GUILTY Morocco - Maren Ueland, 28, & Louisa Jespersen, 24, backpackers, beheaded, Dec 2018 *Arrests*

[Safeguard]

I can't for the life of me, understand the mentality that wants to separate ISIS recruited members from those acting on behalf of ISIS ideology. If you commit an act of good will and declare your faith in Christ, would anyone separate you from the religious sect your emulating? Nope. I think not.

They were inspired, coached and taught by ISIS philosophy. They are terrorists in the truest sense.

What's with all this beating around the bush, needing "official ISIS approval? A "Lone Wolf"? 15 ( or more), men are a "Lone Wolf"?

These are not the kind of murderers we are accustomed to, here on Webslueths. I watched them. I listened to them. And I can tell you... they were not enraged. They were not nervous. They were not afraid of "getting caught"...It was if they were doing nothing more than your local exterminator might do. They were calm, They chatted softly, almost "happily" (sickeningly so).

ISIS is a threat that no "serial killer" can hold a candle to. No Scott Peterson, or Patrick Frazie's Not even the likes of Ted Bundy or jack The Ripper can come close to the threat of ISIS ideology.

These young women were brought up to believe the myth that we are all alike, that people are basically good no matter the race, religion, or circumstance... And it cost them their lives.

 

[Safeguard]

don't watch the video and do not read about it. Protect yourself from evil.

And yet, here you are...Posting and reading about it.

"I'm devastated by it," says AlDe'emeh (29). Years ago he went undercover with IS - who claimed the murder of the young women - and as a result was put on a death list of the Islamic terror organization.

"It is repulsive, barbaric. But this is the reality we have to face. This is what we will have to face more and more if we keep closing our eyes. We do not realise what hundreds of thousands of people in the Islamic world, religiously indoctrinated and radicalised, are capable of. Keep away, especially from remote areas, it is far too dangerous!"

Closing your eyes to evil doesn't protect you from it. Your best hope is to see it first.

 

[Lilibet]

We here on Webslueths, live and breath violent crime day in and day out. We view autopsy photo's (JBR anyone?), bloody crime scene pics, and discuss in great detail the horrors that human kind inflicts on one another all the time. Often there is extreme imagined embellishment of what a victims "Last Moments" may have been like...It's a bit like the pot calling the kettle black to suggest that anyone who views this particular video is somehow an aberrant, disrespectful gore monger, and those who choose not to are somehow morally superior or more spiritually enlightened. IMO.

I do have a fantastic imagination. Which is partly why I did view the crime as it happened. I was not going to simply read what others would have me believe happens. As it turned out, many of the accounts were inaccurate. For instance there was no "Crying and screaming for help in vein"...

It was desperately sad, heinous and yes even injurious to the soul, but are any of these cases we dissect in such great detail any less so? I would say, no, IMO they are not.

I do feel I learned more than I knew before about the kind of savages that commit these murders. They casually chat amongst themselves, (much like I have heard hunters do!), as they complete their deadly task. They provided ample evidence to their identities, and a singularly descriptive composite of the mindset capable of such despicable evil.

These girls have my heart, their family's have my heart, and no, I don't believe shouldering the horror of the true account of Luisa's last moments was in any way disrespectful, on the contrary I now know the truth, and can stand in absolute solidarity with them.

Quite frankly, on threads I do none of the things you describe in your first paragraph, so I’m not holding myself to a double standard here. And please don’t put words in my mouth (or anyone else’s) about how we view people who watch the video. No one has said or implied any of the things you ascribe to those who don’t want to watch it. I’m sorry if any of my wording in response to ones who think everyone should watch the video has given you the wrong impression.

If you want to watch it and feel you benefitted from watching it, that’s certainly your choice. Those of us who choose not to watch have good reasons and shouldn’t be told we are hypocrites or criticized for being here.

