lone wolves' did in days before their beheading of Scandinavian tourists
The Moroccan authorities have released new details about what happened before the horrific murder of two Scandinavian tourists in Morocco early last week. How the four main suspects hastily formed a terrorist cell and started chasing backpackers in the Moroccan mountains.
The bodies of Louisa Vesterager Jespersen (24) from Denmark and Maren Ueland (28) from Norway were found last Monday in the Atlas mountains. They had set up their tent in a remote area two hours walk from the touristic Imlil. This village is the starting point for those who want to climb the Toubkal, with its 4,167 metres the highest mountain in North Africa. One of the two students had her throat cut over, the other was beheaded.
Soon four main suspects were identified. Within three days after the facts they were arrested. One of them had made an unscrupulous film of Louisa's murder and had shared it on social media. There it was immediately shared thousands of times. The Facebook pages of the victims' families - including Louisa's mother's - were also bombarded with horrific images of the execution of the young women.
Initially it was thought that Islamic State (IS) was behind the attack. Investigators in Morocco and Denmark found an online video in which the four suspects swore allegiance to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi - the leader of IS - with a homemade black IS flag in the background. The images were shot a week before the facts. But in the meantime it is assumed that the perpetrators were 'lone wolves' and acted without consultation with the terrorist group.
The four - two street vendors, a plumber and a carpenter, all between 25 and 33 years old - are said to have recruited 15 others just before the attack and hastily formed a terrorist cell. "The emir of the group was Abdessamad Ejjoud, a 25-year-old street vendor living on the outskirts of Marrakech," says Abdelhak Khiam, head of the Moroccan Central Judicial Investigation Bureau at the AFP press agency.
The other three main suspects were Abdelrahim el-Khayali - a 33-year-old plumber - Ouziad Younes - a 27-year-old carpenter - and Rachid Afatti - a 33-year-old street vendor.
"The terrorist cell then discussed how best to carry out an attack in Morocco", he continues. "They decided that they would target the security services or foreign tourists.
Two days before the double murder, they travelled to the region of Imlil "because there are many tourists there," Khiam said. "In a remote area, Ejjoud, Younes and Afatti targeted the two students, without really preparing their attack. The women were assaulted, stabbed with knives, their throats cut and beheaded.
After the attack, the police invaded several places in Morocco and 19 suspects are now in prison. Electronics, an unlicensed shotgun, knives and bomb-making equipment were also confiscated.
According to the Moroccan police, the entire cell has now been dismantled. Three of the suspects had a criminal record that contained terrorist-related crimes. For example, Ejjoud had already been detained because he had tried to reach IS territory in Syria and Iraq in 2014. "He eventually received a reduction in his sentence, but remained faithful to his extremist ideas," Khiam continues. "It was he who also took the floor in the video in which the main suspects swore allegiance to IS."
Morocco - which is very tourism-oriented - has largely been spared from severe terror since 2011. Then, on 28 April, 17 people died in a bomb attack on a café on the famous Jamaa el-Fnaa square. Many of the victims were European tourists.
BBM
IMHO the paragraph about the men being lone wolves is nonsense. They were a group of 19, how lonely is that? 19 is a crowd. Everybody who wants to kill Westerners is welcome with ISIS, the only thing you have to do is pledge allegiance and upload a video, which is exactly what these men did.
Three of the murderers were caught is a bus heading to the beach. This makes one wonder if they had other plans. Crimes may have been prevented because they were captured soon.
The Moroccan authorities have released new details about what happened before the horrific murder of two Scandinavian tourists in Morocco early last week. How the four main suspects hastily formed a terrorist cell and started chasing backpackers in the Moroccan mountains.
The bodies of Louisa Vesterager Jespersen (24) from Denmark and Maren Ueland (28) from Norway were found last Monday in the Atlas mountains. They had set up their tent in a remote area two hours walk from the touristic Imlil. This village is the starting point for those who want to climb the Toubkal, with its 4,167 metres the highest mountain in North Africa. One of the two students had her throat cut over, the other was beheaded.
Soon four main suspects were identified. Within three days after the facts they were arrested. One of them had made an unscrupulous film of Louisa's murder and had shared it on social media. There it was immediately shared thousands of times. The Facebook pages of the victims' families - including Louisa's mother's - were also bombarded with horrific images of the execution of the young women.
Initially it was thought that Islamic State (IS) was behind the attack. Investigators in Morocco and Denmark found an online video in which the four suspects swore allegiance to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi - the leader of IS - with a homemade black IS flag in the background. The images were shot a week before the facts. But in the meantime it is assumed that the perpetrators were 'lone wolves' and acted without consultation with the terrorist group.
The four - two street vendors, a plumber and a carpenter, all between 25 and 33 years old - are said to have recruited 15 others just before the attack and hastily formed a terrorist cell. "The emir of the group was Abdessamad Ejjoud, a 25-year-old street vendor living on the outskirts of Marrakech," says Abdelhak Khiam, head of the Moroccan Central Judicial Investigation Bureau at the AFP press agency.
The other three main suspects were Abdelrahim el-Khayali - a 33-year-old plumber - Ouziad Younes - a 27-year-old carpenter - and Rachid Afatti - a 33-year-old street vendor.
"The terrorist cell then discussed how best to carry out an attack in Morocco", he continues. "They decided that they would target the security services or foreign tourists.
Two days before the double murder, they travelled to the region of Imlil "because there are many tourists there," Khiam said. "In a remote area, Ejjoud, Younes and Afatti targeted the two students, without really preparing their attack. The women were assaulted, stabbed with knives, their throats cut and beheaded.
After the attack, the police invaded several places in Morocco and 19 suspects are now in prison. Electronics, an unlicensed shotgun, knives and bomb-making equipment were also confiscated.
According to the Moroccan police, the entire cell has now been dismantled. Three of the suspects had a criminal record that contained terrorist-related crimes. For example, Ejjoud had already been detained because he had tried to reach IS territory in Syria and Iraq in 2014. "He eventually received a reduction in his sentence, but remained faithful to his extremist ideas," Khiam continues. "It was he who also took the floor in the video in which the main suspects swore allegiance to IS."
Morocco - which is very tourism-oriented - has largely been spared from severe terror since 2011. Then, on 28 April, 17 people died in a bomb attack on a café on the famous Jamaa el-Fnaa square. Many of the victims were European tourists.
BBM
IMHO the paragraph about the men being lone wolves is nonsense. They were a group of 19, how lonely is that? 19 is a crowd. Everybody who wants to kill Westerners is welcome with ISIS, the only thing you have to do is pledge allegiance and upload a video, which is exactly what these men did.
Three of the murderers were caught is a bus heading to the beach. This makes one wonder if they had other plans. Crimes may have been prevented because they were captured soon.
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