Mr. Clean v. The State and The Tabloids

[TLynn]

When my cell phone is "misplaced" - I call it to see if I can hear it ringing. That would be a phone call.

 

[Toth]

You see the lengths you will go to.
You have this Mr. Clean/Ozzie and Harriet type couple on one side and you have some inadequate bumpkin like Steve Thomas on the other side.
Now you allege that they somehow retroactively misplaced their cell phone intentionally and somehow deleted all those cell phone records instead of simply accepting that your Boy Detective is an idiot.

 

[popcorn]

You better watch out or the Nelson family will sue you for libel. Ozzie never charged the girdle company for personal repairs to his Porshe or plane. (It's called white collar crime. ) And Harriett never pimped out her kids.

John Ramsey wants you to believe they were a normal family but that is his fantasy.

This was John Ramseys second marriage having been sued for divorce for cheating by his first wife.

John Ramsey was emotionally bankrupt and likely psychotic from the death of his daughter Beth.

Mr Clean not.

and Patsy could have books written about her mental health,

OOPs I think she has...

 

[Maxi]

Popcorn, please add something that says the above post is only your opinion. River has asked that we all do that to keep eager beaver civil attys at bay. The easiest way to do it is to go to your user page add a simple "imo" to your signature line -- like mine below.

 

[popcorn]

I see no request that toth do the same for his characture of Steve Thomas.

I didn't know this was a sissy forum. (IMO)

 

[Shylock]

instead of simply accepting that your Boy Detective is an idiot.

Well gee Toth, the idiot "Boy Detective" didn't lose his cell phone now did he?
Which of course raises the question of who really are the "idiots"--the people who claim to have lost their cell phone for a month, or the people who believe them...


IMO

 

[Imon128]

"That" detective was no boy nor is he an idiot. He was/is right on top of things to keep "that child" in our hearts and minds. Some of us want justice for JonBenet and to see how the world can have something good come from her death, if that's possible. Steve Thomas was, in this case and I feel confident still is, a path cutter with a loving heart. JMO

 

[Toth]

And Harriett never pimped out her kids.

Nor has Patsy.

This was John Ramseys second marriage having been sued for divorce for cheating by his first wife.

The marriage was clearly on the rocks; I believe seven marriages ended in divorce that year

John Ramsey was emotionally bankrupt and likely psychotic from the death of his daughter Beth.

Yeah, for a week or so he probably was. By this I guess you mean he was NORMAL.

 

[Jayelles]

The marriage was clearly on the rocks; I believe seven marriages ended in divorce that year.

Well it certainly was after he got caught with his pants down. The RST don't want John to be portrayed as a rat. Better to make excuses for him - "his marriage was already on the rocks". He and Lucinda had a young family for heavens sake. He didn't meet Jody Roberts, fall madly in love with her and have to leave his wife and kids because Jodie was his only love. He stayed with his family and kept the mistress - until he was caught. He is a rat.

Then he tried to blame the mistress for his adultery. He is a rat.

Then he didn't tell his new wife the real reasons for his divorce. He is a rat.

When JonBenet was murdered and it was clear that little details like his divorce were going to come out anyway - he STILL didn't tell Patsy the real reason for his divorce - he let her hear it from the Police. He is a rat.

 

[Imon128]

Nor has Patsy.


The marriage was clearly on the rocks; I believe seven marriages ended in divorce that year

Yeah, for a week or so he probably was. By this I guess you mean he was NORMAL.

How many of those "seven marriages" ending in divorce, also had a dead six year old found dead in their basement?

Normal? John Ramsey wasn't normal.

 

[Toth]

The same number as had an intruder come into their home and kill their six year old daughter as they slept.

 

[popcorn]

Originally Posted by popcorn
"John Ramsey was emotionally bankrupt and likely psychotic from the death of his daughter Beth."

toth's answer
"Yeah, for a week or so he probably was. By this I guess you mean he was NORMAL."

John Ramseys words

Q "Have you ever thought of suicide?"
A "Uh huh... when I was going through a divorce, suicide's an easy way out..and I remember one night thinking about it, but I was at that point, in despair....I don't remember with Beth...that was a hugh loss for me...it took years to get through that."

 

[Toth]

"proof positive" of what???

 

[why_nutt]

"proof positive" of what???