 

[Lass from Yorkshire]

Quite frankly, on threads I do none of the things you describe in your first paragraph, so I’m not holding myself to a double standard here. And please don’t put words in my mouth (or anyone else’s) about how we view people who watch the video. No one has said or implied any of the things you ascribe to those who don’t want to watch it. I’m sorry if any of my wording in response to ones who think everyone should watch the video has given you the wrong impression.

If you want to watch it and feel you benefitted from watching it, that’s certainly your choice. Those of us who choose not to watch have good reasons and shouldn’t be told we are hypocrites or criticized for being here.

Thank goodness for Lilibet!

 

[Lilibet]

Thank goodness for Lilibet!

And for you!

 

[Vail]

While the debate over whether to watch a woman get brutally beheaded has had interesting and thoughtful comments from both perspectives, your energy may be better used pondering the question of whether this act hints at a bigger problem growing in Morocco or not.

Here is an update:
How suspects who 'slaughtered two Scandinavian backpackers hastily-organised terror cell' | Daily Mail Online

Ahead of the murders, the four main suspects are alleged to have hastily formed a terrorist "cell", recruiting as many as 15 others into it.
They then agreed "under the influence of their emir" - said to be a 25-year-old street vendor - to commit a terrorist act, authorities claim.

 

[Lilibet]

While the debate over whether to watch a woman get brutally beheaded has had interesting and thoughtful comments from both perspectives, your energy may be better used pondering the question of whether this act hints at a bigger problem growing in Morocco or not.

Here is an update:
How suspects who 'slaughtered two Scandinavian backpackers hastily-organised terror cell' | Daily Mail Online

Ahead of the murders, the four main suspects are alleged to have hastily formed a terrorist "cell", recruiting as many as 15 others into it.
They then agreed "under the influence of their emir" - said to be a 25-year-old street vendor - to commit a terrorist act, authorities claim.

Yes, that debate has run its course I hope. I think this act points to a growing problem, not just in Morocco, but everywhere. When people decide to hate, and view a particular group of people as the source of their problems, it can lead to horrific actions of various kinds. I just visited the Holocaust Museum in Washington D.C. which starkly illustrates the mindset leading to genocide of so-called “enemies.” But lone wolf individuals or groups can act on that as well, even here in this country.

 

[ZaZara]

Detenido en Marrakech un hispanosuizo relacionado con los acusados de matar a dos turistas escandinavas

The Moroccan authorities reported on Saturday that they have arrested a man with dual Swiss and Spanish nationality, currently living in the Maghrebi country, allegedly linked to those arrested for the murder of two Scandinavian tourists in a mountainous region in Morocco.

The Central Bureau of Judicial Investigation (BCIJ) of Morocco reported that the arrest took place in Marrakech and that the arrested person, whose identity has not been revealed, is someone "of extremist and violent ideology," according to a statement.

'The BCIJ has arrested this Saturday a Swiss citizen, with Spanish nationality and resident in Morocco for alleged links with some detainees in connection with the judicial inquiry opened in the case of the murder of two tourists, a Norwegian and a Danish, in the commune of Imlil,' the statement said.

The Moroccan authorities have already arrested the alleged perpetrators of the mid-December terrorist attack on the two Nordic tourists, an attack perpetrated by four terrorists who recorded a video in which they appear to pledge allegiance to the Jihadist group Islamic State (IS).

According to the BCIJ investigation, the man was arrested "this Saturday in Marrakech, he has an extremist and violent ideology."

"He is suspected of being linked to certain people arrested in connection with this case to whom he taught to use new communication technologies and to train them" in the use of firearms, says the Moroccan communiqué.

Also, the Moroccan judicial body adds that the detainee would have participated in recruitment campaigns of Moroccan citizens and others from sub-Saharan countries to commit terrorist actions in Morocco, against "foreign interests", without giving more details.

They add that the detainee, who joins the 19 Moroccans arrested so far in this case, also planned to organize attacks against the security forces to appropriate their weapons.

