MS - Jessica Chambers, 19, found burned near her car, Panola County, 6 Dec 2014 - #10

[Classito]

I agree with flatfootjoe, I assume her clothing was burnt off and breasts would have been visible and I also would imagine that her small size made them assume she was young. IIRC Jessica's aunt shared on twitter that Jessica was barely 5 feet tall and only weighed around 95 pounds.

So we know she was found with her breast showing?

You cannot identity a person's age/sex on size/weight..I know many older people who are that size...men and women..

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Classito

 

[flatfootjoe]

So we know she was found with her breast showing?

You cannot identity a person's age/sex on size/weight..I know many older people who are that size...men and women..

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Classito

No, we don't know that, just as we don't know what position she was in relative to the car, standing walking, reclining, prone or supine. I haven't nuanced my statements as fact, and if you had read what I posted, Her clothes if any remained were likely tatters, and burned breasts are still breasts. you would understand that it was supposition and not presented as anything but. Informed and logical supposition, but supposition just the same. He (Cole) deduced the fact somewhere. You can safely assume her hair was for the most part gone, whether it was up down or sideways when it started. Fire is a very unforgiving force, it will burn the fat from a human body given enough time, hair and fabric (especially plastic composites) go quickly. This isn't rocket science. Keeripes

 

[Classito]

and given the fact that Jessica had a very petite frame and weight,

I live in a town of about 300 people..I could name at least 10 people in my area who would fit that profile.

and given the fact that, as FFJ said, she was surely still recognizable as female

Oh..I was not aware FFJ was an official on the facts in this case...Is FFJ a verified insider? Could you share the link that shows the fact that she was recognizable as a female other than the assumptions by the first responder(s)...So far everything I have read only states she was burned beyond recognition..

And FWIW, even though no one but Ali has been cleared, to our knowledge, doesn't mean they are open to sleuthing. WS TOS forbids sleuthing people who have not been named as suspects or persons of interest. If you have info, other than a gut feeling, about the fire chief, or anyone else, that you feel you should share, perhaps you should contact LE. JMO

"Victim Friendly

"....However that does not mean that family members or others cannot come into discussion as the facts and issues of the case are discussed."

As it appears to be a fact that LE have no suspects or persons of interest in this case (that they are willing to share) and we cannot bring any to the table here...then there is no one to be sleuthed...and this thread is pretty much just regurgitation of the same news reports over and over until they give us a suspect/person of interest...IMO....

"but they have no suspects in the case. They need your help to solve it."
http://www.localmemphis.com/story/d/story/new-timeline-released-in-jessica-chambers-murder/36911/UpMqeitq6EuTzszT4v304A

Classito

 

[MyBelle]

No, we don't know that, just as we don't know what position she was in relative to the car, standing walking, reclining, prone or supine. I haven't nuanced my statements as fact, and if you had read what I posted, Her clothes if any remained were likely tatters, and burned breasts are still breasts. you would understand that it was supposition and not presented as anything but. Informed and logical supposition, but supposition just the same. He (Cole) deduced the fact somewhere. You can safely assume her hair was for the most part gone, whether it was up down or sideways when it started. Fire is a very unforgiving force, it will burn the fat from a human body given enough time, hair and fabric (especially plastic composites) go quickly. This isn't rocket science. Keeripes

We don't know to what degree she was burned but to me, if her several layers of clothes had all burned off her body, there is no way she would have been walking around or would her age be recognizable.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

I live in a town of about 300 people..I could name at least 10 people in my area who would fit that profile.

Oh..I was not aware FFJ was an official on the facts in this case...Is FFJ a verified insider? Could you share the link that shows the fact that she was recognizable as a female other than the assumptions by the first responder(s)...So far everything I have read only states she was burned beyond recognition..



"Victim Friendly

"....However that does not mean that family members or others cannot come into discussion as the facts and issues of the case are discussed."

As it appears to be a fact that LE have no suspects or persons of interest in this case (that they are willing to share) and we cannot bring any to the table here...then there is no one to be sleuthed...and this thread is pretty much just regurgitation of the same news reports over and over until they give us a suspect/person of interest...IMO....

