MOTIVE - IF Raven, then why?

[Jenifred]

Just thinking. If they had internet access in their home, since it was reported that maybe Janet was IMing that evening, what kind of connection would they have had? And would it have required a land line? I'm in a far away place from the States, but we were required to have a land line for DSL. Is that the same in the States?

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Just thinking. If they had internet access in their home, since it was reported that maybe Janet was IMing that evening, what kind of connection would they have had? And would it have required a land line? I'm in a far away place from the States, but we were required to have a land line for DSL. Is that the same in the States?

No, I have a cable connection ... no land line needed. Of course, in some places it is much more expensive than dial-up so someone that is in dire financial straits might be better with dial-up.

I think that the cell phone might just be a convenient excuse ... one that might have been planned out ahead of time just in case. If they didn't have a land line, I am positive that a responsible young mother like Janet would have kept her cell phone in the same location when she was home so that it could be found quickly and easily in an emergency.

 

[ewwwinteresting]

No, I have a cable connection ... no land line needed. Of course, in some places it is much more expensive than dial-up so someone that is in dire financial straits might be better with dial-up.

I think that the cell phone might just be a convenient excuse ... one that might have been planned out ahead of time just in case. If they didn't have a land line, I am positive that a responsible young mother like Janet would have kept her cell phone in the same location when she was home so that it could be found quickly and easily in an emergency.

I personally don't think limiting what you have/changing what you have because you are in "dire financial straits" ever entered Raven's mind!

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

I personally don't think limiting what you have/changing what you have because you are in "dire financial straits" ever entered Raven's mind!

I agree. So I think it's entirely possible that they did NOT have a land line. But I can't see Janet not keeping the phone in the same location all of the time if that was their link to the outside world in an emergency. With a 6 month-old baby in the house, you need to know where the phone is, IMO, and I believe that Janet would have felt the same way.

 

[icare]

Thanks icare! What else can you tell us about the crime scene? Anything? Does your very close source (after talking to Raven) have a different possible scenerio of what happened that night...I'm trying to find something...anything that says it was somebody else!

Everything I know, you already know. From what I understand they did not have a land line and he said that he had to "run to the car to get the cell phone to cal 911"

Wish that I had more to tell you!

If I hear of anything new, I'll let you all know

 

[NCBanker]

I think you're onto something here... While we have no clue what he pawned, this seems like the most plausible conclusion. Excellent work!!!

2. Raven was selling stolen merchandise on ebay. Then he was caught and arrested. He had stolen merchandise hidden that LE didn't find (maybe in a storage facility, storage sheds out back, attic, garage, etc.) and knew he couldn't sell it on ebay without getting caught so he started pawning the items.

 

[bluegirl]

I personally don't think limiting what you have/changing what you have because you are in "dire financial straits" ever entered Raven's mind!

Obviously we don't know what was going on in Raven's mind. He has been clinical diagnoised with bipolar disorder. I know he would go through periods of time when he wouldn't take his medication. We need to search more into his health.

 

[Moxie]

Money.

We need to follow the money trail here. Debts, jobs held, jobs lost, possible prior embezzlements.

Money.

 

[snapple]

Money.

We need to follow the money trail here. Debts, jobs held, jobs lost, possible prior embezzlements.

Money.

I think we've found an aspect of the money trail in the thread "Love or Money" started by NCBanker. Maybe this fund idea was an after thought to Raven, but IMO, benefitting finacially was the motive behind that article and it only adds to the idea that Raven would do ANYTHING for money. Money seems to be the only motivating factor in his life.

 

[ewwwinteresting]

I think we've found an aspect of the money trail in the thread "Love or Money" started by NCBanker. Maybe this fund idea was an after thought to Raven, but IMO, benefitting finacially was the motive behind that article and it only adds to the idea that Raven would do ANYTHING for money. Money seems to be the only motivating factor in his life.[/QUOTE]

Gee, where would you have come up with that idea?

 

[ewwwinteresting]

Obviously we don't know what was going on in Raven's mind. He has been clinical diagnoised with bipolar disorder. I know he would go through periods of time when he wouldn't take his medication. We need to search more into his health.