The BCIJ also underlines that this individual is in pre-trial detention, under the supervision of the Anti-Terrorist Prosecutor's Office, to be questioned about the details of his alleged terrorist plans.

A first group of fifteen arrested for their involvement in this terrorist murder is scheduled to appear tomorrow before the attorney general of the Salé Court of Appeal, which has national and exclusive jurisdiction to investigate terrorist offences.


BBM


Weren't they depicted as a group of evil amateurs? All of a sudden the plumber, the carpenter and the street vendors have a foreign trainer for communication technology and the use of firearms. Makes one wonder...... hmm.

 

[Safeguard]

A frank discussion of these murders will likely be difficult. Some inconvenient truths are unavoidable, but won't go over well...

These women were in an area where the population is 90+ Sunni Muslims. The press played down the cause of death, ("Injuries to the neck area" BBC, CNN Etc... ) until the the video made it impossible to deny that they were beheaded.

They were warned, by local guides, not to camp by tbemselves in the isolated area they chose because it's, "unsafe"

Then the press attempted the "lone wolf" angle, but since the terrorists pledged aligence to ISIS both before and during the attack... it's really not rocket science...

 

[Pi Thoughts]

Moroccan prosecutors have filed preliminary terrorism charges against 15 people who are suspected of links to the killing of two Scandinavian women in the Atlas Mountains.
Morocco's public prosecutor said in a statement that the charges include forming a gang to prepare and commit terrorist acts and premeditated murder.
Three of the suspects faced additional charges for allegedly urging the others to commit acts of terrorism.
Terror charges filed against 15 over tourist killings

 

[Safeguard]

I am so pissed off! Just LOVE these girls! The more I learn about them, the more I love them...So full of life, adventure and "Here I come world!" spirit!

OMG! We have lost so much! Not more than their families, I know, but young people like these are the saving grace of this world...

One thing I hope isn't the take-away message from this tragic loss, is that it's wrong to see the good in people. I feel these young women would hate it if that was the lasting message people received from them.

Stereo types abound, (Usually for a reason.), But there are plenty of exceptions also. And unfortunately many lovely people suffer from similarities they may, inadvertently, share with Evil people, that are beyond their control.

Skin color, religion, geographic area of origin...So many things that good, kind people might have in common with monsters, but that does not mean each person we meet should be viewed through a lens of suspicion and fear.

As we journey together into this next year, I pray, ( because that's just how I roll...), that we can accept that there are good and bad in all cultures and use common sense to access our personal safety as we travel through our lives.

There's a multitude of friends I have been blessed with in my life, since I moved to Boston, ( and before!), SO many different colors and kinds, I can't begin to tell ya... Don't miss out on the friendship and good times because of fear. Or some misguided political stance that doesn't begin to take in the complexities of human lives.

Live your lives with love as the base, and the intelligent awareness that not all others will do the same. Do not "hate" just because you are told you should, or you know of a reason why you might...Please think for yourselves. Love hugely, but never take for granted ANYTHING to try and prove a point .

There is no reason why these two young women are not here with us as we enter this new year, except that they disregarded good advice, chose to believe they were invincible and no one would ever harm them ,and had the greivious misfortune to be preyed upon by monsters.

Using COMMON SENSE does not make you a RACIST!

If your child had a friend, whose home they played at, and you knew the parents had guns... Wouldn't you want to know a little bit about the family and how the guns are stored?

The same process should apply for anything with the potential to harm, religion NOT excluded.

 

[ZaZara]

Assassinio turiste Marocco, svizzero arrestato, noto a polizia GE

The man, of Swiss and Spanish nationality, arrested on 29 December in Morocco for alleged links with the murder of two Scandinavian tourists, was known by the Geneva police for a series of common crimes committed between 2007 and 2013.

Suspected of Islamist radicalisation, he left Switzerland for Morocco in 2015.

