Motive For Murder

[Dallasdon]

I'd like to know if he had issues with other students, i.e. Annie's peers, or was it isolated to Annie? I find it hard to believe that after working there for four years he suddenly had problems with the students treatment of the lab animals. I think he may have pretended to care about the lab animals, but all the time highly resented the fact that he was a high school grad surrounded by doctoral students, and Annie being his same age. He may have had a special resentment to Annie, being that he may have felt he should be the one in control of her. In addition his own wedding was scheduled for sometime late in 2011, while her wedding was going to be at a prestigous Long Island club, and it's been mentioned she was recently talking about her wedding, etc. Her wedding could've further reinforced the difference between his status in life and Annie's. MOO

I REALLY like your "wedding was a trigger" theory.

The whole reason Clark delayed the wedding for so long was to save money, and as you stated, Annie's elaborate wedding plans, always talking about it, etc. probably played at least a part in this.

 

[panthera]

Bolded by me

I completely agree...if there's not a pattern of issues with other students - I have to ask: WHY ANNIE?

Exactly! If this is just about a disagreement over the treatment of lab animals, I can't believe everybody else in those four years met up to his "standards". I think there's a lot more to it than that. MOO

 

[panthera]

JMO Annie was a brilliant, beautiful, young woman with a bright future. I really am starting to think that in his mind (noting the myspace page where he repeated his interest in ) women were put on earth to serve him, or something to that effect. Seems that people that get caught up in have a completely distorted view of gender roles. I think that in his mind, Annie should have been following his directions. The fact that she was academically advanced may have been fuel to his fire. He may have harbored that resentment and had fantasies to dominate her. Sorry if anyone posted anything similar to this.

Don't apologize ~ this is for theories! I agree with you, btw! MOO

 

[Chanler]

I'm sure he wasn't the only animal tech for that building. They had to have had someone else come and take over. As for Annie, another researcher or the PI is probably doing whatever is necessary to care for the mice on the research end.

Thanks, MissyJane, you're thoughtful; but, to be truthful, I wasn't worried about the mice at all.

 

[Columbo]

Here is a photo where he is wearing scrubs but I am not sure when or where it was taken...

http://www.cbsnews.com/elements/2009/09/16/crimesider/photoessay5314972_1_16_photo.shtml

EWWWwwww. He looks creepy. Scary.

 

[Chanler]

Hi Chanler - Taking care of cages, taking on the responsibility of his job as animal tech was a job he was being paid for. Are you saying your friend at MIT had a paying job or were the skirmishes between roomies?

If Clark had OCD issues, power and control issues, rarely is this manifested in just one relationship...it's usually a person's pattern of relating to others. If we hear from the other PhD students that he exhibited inappropriate expectations regarding his animals, I will then direct my anger toward Yale for not addressing the problem earlier.

Hi, Eyes4crime, my girlfriend did her graduate work at MIT; she did her work in architecture, but some of the issues (which, by the way, were not with her) are the same. While I was visiting on weekends, I heard about small problems, mostly just kvetching, not arguments, in the studios, and in biology labs and in the computer department. (Considering the time that people spent, literally lived in these places and people's different expectations, I was impressed by how well everyone got along.)

It's possible that Clark didn't accept the authority or status of Annie Le, partly because of her size, gender, and perhaps her ethnicity. As a very bright third year student with strong work motivation, she might have not displayed the respect he imagined that he deserved.

 

[Emma Peel]

What a bully. I hope they eventually put him in the general population where he can get to box someone in his own weight class.

OMG - just spit out my wine on the screen.

 

[passionflower]

Lewis said Le, 24, was not sexually assaulted. He called her strangulation death a case of "workplace violence" but would not say what triggered the attack.

 

[panthera]

Lewis said Le, 24, was not sexually assaulted. He called her strangulation death a case of "workplace violence" but would not say what triggered the attack.

And with that I don't believe he fantasized about a relationship with her. It's just the opposite, imo, he disliked and resented her ~ on several levels. MOO

 

[passionflower]

His tattoos look kind of sissy. But he has some big biceps. I'm 6'2" 185 lbs. and I wouldn't want to fight him. Annie never really had a chance. What a bully. I hope they eventually put him in the general population where he can get to box someone in his own weight class.

The tattoos are in an odd spot to me.....usually aren't they up higher for the muscles?.....both the same........bondage? high bracelets? one TV guy called them herringbone look????

 

[passionflower]

And with that I don't believe he fantasized about a relationship with her. It's just the opposite, imo, he disliked and resented her ~ on several levels. MOO

yes, I think it was a hate thing also, now........she rubbed him the wrong way maybe for a while and it just broke out that day.
Maybe he has a problem with all women in authority????

 

[Very Interesting]

Earlier today, I had said at work not anyone was believing the WorkPlace Violence scenario at all.

After I had seen some other people at my job looking at CNN about it, and they were not believing it either.
Many saying a person does not murder a girl at the workplace over a mouse cage, no way at all.