"but they have no suspects in the case. They need your help to solve it."
http://www.localmemphis.com/story/d/story/new-timeline-released-in-jessica-chambers-murder/36911/UpMqeitq6EuTzszT4v304A

Classito

I'm also scratching my head as to how those firefighters could tell the age of someone so severely burned on her face. I don't believe her clothes were burned off completely and in the security video it was difficult to determine her gender because of her sloppy clothes. I think it is possible JC was nude or partially so when set on fire and this is a detail LE are withholding.

JMO

 

[samantha17]

As I stated earlier in this thread Lowndes County MS is approximately a 2 hour drive south of Panola County MS .... her car was found burned .... seriously wondering about a connection:

http://www.wcbi.com/wordpress/8000-reward-for-information-leading-to-missing-vernon-al-woman

 

[imkeylime]

As I stated earlier in this thread Lowndes County MS is approximately a 2 hour drive south of Panola County MS .... her car was found burned .... seriously wondering about a connection:

http://www.wcbi.com/wordpress/8000-reward-for-information-leading-to-missing-vernon-al-woman

The thing that immediately struck me is that Keisha (the missing woman) had left her parents' home to run errands before disappearing. The thing that's different, according to the following article at least, is that there was apparently a broken window in the house (her parents' house, I surmise?). There was also blood in the car. Here's a link with more information (a bit hard to follow, IMO):

http://www.onenewspage.com/video/20150305/2616365/Woman-disappearance-mystery.htm

I'm not sensing that there's enough here to make a connection. Then again, what is?

 

[debirlfan]

I would give anything to know who called her on the phone right before she left the house ..... I believe this could probably solve (or help solve) her murder but this should be known by LE by now. I guess they need solid evidence that this was a set-up possibly by the caller and many others .... the many others is probably why this case hasn't been solved.

It wouldn't surprise me if the call was from Sha Sha - supposedly she was brought in because she was in Jessica's phone. That call made right before she went out would be a logical place for the police to start.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I'm also scratching my head as to how those firefighters could tell the age of someone so severely burned on her face. I don't believe her clothes were burned off completely and in the security video it was difficult to determine her gender because of her sloppy clothes. I think it is possible JC was nude or partially so when set on fire and this is a detail LE are withholding.

JMO

Dad worked for LE. They probably knew her car and put 2 + 2 together to know it was mostly likely JC and already knew her age, imo.

 

[DexterMorgan]

Courtland has a population of about 512. I had more kids than that. JMO

You sir have been a busy bee. lol. (just joking. I snipped your comment to have a little fun on a friday night)

 

[Classito]

Dad worked for LE. They probably knew her car and put 2 + 2 together to know it was mostly likely JC and already knew her age, imo.

Remember this was at night time...The car was fully engulfed in flames...according to chief...Doubt they could tell much about it upon arrival..

On another note...Someone has posted on Justice for Jessica asking about the other fire...

And some mysterious photos alleged to be of Jessica have appeared..The person posting them seems to be saying he got them from Jessica when asked where they came from...

"Lisa : Do you recall the date of these photos?"
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1406263496347233&set=o.1551813758389103&type=1&theater

Classito

 

[imkeylime]

Remember this was at night time...The car was fully engulfed in flames...according to chief...Doubt they could tell much about it upon arrival..

On another note...Someone has posted on Justice for Jessica asking about the other fire...

And some mysterious photos alleged to be of Jessica have appeared..The person posting them seems to be saying he got them from Jessica when asked where they came from...

"Lisa : Do you recall the date of these photos?"
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1406263496347233&set=o.1551813758389103&type=1&theater

Classito

I'm totally confused about these photos (granted, I just woke up, but still ...). I guess the one on the left *could* be her, but the one on the right? Or is the point that the one on the left (B&W) kind of resembles the one on the right, though the hair is reddish and eyes brown in that one? Perhaps the question to LD should be is it even JC?

Am I missing something?