This is what the spokesperson of the Federal Department of Justice and Police (FDJP), Anne-Florence Débois, indicates, when asked by the agency Keystone-ATS. The offences committed in Geneva include violations of the law on drugs, theft, robbery, damage to property, assault and marital violence.

The federal and Geneva police authorities are aware of the arrest, the spokesperson explains, pointing out that the Federal Office of Police fedpol is in close contact with its partners in Switzerland and abroad to carry out the necessary clarifications and facilitate all exchanges of information on the case. The federal authorities are also in contact with Moroccan, Spanish, Danish and Norwegian authorities.

The Office of the Attorney General of Switzerland (MPC) notes that it has not yet opened criminal proceedings in the case. "Responsibility for the investigation lies with the authorities in the territory where the crime was committed."

In Morocco, the man is "suspected of having taught some of the people involved in the affair the means of communication arising from new technologies and of having trained them to shoot a gun," said the Central Moroccan Bureau of Investigation Judiciaire (BCIJ) at the time of arrest.


BBM


Unfortunately, this is a pattern that has become more common. Petty criminal converts to islam and thus finds support and incitement for severe crimes and jihad.

 

[ZaZara]

Hispano-Swiss Suspect Involved in Imlil Murders is a 'Muslim Convert'

Born Zoller G.K to a Swiss father and Spanish mother, the suspect converted to Islam in 2011 in Geneva’s Grand Mosque. After conversion, Zoller picked Abdellah as his Muslim name. The name remained his nom de guerre as his conversion to his new religion was quickly followed by radicalization.

Prior to moving to Morocco in 2015, Abellah had already earned himself Geneva’s radicalized circles. In 2014, at the peak of his radicalization phase in Geneva, he even attacked jewelry to “finance his jihad and donate the rest of his war booty to ISIS,” a group to which he is believed to have pledged allegiance.

According to Moroccan news outlet Le 360, Abdellah was fully radicalized by 2014, a year before he moved to Morocco. A source from the Moroccan government confirmed the news to Morocco World News.

By the time he established himself in Marrakech, his Moroccan “home,” Abdellah’ Islamist background had experienced a slight growth: from a lone pro-ISIS jewelry shop attacker, he had established himself as a recruiter, luring a number of his relatives to join radicalized cells.


BBM

 

[ZaZara]

Exclusive. Terrorist attack in Imlil. Who is Zoller, the Spanish-Swiss suspect arrested by the BCIJ?


Le360 was able to obtain exclusive information about the Spanish-Swiss suspect, arrested yesterday Saturday 29 December by the BCIJ as part of the investigation into the murder of two Scandinavian tourists on the night of 16-17 December in Imlil, Al Haouz province.

We know a little more about the identity and background of the Swiss national, also of Spanish nationality and living in Morocco, who was arrested yesterday, Saturday 29 December, by members of the BCIJ anti-terrorist brigade as part of the investigation into the murder of two Scandinavian tourists on the night of 16 to 17 December 2018 in Imlil, Al Haouz province.

According to exclusive information obtained by Le360, the suspect, Zoller G.K., who became "Abdellah" following his conversion to Islam in 2011 in the Great Mosque of Geneva, has been living in Marrakech since 2015.

Before coming to Morocco, the suspect, whose father was Swiss and whose mother was Spanish, had intended to attack a jewellery store in Geneva to finance his jihadist equipment and grant the rest of his "loot" to the Daech leadership.

After his first armed crime, and not his last, "Abdellah" (his Muslim first name) had succeeded in rallying several members of his family to the Daech network, after having succeeded in converting them to Islam. This recruitment operation dates back to 2014, when the so-called "caliphate" of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi began its decline in the Syrian-Iraqi area.

According to sources to Le360, Zoller's converts, including Swiss and Anglo-Swiss, had planned to join Daech in 2014. One of his contacts, a Swiss man, even managed to join the so-called "Islamic State".

