MS - Jessica Chambers, 19, found burned near her car, Panola County, 6 Dec 2014 - #11

[rbarber17]

By "run" I merely meant exit the scene alive. Sorry for the inexact usage. She would not have been allowed to exit the scene of the fire alive if murdered, it should rightly have read.

Not trying to be picky here, wfgodot, but your wording "...She would not have been allowed..." (emphasis added by me) assumes that the perpetrators waited around after igniting her car. Did they, or was it likely that they did? If gasoline was used as an accelerant, there was a very intense fire instantaneously, lighting up the entire CS area around dusk like a floodlight. I doubt anyone could have even stood within 20 feet of her car while it was ablaze, the fire would have been that hot. I also doubt Jessica's murderer(s) would have hung around to make sure their victim was dead at the risk of being spotted by some random passerby. JMO

Murder does not have to be the instantaneous result of a perpetrator's actions. In Jessica's case, she was actually "murdered" when she died of her burns several hours later, far from the CS.

 

[wfgodot]

Not trying to be picky here, wfgodot, but your wording "...She would not have been allowed..." (emphasis added by me) assumes that the perpetrators waited around after igniting her car. Did they, or was it likely that they did? If gasoline was used as an accelerant, there was a very intense fire instantaneously, lighting up the entire CS area around dusk like a floodlight. I doubt anyone could have even stood within 20 feet of her car while it was ablaze, the fire would have been that hot. I also doubt Jessica's murderer(s) would have hung around to make sure their victim was dead at the risk of being spotted by some random passerby. JMO

Murder does not have to be the instantaneous result of a perpetrator's actions. In Jessica's case, she was actually "murdered" when she died of her burns several hours later, far from the CS.

An estimated 25-30% of suicides are accompanied by notes. So 70-75% aren't, if that's accurate.

Why would anyone go to the trouble of murdering someone -- especially in so flamboyant of fashion -- and then not make sure the act was accomplished?

 

[rbarber17]

An estimated 25-30% of suicides are accompanied by notes. So 70-75% aren't, if that's accurate.

Why would anyone go to the trouble of murdering someone -- especially in so flamboyant of fashion -- and then not make sure the act was accomplished?

Noted.

Same question to you about a suicide. Success or failure does not necessarily indicate intent.

 

[samantha17]

An estimated 25-30% of suicides are accompanied by notes. So 70-75% aren't, if that's accurate.

Why would anyone go to the trouble of murdering someone -- especially in so flamboyant of fashion -- and then not make sure the act was accomplished?

Afraid of being caught = they needed to get away from the crime scene ASAP.

 

[anneoakley63]

Would that have been right around Neshoba County and Philadelphia MS, the locale where members of the Klan and others shot, killed, and buried James Chaney, Andrew Goodman, and Mickey Schwerner in
June 1964?

I also grew up and lived in MS for the majority of my life, including the 1960's. I heard about the KKK, but never met anyone who was a member that I knew of. Philadelphia is 20 miles from my hometown and approximately 130 miles south of Tupelo. It wasn't until I was in Jr. High school that I learned of the horrors that were perpetrated in that small town.

 

[observation]

It's such a shame this case is not getting the follow-up that Jessica Chambers so deserves. Initially it got all kinds of media attention- now, not so much. Even here on WS- it's not as active in terms of discussion. There is no release on her autopsy or related findings that are very specific... Finding this case rather maddening! They need to find these perps or the perp!


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[wfgodot]

Afraid of being caught = they needed to get away from the crime scene ASAP.

So afraid of getting caught "they" accosted the victim and set her on fire in a public place.

 

[rbarber17]

So afraid of getting caught "they" accosted the victim and set her on fire in a public place.

Just a few blue ink editorial changes, wfgodot...

So afraid of getting caught "they" accosted the victim and set her on fire in a ^secluded public place ^on a country road at night. (additions by me)
:moo::yeahthat:

 

[rbarber17]

It's such a shame this case is not getting the follow-up that Jessica Chambers so deserves. Initially it got all kinds of media attention- now, not so much. Even here on WS- it's not as active in terms of discussion. There is no release on her autopsy or related findings that are very specific... Finding this case rather maddening! They need to find these perps or the perp!


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I share your feelings, observation. Every time I check this website, I'm hoping to see the magical words "Arrest Made" pop up, but that never happens. Part of me says it's a bad thing, they don't have a clue. But the other part of me says it's a good thing, because they are building an iron-clad case against the murderer(s) to make sure justice is done. Only time will tell which was right.