 

[BirdycatNY]

I'm totally confused about these photos (granted, I just woke up, but still ...). I guess the one on the left *could* be her, but the one on the right? Or is the point that the one on the left (B&W) kind of resembles the one on the right, though the hair is reddish and eyes brown in that one? Perhaps the question to LD should be is it even JC?

Am I missing something?

The person in the photos doesn't look like JC at all, even if JC had contacts and dark hair. The person in the photos has different nose and face structure imo and looks like someone who probably has dark hair and eyes naturally but tried to lighten it up with red or blonde. Jessica had naturally blonde hair and like most blondes it may have turned darker blonde the older she got, so she may have had it highlighted when older but not dark like girl in pics. Who is person that posted those and why, weird. Jmo/

 

[Classito]

I'm totally confused about these photos (granted, I just woke up, but still ...). I guess the one on the left *could* be her, but the one on the right? Or is the point that the one on the left (B&W) kind of resembles the one on the right, though the hair is reddish and eyes brown in that one? Perhaps the question to LD should be is it even JC?

Am I missing something?

The person who posted them is confident they are her...and when asked where he got them, Jessica is his response...I have seen what makeup and lighting can do and I have seen someone do photo analysis with accuracy to identify a person.... LD is aware the photos are posted but remains quiet on the subject...No denial..no confirmation...If it was me I would be asking tons of questions from this Wilson, especially as they have suggested the photos came from her deceased daughter...

From the Justice for Jessica FB page...the poster asking about the other fire responds, when asked if any luck, says no luck FF says part of investigation...Not sure who/what FF is...

Classito

 

[FelicityLemon]

Some of my comment might be too graphic or offensive for a few peeps, but I'm a practical kind of gal and could be much more graphic/factual for ease of communication.

Breasts or lack thereof aren't the only visual indicator of sex. Just a thought that if her clothes were either entirely burned off or partially. Those cotton or flannel pj bottoms are pretty light and would burn off quite quickly. :/ It's also possible, maybe even probable that firemen, even volunteers, see many burned bodies during training? Varying degrees of burns. These are grown men (not being sexist, just haven't heard the sex stats for this Panola station) who are trained and have some sort of life experience in recognizing male from female unless she was completely incinerated and we have no proof or evidence that she was burned that badly. We don't know the extent of her burns at the time the firemen encountered her, etc. Being burned 98% of her body doesn't mean they're all the same degree.

Experience. Training, gut feeling, instinct, intuition. Experience. This is how human beings, especially trained human beings are able to navigate and survive.

I guess I just don't understand the doubting of a firefighter's recognition of a victim's sex.

I'm not being deliberately obtuse or sarcastic, but why do people doubt the identification given that we have no details to indicate otherwise?

We haven't seen what they saw that night.

 

[imkeylime]

The person who posted them is confident they are her...and when asked where he got them, Jessica is his response...I have seen what makeup and lighting can do and I have seen someone do photo analysis with accuracy to identify a person.... LD is aware the photos are posted but remains quiet on the subject...No denial..no confirmation...If it was me I would be asking tons of questions from this Wilson, especially as they have suggested the photos came from her deceased daughter...

From the Justice for Jessica FB page...the poster asking about the other fire responds, when asked if any luck, says no luck FF says part of investigation...Not sure who/what FF is...

Classito

Well, that's probably true. Actually, there are a couple of pictures of JC on the Justice for Jessica page where her hair does look a lot more auburn or maybe strawberry blonde. The weird thing is that they look like they're from when she's a lot younger. Maybe it was the camera film or a filter or something? Also, maybe my nerves are just raw today, but the B&W shot kind of freaks me out, whether it's JC or not. Maybe it's just because it's so close up, but it feels invasive (or something?) to me. Or is it cropped from another shot perhaps?

Regardless, I'm not positive that the person who apparently posted the photos is a guy. I also wonder if the poster got them from a digital site where they were attributed to JC or something. Something is definitely odd here.