"Abdellah" had therefore very early developed a fascination for Daechet's murderous ideology, long before his arrival in 2015 in Morocco, where "he intended to proclaim jihad"! It is not surprising to note that, as soon as he settled in Marrakech, he forged links with local extremists, including a certain Abdessamad Al Joude, and members of his group.

To this end, he has associated his name with the planning of several attacks targeting tourists and security forces. To do so, he even planned to enrol sub-Saharan Africans in his sinister terrorist enterprise.

There remains his degree of involvement in the criminal and terrorist act that killed the two Scandinavian tourists, Louisa Jespersen (Denmark) and Maren Ueland (Norway), who were murdered by cold hands on the night of 16-17 December at the foot of Mount Toubkal in Imlil. Indeed, our sources establish that he did not physically participate in the Imlil attack, but note that he was in favour of this terrorist enterprise and armed jihad.

Drenched with extremist and violent ideology, he is suspected of teaching some of the defendants in this case the tools of communication via the new applications and training them to shoot, according to a BCIJ press release.

The investigation is still far from having revealed all its secrets. The suspect is currently in police custody for investigation under the supervision of the prosecutor's office in charge of terrorism cases in order to shed light on all criminal acts and terrorist acts he planned to commit or participate in their execution.


BBM


He converted family members? More members of the Swiss - Spanish family GK are jihadists? And where are they now?

 

[Elainera]

Why wasn't he in prison in Switzerland?

 

[ZaZara]

Maren Ueland er blevet obduceret

The preliminary autopsy report, which gives the answer to how the Norwegian woman Maren Ueland was killed, is now ready, the Norwegian police informs.

After a hike with the 24-year-old Danish woman Louisa Vesterager Jespersen, both women were found killed near the village of Imil in Morocco on Monday 17 December. 20 people have been arrested in connection with the murder, of which 15 are charged with acts of terrorism, including the execution of the murder, which, according to the public prosecutor in Rabat, was planned.

Jonas Fabritius Christoffersen, communications advisor for the Norwegian criminal police confirms to TV2 Norway that the autopsy of Maren Ueland has been done, but does not want to get into details."The content of the report is communicated to the relatives via their assistance lawyer," according to Jonas Christoffersen.

Family assistance lawyer, Ragnar Falck, tells TV2 Norway that he has told the family about the content."I can't describe how the family is doing now, but they are in grief," he says.

It has not yet been determined for practical reasons when the funeral will take place.Norwegian police continue to assist Moroccan police in the investigation of the bestial killing.


BBM

 

[2Hope4]

BACKPACKER MURDERS: ISIS posted grisly images on grieving mom’s Facebook page
"The final thrust of the knife used to decapitate two backpackers in the hills of Morocco was figurative.

For a twisted ideology rooted in the 1500s like the one ISIS follows the cut was most modern.

ISIS fanatics who murdered tourists Dane Louisa Vesterager Jespersen, 24, and Norwegian Maren Ueland, 28, while they slept, used social media to spread their vile message.

The suspected killers posted gruesome images of the murders on Ueland’s mother Irene’s Facebook page.
And they celebrated “Allah’s will” by sending the images via private messenger to the two women’s wide circle of friends, Danish media is reporting."

Words fail me. I can't describe the level of evil to not only kill and behead someone, but to then send photos and videos of the murder to the family and friends?!?! WHY?!?! Barbaric!

 

[Safeguard]

The reporting on this crime is terrible. I realize "News" reporting has gone drastically down hill in general, but here are some of the reports I find perplexing :

"The pair were stabbed multiple times before the killers slit their throats and decapitated them" in the crime which shook the world."
Morocco murders: Swiss man linked to beheadings arrested

There are other reports that just one women was beheaded, (and one nearly so)... There are also reports that the video of luisa's murder was not filmed where her body was found. That is very likely true if the women were found, one inside and one just outside, their own (very small tent), yet we have no real reports of how the men carried out their plan of attack, and where they took the women to kill them... ( and why bother to return them to their tent?).