 

[wfgodot]

Just a few blue ink editorial changes, wfgodot...

So afraid of getting caught "they" accosted the victim and set her on fire in a ^secluded public place ^on a country road at night. (additions by me)
:moo::yeahthat:

Your modifiers only re-stress another question: dark, and secluded, but "they" still left her alive at the scene, for fear that they'd be caught?

 

[observation]

Your modifiers only re-stress another question: dark, and secluded, but "they" still left her alive at the scene, for fear that they'd be caught?

IMHO- this case was ruled a homicide since she had flammable fluids down her nose and throat at the very beginning of this case breaking. There is little updated information in this case for me to buy an alternate theory of suicide. I've seen it speculated but it's not something I at all agree with. No offense to anyone thinking otherwise.
Looking for justice to be served for Jessica Chambers!


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[observation]

WFGOT they didn't "leave" her alive at the scene. To have 90+ of your body burned and to walk away is rather remarkable. If she wanted to die- just stay put and don't get up to try and walk away from the scene. It does not add up to suicide- again my strong HO.



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[observation]

I need some new info. To sleuth here!


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[rbarber17]

(1) "StingRay II" technology used by FBI, this time with a warrant, to catch suspects in SC murder (6/8/2015):
http://www.fox10tv.com/story/292677...-devices-to-find-lake-wylie-homicide-suspects

(2) Vehicle with two bodies burned in SC to conceal evidence about their murder, but tip lead to arrest of suspect (6/14/2015):
http://www.fox10tv.com/story/29316221/drug-deal-leads-to-deaths-of-2-men-found-in-burning-truck


Some serious 4th Amendment and Civil Right issues remain for item (1), particularly when LE uses that equipment without a warrant. According to Wikipedia, "The Fourth Amendment (Amendment IV) to the United States Constitution is the part of the Bill of Rights that prohibits unreasonable searches and seizures and requires any warrant to be judicially sanctioned and supported by probable cause." Until recently this device, which is portable and mimics a cell phone tower, had been used by LE around the country without a warrant to listen in on private cell phone conversations. Let's hope if any evidence is being used from such a device for Jessica's investigation, that it was being used last December with a warrant. Otherwise, that evidence and any leads developed from it would probably be thrown out. Justice Department has in recent months decided to start requiring warrants for its use.

 

[samantha17]

I wouldn't call the rural area where she was found a 'public' place .... yes, it's on a public road but a very rural public road..

 

[rbarber17]

Your modifiers only re-stress another question: dark, and secluded, but "they" still left her alive at the scene, for fear that they'd be caught?

No, they left her "dead" at the scene (they thought, anyway).
Yes, for fear that they'd be caught (illuminated by light from the blaze).

JMO

 

[wfgodot]

No, they left her "dead" at the scene (they thought, anyway).
Yes, for fear that they'd be caught (illuminated by light from the blaze).

JMO

She was alive.

 

[wfgodot]

I wouldn't call the rural area where she was found a 'public' place .... yes, it's on a public road but a very rural public road..

It is a public road.

 

[wfgodot]

WFGOT they didn't "leave" her alive at the scene. To have 90+ of your body burned and to walk away is rather remarkable. If she wanted to die- just stay put and don't get up to try and walk away from the scene. It does not add up to suicide- again my strong HO.

At first my choice of solution -- suicide -- was somewhat felicitous; I was googling an English case from 80+ years ago which may have also been a suicide, and this reminded me of that.

But now I feel more strongly this botched investigation arose from a suicide attempt which sadly, in the end, was a successful one. I've stated some of my reasons numerous times above.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

WFGOT they didn't "leave" her alive at the scene. To have 90+ of your body burned and to walk away is rather remarkable. If she wanted to die- just stay put and don't get up to try and walk away from the scene. It does not add up to suicide- again my strong HO.



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Actually, if someone was there to start the fire...they did leave her alive because they did not stay to see that she was burned over 90% + on her body or dead. They would have left immediately after starting the fire because no one was seen coming away from the area by the person who found her not long after the fire began.

This is another problem I have with the murder theory. Someone should have seen something if another person was involved. Car lights, a person walking or running away, or some other evidence of outside involvement. They have nothing, imo. There has to be a logical reason.