MS - Jessica Chambers, 19, found burned near her car, Panola County, 6 Dec 2014 - #4

[MotherOcean]

I just think the 911 caller was a passing motorist. I think when they questioned this person, they became a prime witness. This person may have seen more than just a car on fire. They may have chosen not to stop because he/she also saw other individuals and/or vehicles there and figured they were fine and didn't need assistance. I really think the 911 caller is being protected as a witness. I don't think Jessica made that 911 call.

I agree with this ^ . I think the 911 caller saw someone else at the burn site. Well, it's at least possible!

 

[Montjoy]

If Jessica were my daughter, and I could get my hands on him/her/them... I won't type what I would do to them, but I guarantee they would suffer so much they would beg to die. Hell she isn't my daughter, and I still fear what I would do to them. I just don't understand the lack of anger. Unless dad has been warned ahead of time not to show it. You know, just in case one of the suspects turns up butchered and dead.

I understand what you're saying, but I am glad that civil society has moved past glorifying those who act as judge, jury, and executioner. I've acted rashly to avenge wrongs in the past, but out of the heat of the moment I can't defend it, and I don't believe that our social contract permits the defense of 'being so mad that I couldn't help myself' any longer.

 

[DeDee]

I am certain that I do not understand why mineral spirits are suspected as the accelerant. Could someone help me with this? I have a particular reason for needing to know. TIA

 

[anonone]

I am certain that I do not understand why mineral spirits are suspected as the accelerant. Could someone help me with this? I have a particular reason for needing to know. TIA

Mineral spirits were simply suggested considering the main employer in the area (Lehman), recreational activities (fishing), and the so-called counterculture activity (e.g., tattooes).

Also, the suspect(s) would be incredibly stupid to purchase gasoline shortly before the murder. However, it is becoming clear as a mineral spirit who is responsible.

 

[flatfootjoe]

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As well, as has been stated, many people have valid objections to the death penalty. Most do, in fact. They may not even be moral or psychological -- some oppose the death penalty simply because it is so much more expensive than keeping someone in prison for life.

Not arguing with you, but could you cite a reference on this? As I understand it, the average cost of care for a prisoner per annum is between 32k - 65k
Assuming they go in at 25 and live to 65 lifetime cost would be between 1.28 and 2.6 million dollars. I guess you're adding in the costs for appeals and the additional litigation? The actual execution is pretty economical.

 

[flatfootjoe]

I understand what you're saying, but I am glad that civil society has moved past glorifying those who act as judge, jury, and executioner. I've acted rashly to avenge wrongs in the past, but out of the heat of the moment I can't defend it, and I don't believe that our social contract permits the defense of 'being so mad that I couldn't help myself' any longer.

They invalidated Ben Chambers social contract the moment they burned his daughter alive.

 

[anonone]

Not arguing with you, but could you cite a reference on this? As I understand it, the average cost of care for a prisoner per annum is between 32k - 65k
Assuming they go in at 25 and live to 65 lifetime cost would be between 1.28 and 2.6 million dollars. I guess you're adding in the costs for appeals and the additional litigation? The actual execution is pretty economical.

I agree. Also, the additional litigation stimulates the economy (e.g., lawyers, paralegals, secretaries, photocopiers, office supplies, hotels, restaurants, etc.), including YT.

 

[flatfootjoe]

I am wondering if anyone else has seen it or other information. It seems "they" are okay with their destiny, or incredibly stupid.

Once you post something online it lives on forever somewhere, and some of us make sure of that.

 

[MotherOcean]

No.



No. Mr. Chambers was told his daughter was walking down the road by the first responders.

My comment references someone, who over the past 10 days, altered their physical appearance. Similar to the popularity of fishing in the area and the fact that Lehman-Rodgers is in the area, a broader perspective than third-party, media-focused irrelevant nonsense (e.g., chicken wings).

On a previous thread I linked to an article that reported that it was the 911 caller who saw Jessica walking and on fire. It was not the first responders. I'm sorry I don't have the link handy but I will look for it. I'll update this post with an edit if I find it. Now, if there was an update to that info. that proves otherwise, then I may have missed it. But, it was reported it was the 911 caller.

 

[Winnts]

It's still there, for anyone to see it.

What's still there? Could we be a bit clearer so the rest of us can follow too.

 

[FindHG]

Pardon my total speculation but I'd like to ask you the following please:
Is the person making the changes in their appearance a blonde female?
Are you thinking that the 911 caller might have reported seeing a blonde female walking down Herron Rd (or near there) on the night of the 6th? And that this might explain why Ben Chambers thought he'd been told that Jessica was found walking down the road?

One of the first thing LE said was they were looking for people with signed hair around their face. Anyone get a haircut recently?