A few women said the girl was doing him, we are women we know, she was just having alittle fun before her marriage, though was doing the wrong guy.

My opinion from start has been illicit affair caused the murder.

I watched Nancy Grace tonight and it just made me think more, something just isn’t right about all of it.

Definitely from watching this tonight, I have impression that Yale is keeping a lot of things close to its vest about things that happened. Do not really understand how they have authority to do this though?

It also sounds alittle like the police were trying to get the suspect to incriminate himself before he got a lawyer, and they are little angry he did this.

The guy doesn’t really seem to have a history of violence (just the one incident) was social, he worked at Yale almost five years with no problems??

Something really doesn’t smell right in Yale and New Haven about all of this. Though I guess we wont know until trial begins, and they start releasing all the details.

Opinion: I am still thinking not just a WorkPlace Violence situation, and is a lot that hasn’t been said or revealed yet. Still think they were having illicit affair and that is what triggered it. Don’t know how many times I have heard,” I cant believe she would do that, or I cant believe he would do that. They just are not that way” (when it comes to affairs). And I too dont think he murdered her because of a mouse cage, there was alot more to it

 

[eyes4crime]

Lewis said Le, 24, was not sexually assaulted. He called her strangulation death a case of "workplace violence" but would not say what triggered the attack.

So that's where the category 'work place violence' came from! His defense attorney? So murdering a young, brilliant, caring, loving, woman, folding her in half, and stuffing her behind a wall is nothing more than work place violence? What a minimization of what happened to beautiful Annie - doesn't surprise me at all to hear who it came from. Are we supposed to get the picture in our heads that some man threw his papers in the air out of frustration? Sorry, but I feel furious about the category...work place violence. women everywhere should be furious mho :furious:

 

[jjenny]

There is no evidence whatsoever the two ever had any kind of romantic relationship. And I am pretty sure police looked into it, yet they say workplace violence.
My guess is she barely knew the guy, and didn't think about him twice.

 

['Ailina]

I'd like to know what you all think...

Aside from remorse, which I would put in a different category, would you say killing Annie had a traumatic effect on Clark, too?

That is to say, do you think the experience was psychologically shocking for him? In a negative way? In a pleasurable way? Both?

Just curious.

 

[ArkansasMom]

Does anyone know what she did over the summer - was she at the university? I find the timing of this within just days of fall semester having started a little curious.

 

[jjenny]

So that's where the category 'work place violence' came from! His defense attorney? So murdering a young, brilliant, caring, loving, woman, folding her in half, and stuffing her behind a wall is nothing more than work place violence? What a minimization of what happened to beautiful Annie - doesn't surprise me at all to hear who it came from. Are we supposed to get the picture in our heads that some man threw his papers in the air out of frustration? Sorry, but I feel furious about the category...work place violence. women everywhere should be furious mho :furious:

Workplace violence term came from the police chief. Why exactly should anybody be furious about that? Police described it that way.

 

[nursebeeme]

you know, I am just going to go out on a limb and say this: I think he is a guy with control issues that snapped. The more I am researching about workplace violence it is completely fitting this picture for me.

And I think that is also what is the hardest to swallow. That an otherwise "normal" guy with control issues could go into such a blind rage over such small stuff... but it happens every day with road rage. I am seriously leaning toward the theory that he went from 0-100 in a split second over something stupid that they were arguing about.

I posted a statistic on the workplace violence thread... did you know that workplace violence is the number four killer of people while at work? Is that nuts or what?

What is different about THIS case (if it is indeed workplace violence) is that usually cases of workplace violence are posted in the "crimes in the news" section! They are not to be found in the "missing" section of websleuths! Usually they are some disgruntled, angry person hell bent on controlling a situation that kills someone in front of everyone else... they then kill themselves or are quickly caught. In this case... he was in an isolated room in a basement of a lab building... when he had figured out what he had done and there was no one to see the crime his self preservation kicked in so he hid the evidence.

The girl was missing... so the unfolding of the case... well your mind just doesn't start going down the workplace violence road ya know?

Just my thoughts and sorry for the long rambling post...

 

[jnTexas]

I wanted to ask this question, and I cannot find a thread on this topic. She was found in a very small cramped chase space. Is there a chance she was put in there alive and died from asphyxiation from her body being compressed in the space? Wasn't there a time of death mentioned somewhere of 10:40pm?

Just wondering if anyone else thinks this could be possible...

 

[t93]

I really do think that old Myspace link was a joke. I know of young people who make up Myspace pages for their buddies because the buddy doesn't have one. So they make up these fake ones with the most outrageous stuff written on the that the prankster can come up with. Dead giveaway is usually "Tom" is the only friend. I would be looking at Facebook sooner. Facebook is usually the only social engine most people have as they get older because Myspace is really a hassle and less private. I think the shared Myspace with the girlfriend is the only legit one. I would not read anything into the Myspace with only "Tom" as their friend.