BG, is this confirmed? Do you know what medication he was taking or supposed to be taking?

 

[Jenifred]

Obviously we don't know what was going on in Raven's mind. He has been clinical diagnoised with bipolar disorder. I know he would go through periods of time when he wouldn't take his medication. We need to search more into his health.

I don't think that we know for sure if he was diagnosed with bi-polar disorder or not.

BTW bluegirl, what was the connection that you were talking about earlier with the media?

 

[dbmthur]

I'm new here so not sure if this has already been stated but I noticed when viewing their x-mas video that he said he collected knives? Maybe that is what was pawned? Some of the knives out of his collection...


Also has he shown any violence before this...I know that it was mentioned that he had a bad temper but has there been any incidence of spousal abuse prior to her murder that anyone knows about.

I'm sorry if this has already been answered...I haven't went through all the posts on the forum yet but those were 2 things that jumped out at me as I was reading....

 

[ewwwinteresting]

I'm new here so not sure if this has already been stated but I noticed when viewing their x-mas video that he said he collected knives? Maybe that is what was pawned? Some of the knives out of his collection...


Also has he shown any violence before this...I know that it was mentioned that he had a bad temper but has there been any incidence of spousal abuse prior to her murder that anyone knows about.

I'm sorry if this has already been answered...I haven't went through all the posts on the forum yet but those were 2 things that jumped out at me as I was reading....

Gee, why not

So far, there has been no confirmed physical spousal abuse.

 

[NCBanker]

I seriously doubt Janet would stick around for that. I'm sure she was athletically fit enough to also give him a run for his money if he ever approached her in that manner.

Gee, why not

So far, there has been no confirmed physical spousal abuse.

 

[golfmom]

I seriously doubt Janet would stick around for that. I'm sure she was athletically fit enough to also give him a run for his money if he ever approached her in that manner.

IDK, sure looks like she stuck around through some serious emotional abuse and her husband's inability to keep his private parts in his pants.

 

[NCBanker]

I'm so glad you're back! I've really missed your dry humor!

IDK, sure looks like she stuck around through some serious emotional abuse and her husband's inability to keep his private parts in his pants.

 

[NCBanker]

Well not that I've ever been unfaithful to my wife, but I'd like to think she'd stick around and try to work things out if I did. I certainly would if the roles were reversed.

However, if I EVER laid a hand on her, you can rest assured she'd be out the door with the kids and the dog faster than you can say "I'm in big trouble."

IDK, sure looks like she stuck around through some serious emotional abuse and her husband's inability to keep his private parts in his pants.

 

[Jenifred]

IDK, sure looks like she stuck around through some serious emotional abuse and her husband's inability to keep his private parts in his pants.

We Mormons believe that when we are sealed in the Temple, it is for time and all eternity (past the death us do part in most marriages). So, I'm sure that most would say that they would give a cheating spouse another chance. I know, even if I weren't Mormon, I'd give my husband a second chance (if it were an indiscression committed once not an ongoing relationship). But gosh darn it, if he tried doing it again, he'd say bye-bye to a lot of his paycheck and his kiddos too.

 

[golfmom]

We Mormons believe that when we are sealed in the Temple, it is for time and all eternity (past the death us do part in most marriages). So, I'm sure that most would say that they would give a cheating spouse another chance. I know, even if I weren't Mormon, I'd give my husband a second chance (if it were an indiscression committed once not an ongoing relationship). But gosh darn it, if he tried doing it again, he'd say bye-bye to a lot of his paycheck and his kiddos too.

I hate to say that Janet is a statistic in any shape or form; to me she was an individual who deserved more than just being labeled on someone's chart as a victim of domestic abuse. We all know that many women stay far too long in relationships hoping that their loved one will change ... whether they're being clubbed upside the head or torn down emotionally.

Mr. P. Ness had numerous affairs, and Janet chose to still put her husband first. She had permission from her church to leave Raven, and still she stayed. She had a loving and supportive family who would have done anything to help her start over. I find her dedication to her husband and son admirable, too bad it doesn't appear that it was reciprocal. Raven was a thief, cheat, liar, and I believe a murderer. He didn't deserve Janet and Janet deserved much better than Raven.