 

[DeDee]

Mineral spirits were simply suggested considering the main employer in the area (Lehman), recreational activities (fishing), and the so-called counterculture activity (e.g., tattooes).

Also, the suspect(s) would be incredibly stupid to purchase gasoline shortly before the murder. However, it is becoming clear as a mineral spirit who is responsible.

Great last line, anonone, for it gave me a chuckle. Are the spirits initials JT?

 

[Montjoy]

Assuming they go in at 25 and live to 65 lifetime cost would be between 1.28 and 2.6 million dollars. I guess you're adding in the costs for appeals and the additional litigation? The actual execution is pretty economical.

Indeed; court costs are the issue here. Capital cases have guaranteed appeals, and the court costs are astronomical, especially as one goes up the legal food chain. I've read this so many times that I don't have a ready link on hand, and I also would have thought most people know this, but here's a link --

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty

Even if you don't trust the website, the state-by-state reports have links to research done by the states themselves, whether the state is red or blue. E.g., in Kansas the cost of executing a prisoner (with all of the legal work required) is four times that of incarcerating a prisoner for life:
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/documents/KSCost2014.pdf

And it's worth noting that as the death penalty is irreversible, the costs of lawsuits afterwards are enough to fund entire prisons for decades.

 

[FindHG]

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Her being brought in so soon after the murder tells me that MAYBE LE was able to pick up JC's phone and get some info right away. The phone may not have been damaged by the fire.

My impression for some reason, from the outset was that the memory chip in the phone was intact. The phone may have been damaged and separated from the battery but found the first night, even near the scene, IIRC. Then it was announced LE had the phone password and records in on numerous MSM reports.

 

[flatfootjoe]

What's still there? Could we be a bit clearer so the rest of us can follow too.

No, I'm sorry, I can't.

 

[Montjoy]

They invalidated Ben Chambers social contract the moment they burned his daughter alive.

Whoever killed Jessica invalidated every social contract that could have existed. That's not in question, and I'm a bit offended that you might suggest that I thought it was.

Notwithstanding, he is not in the position of acting as judge, jury, and executioner.

 

[flatfootjoe]

Indeed; court costs are the issue here. Capital cases have guaranteed appeals, and the court costs are astronomical, especially as one goes up the legal food chain. I've read this so many times that I don't have a ready link on hand, and I also would have thought most people know this, but here's a link --
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I appreciate your candor. I just wanted to see what you were including as criteria.

 

[octobermoon]

Mineral spirits were simply suggested considering the main employer in the area (Lehman), recreational activities (fishing), and the so-called counterculture activity (e.g., tattooes).

Also, the suspect(s) would be incredibly stupid to purchase gasoline shortly before the murder. However, it is becoming clear as a mineral spirit who is responsible.

Tattoo'ing (spell) is no longer consider counterculture quite mainstream/pop culture in this day and age. You keep hinting at the murderer but wont spill it. A fisherman/woman who runs a tattoo parlor and or woman who has kids going thru a divorce early Dec. who changed their hair color doesn't pass TOS here. Get verified as an insider please. JMO IMO MOO

 

[SwampMama]

From everything I have read, solitary confinement is horrendous. Death row is actually better, because they have human contact, showers every day, time outside, television, etc. I actually would prefer to send prisoners to solitary for life (locked in a cell with absolutely nothing to do, no human contact, no books, paper/pencil, NOTHING) than give them the death penalty. Unfortunately, my plan is considered cruel and unusual. Damn.

Solitary confinement is pretty horrific. PBS did a documentary on it and the men in solitary become so disturbed that they finally snap and start acting out. One guy cut sliced himself all up and threw blood all over his cell and had to be extracted. Another time the inmates flooded the unit by plugging toilets. Often the inmates use feces to attack staff or to throw at them.

Granted, many of these men were likely the worst of the worst to begin with and already seriously mentally disturbed. But even seeming normal guys who proclaimed while beginning a solitary sentence for 6 months proclaimed he would not have any issues. Within a few weeks he was mentally disturbed, acted out and had to be extracted from his cell.

Anyway, Pbs did the documentary which I watched and it was fascinating. Solitary is indeed a horrific sentence. here is a link to the documentary so you may watch it if you like. It was truly enlightening.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/locked-up-in-america/#solitary-nation

 

[flatfootjoe]

Whoever killed Jessica invalidated every social contract that could have existed. That's not in question, and I'm a bit offended that you might suggest that I thought it was.

Notwithstanding, he is not in the position of acting as judge, jury, and executioner.

No offense intended. It's just my opinion that if you killed my child, you just appointed me judge, jury and executioner.

Funny how you mentioned that we as a society have moved past glorifying vigilante justice, yet daily I see nothing but glorification of gangsta behavior in film, music, clothing, and even speech. Maybe we'll move past that soon too.