Proof positive that John was clinically depressed before JonBenet's death. He would often wake up in the night crying even years after Beth died. He had suicidal ideation after JonBenet's death, despite claiming that he knew he had every reason to live for John Andrew's, Melinda's and Burke's sakes. That is a classic sign of clinical depression, which is a medical problem, not a simple expression of situational grief. He was prescribed Paxil shortly after December 1996, and he is on it to this day. Paxil is a powerful antidepressant, not prescribed just as a mild crutch to help a man get over a daughter's death. This indicates that John was experiencing a form of mental illness before December 1996, and it was going entirely untreated until after JonBenet's death forced the issue into something which had to be dealt with lest it blow up into some irresponsible behavior leading to a public-relations disaster.

 

[popcorn]

Thank you why_nutt.

 

[Toth]

Paxil? Prozac?

 

[Nehemiah]

Viagra? :crazy:

 

[Toth]

Okay. Lets face it.
On one side we have some "Ozzie and Harriet" types a sort of Mr. and Mrs. Clean and on the opposite side we have the BPD, DA-Hunter, the Mayor, the Governor, the Tabloids, etc. We even have posters who will go to extreme lengths to discount what would otherwise be the most significant evidence: foreign dna under the fingernails and in the panties of a female who has been raped and murdered.

We have people who once they learn about pageants immediately see "stage mothers" and "pedophiles".

We have six cops galivanting off to Michigan to look at a hard drive in case it has pornography on it but we don't have even one cop walking half a block to check on known sex offenders who were then on parole.

We had the first hero in the case: Trip DeMuth an ADA who fought mightly to get decent forensic testing done against the BPD's initial attitude that forensic evidence was meaningless because the parents would just say 'we live there, ofcourse our prints and dna are there' and the BPD's attitude of ''an ADA should shut up unless specifically asked a legal question by the BPD". And we have the second hero of the case: Mike Bynum who clearly heard the sound of a massive railroad train and knew that the Ramseys needed lawyers and needed them fast because it was a campaign to convict the parents not an investigation.

So technically its not solely Mr. and Mrs. Clean versus the overwhelming money and power of The State and The Tabloids, but in effect thats really what it has been.

Discussion thread: WHY such an initial bias? How could such false and misleading guff about 'no footprints in the snow' be propagated so promptly?
But above all else: WHY DOES IT CONTINUE?
Is it that parents in that situation are weak and should somehow be pounced on and pecked to death despite their Ozzie and Harriet status? Or is it because of their "Mr.Clean and Mr.Rich" status that they must endure this continuing nonsense of parental guilt despite overwhelming evidence of an intruder and total lack of any evidence of some sort of instantaneous but transitory pathological homicidal rage?

Although this thread has drifted offtopic, I'd like to mention the cell phone discussions in relation to "Mr.Clean/Ozzie-and-Harriet". Here we have a perfectly normal happening: a misplaced cell phone and also, I think, a request for the records by the BPD prior to the December bills even having been generated. Yet all sorts of nefarious schemes are alleged: John Ramsey is said to have immediately called 'the powers that be' and insisted his cell phone records be totally expunged from all computer systems and all the programmers who did this had no desire to collect the million dollar tabloid reward so they've gone along with the hastily arranged scheme.

The Ramseys having promptly turned over all phone records that they had in their posession (possession?), the lawyers then turning them over to the DA is viewed as some sort of self-serving ploy rather than an example of openness, frankness and prompt response that avoided the delay and cost of the authorities obtaining a subpoena.

 

[Jayelles]

all the programmers who did this had no desire to collect the million dollar tabloid reward ....

You missed out ...."....and go to prison for 10 years on a charge of hacking plus a further 7 years for being an accessory to murder after the fact "

Of course, he would always have his $1m to look forward to...except it would have been depleted to $750,000 since the charge of hacking also carries up to a $250,000 fine.

Well, I suppose some hackers might think it was worth blowing the whistle.

 

[tipper]

You missed out ...."and go to prison for 10 years on a charge of hacking plus a further 7 years for being an accessory to murder after the fact "

Of course, he would always have his $1m to look forward to...except it would have been depleted to $750,000 since the charge of hacking also carries up to a $250,000 fine.

Well, I suppose some hackers might think it was worth blowing the whistle.

I would bet they could easily negotiate immunity for any charges in exchange for testimony.