Hotel employees reported seeing the two women with three men at their hotel shortly before they left for their hike. I remember reading that early on, but never got a clear sense of what the connection was, if any, to their deaths.

I wonder who the men were, and if these men have any connection to the murders?
Could they have been the same men charged with the crime? ( That would explain why no one seems to want an interview with men the girls were seen with on their final day of life.)...


One of the parents is repeatedly quoted as saying, " the girls took their safety very seriously. They took all the necessary safety precautions before leaving on the trip".

This is certainly inconsistent with their behavior in Morocco, and also not one word about what those "safety precautions " they purportedly took prior to leaving, actually consisted of.
What were they, I wonder?

Why did they ignore the safety advice they were given by local experts? ( Could the "men" they conversed with at their hotel, have offered to watch out for them under the pretext that they too would be camping nearby, thus the women may have felt they were not "two women alone" in a dangerous area? ).

We know who killed them, and how they died, but what with camera's in the area, and all the details that must surly be available, I still cannot get a sense of the whole crime as it went down.
Even headlines like, "Details of the Women's Last Day Revealed" reveal nothing except the fragmented account we initially got.

 

[ZaZara]

Words fail me. I can't describe the level of evil to not only kill and behead someone, but to then send photos and videos of the murder to the family and friends?!?! WHY?!?! Barbaric!

I'm not sure it happened that way, because Maren and Louisa were attacked during the night and how would the murderers know their names and the FB of their family?
IMHO the terrorists uploaded their video, thanks to the training of their Spanish - Swiss friend Zoller, and once the news got out, people in Morocco started to connect the video and the names, and found their FB and from there their families and friends on FB.

I remember reading somewhere that some of the messages were in fact condolences, I cannot find the source now but if this is so, why would anyone in their right mind add the video? Can't imagine that it would ease the pain of the relatives either.



BTW 'Barbaric' stems from Barbarian and Morocco is located in the area that used to be called the Barbary Coast. Marrakech was a center for the slave trade and many blonde European women were traded there. Between 1 million and 1.25 million Europeans were captured between the 16th and 19th centuries by Barbary corsairs, who were vassals of the Ottoman Empire, and sold as slaves

 

[ZaZara]

Louisas lillesøster til TV 2: - Det er motbydelig og uhyggelig

"Christmas has not been nice. We in the family have been crying every day since we got the news," Silke Vesterager Jespersen (22) tells TV 2.

Louisa Vesterager Jespersen's little sister, Silke, tells TV 2 that they have received information about the course of events and how the killings occurred.

"We have been told that both were beheaded and that it happened in a very brutal way. The family has also learned about the arrests that have happened afterwards," she says.

Parts of the murder are captured on a video that has been investigated by police in Norway, Denmark and Morocco. The experts who have seen the video find no reason to believe it is false.The film was spread online at high speed. Among those who have received the video are the deceased's relatives and Prime Minister Erna Solberg.

"I haven't seen the video, nor will I ever do it. I do not want to see the murder of my own sister," Jespersen says.

Why do you think the video has been distributed on the Internet?
"It's very disgusting and scary. I don't understand why anyone does this. It hurts me and my family very much," she says.

Jespersen is happy that Moroccan police have arrested several people in the case. The 22-year-old says she feels a huge anger towards those who killed her sister.
"I hope they get the death penalty and that they willt suffer," says Jespersen.

In the days and weeks ahead, the little sister and the family try to take it one day at a time. She says that they get professional support.

Ragnar Falck Paulsen, assistant attorney for the family of Norwegian Maren Ueland, has been made aware that Louisa Vesterager Jespersen's little sister spoke to TV 2, but does not want to comment on the 22-year-old's statement.

Insert in the article:
The four men suspected of the murders of Maren Uealand and Louisa Vesterager Jesper would have pretended they were shepherds from the area.


BBM