 

[FelicityLemon]

The person in the photos doesn't look like JC at all, even if JC had contacts and dark hair. The person in the photos has different nose and face structure imo and looks like someone who probably has dark hair and eyes naturally but tried to lighten it up with red or blonde. Jessica had naturally blonde hair and like most blondes it may have turned darker blonde the older she got, so she may have had it highlighted when older but not dark like girl in pics. Who is person that posted those and why, weird. Jmo/

Agreed. And the picture is now "unavailable" on fb I saw it five minutes ago, but gone right now. The shape of the eyes, the eyebrows, the nose and her lips are different. It really is amazing how photography, light, angle of face or head can make a huge difference, but in this case, that's a different girl IMO.

imkeylime: I was thinking that too, that she girl in the photo looks like it could be a very young Jessica, but at the same time, there was something not quite right. If she was as young as I (think I remember) thought at the time, I was thinking like 10 or 11, would her mom have allowed her hair to be dyed?

Eerie.

I'm going to guess that was a fake post/photos since they've been pulled.

 

[BirdycatNY]

The person who posted them is confident they are her...and when asked where he got them, Jessica is his response...I have seen what makeup and lighting can do and I have seen someone do photo analysis with accuracy to identify a person.... LD is aware the photos are posted but remains quiet on the subject...No denial..no confirmation...If it was me I would be asking tons of questions from this Wilson, especially as they have suggested the photos came from her deceased daughter...

From the Justice for Jessica FB page...the poster asking about the other fire responds, when asked if any luck, says no luck FF says part of investigation...Not sure who/what FF is...

Classito

Makeup and lighting can't change a person's nose structure. JC had a flater nose and the person in the FB pics nose is not (look at face structure between eyes and nose and depth). So unless Jessica had a fractured nose or weight gain, I still don't think it's Jessica. Blondes hair does get darker and lighter (depending on summer etc), but the girl in the pic looks to me like she is not a natural blonde. I am blonde and my hair does get darker, but I just don't see it from the pics/

BUT wouldn't it be weird if there is someone who is impersonating Jessica like let's say they have her ID and information and are trying to look like her. That would be interesting...so the person who posted those photos may be questioned. What if JC's perps stole her purse and committing some form of ID theft, not likely but it would be interesting. Regardless, person who posted may have to answer to someone on where/how/who he got them from. If it's a ruse, then it's quite a mean thing to do/ Jmo/

 

[imkeylime]

Agreed. And the picture is now "unavailable" on fb I saw it five minutes ago, but gone right now. The shape of the eyes, the eyebrows, the nose and her lips are different. It really is amazing how photography, light, angle of face or head can make a huge difference, but in this case, that's a different girl IMO.

imkeylime: I was thinking that too, that she girl in the photo looks like it could be a very young Jessica, but at the same time, there was something not quite right. If she was as young as I (think I remember) thought at the time, I was thinking like 10 or 11, would her mom have allowed her hair to be dyed?

Eerie.

I'm going to guess that was a fake post/photos since they've been pulled.

Got me about the hair dye. I've seen some pretty young girls with dyed hair as of late, but I suspect it's the new stuff that comes in bright colors and washes out. I don't remember when JC's mom and dad divorced. Sometimes kids get away with more at one parent's home than the other's.

Re: the photos: the link I reposted still works for me. ??? Total speculation here, but I wonder if the person who posted the photos may be trying to "sleuth" on his or own and thinks these are JC and thus asked LD. Does that make any sense?

 

[BirdycatNY]

This is slightly O/T, but since WS posters were discussing firefighters and arson recently, there is a "fire cult" of volunteer FFs that have been committing arson in Mississippi recently. There is nothing that indicates that to me in Jessica's case...but thought would post because I swear there are so many potential criminal leads, criminal activity and motives in this case. You just can't make this stuff up. I really think that LE/FBI have solid leads but all has been EERILY quiet even on Anon and other sites (I hope this is a good sign) and lots of serious LE/FBI investigative legwork hopefully is going on. Many kudos to those working on Jessica's behalf, it seems like a complicated case.

But in the meantime here is the link on "fire cult" http://www.sunherald.com/2015/02/13/6069721/hancock-county-fire-cult-gains.html