MS - Jessica Chambers, 19, found burned near her car, Panola County, 6 Dec 2014 - #5

[FindHG]

FindHG, you read my mind

nah. what do you think?

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[octobermoon]

Tom Dees FOX13 Memphis
1 hr ·

‪#‎JusticeforJessica‬. Some of you have asked for an update. I keep in touch with Jessica's family and investigators daily. Even while on other assignments.Some of the evidence has come back from the crime lab. It is criminal evidence. It won't be made public until trial. That is how the system works. The latest reward figure has the money at $18000 dollars. Thanks. It is terribly quiet out there.

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=714435965321999&id=175571152541819

 

[FindHG]

Jessica Chambers murder: agencies search for suspects Therese Apel, The Clarion-Ledger 2:31 p.m. CST December 29, 2014

updated by Therese Apel, The Clarion-Ledger 4:51 p.m. CST December 29, 2014 with compelling reporting about the effect on locals

 

[southernyankee]

Tom Dees FOX13 Memphis
1 hr ·
‪#‎JusticeforJessica‬. Some of you have asked for an update. I keep in touch with Jessica's family and investigators daily. Even while on other assignments. Some of the evidence has come back from the crime lab. It is criminal evidence. It won't be made public until trial. That is how the system works. The latest reward figure has the money at $18000 dollars. Thanks. It is terribly quiet out there.

Right. And I understand that + agree for that necessity. I suppose what we're all really hankering for is an arrest - and my thinking is that an arrest may be more likely to happen based on the lab results.

At the very least, that those results would bring a focus to the investigation which could be made public - like, what people could look for. Trace bits of fiber from a certain article of clothing from the muddy ground, anything more specific to narrow a search.

As for mid-South news story of the year? Ugh. All those choices are either depressing or lackluster. There's gotta be something better out there!

 

[cady]

updated by Therese Apel, The Clarion-Ledger 4:51 p.m. CST December 29, 2014 with compelling reporting about the effect on locals

Maybe very few people know and everybody is speculating based on their own biases and agendas. Maybe it is far simpler than anyone can imagine. Maybe local LE has a good idea of what happened and is nervous about exposing the truth because the fallout will involve lots of family secrets. Maybe the person(s) they are supposedly looking for are Caucasian. JMO edit. I mean families, plural. JMO

 

[MyBelle]

So aside from all the theorizing about who was where when based on what has been said ...how about that physical evidence?? I am so, so, so freaking sick of the apparent cowardice that those involved or who likely know something have been shuffling about town and posting this or that on their social media accounts, saying whatever behind the screen of a phone or computer.

I've laid low over the holiday but noticed that nothing substantial has been reported in the meantime on this case.

From multiple updates in The Clarion-Ledger: "One integral part of the investigation could be whether there is any DNA evidence to be found. Officials said the state crime lab was still processing some of the information, and was still completing some of the tests, but that they hoped those results would generate some possibilities as well."

I feel like that paperboy kid in the movie Better Off Dead who was hounding John Cusack's character for his money ("I WANT MY TWO DOLLARS!!") except... "DNA/LAB RESULTS... WE WANT THE DNA/LAB RESULTS!!"

I hope these results come back soon and that 100 or so potential witnesses gets cut down to some narrow number with very strong if not irrefutable physical - DNA or otherwise - evidence to bolster that outcome. I think anyone who was going to talk would've talked by now, and I think anyone who knows anything is either afraid, complicit, or both based on the silence.

I don't trust what anyone says, but am more focused on what they don't say or where there are discrepancies. I am also more interested in knowing who no longer wears a certain pair of shoes, or jacket, etc. since that night. The things or the absence of them that speak for themselves.

The best physical evidence they have is Jessica. It is remarkable that she not only got out of the car but was able to speak. It's not just DNA that needs to be analyzed. Analysis of cell phone records has to be done for corroboration of alibis. They already have her dying declaration and her cell phone. I do believe this is a death penalty case and while they have to wait for the lab analysis to come in, whomever is responsible is in the cross-hairs of cops already.

JMO

 

[cady]

The best physical evidence they have is Jessica. It is remarkable that she not only got out of the car but was able to speak. It's not just DNA that needs to be analyzed. Analysis of cell phone records has to be done for corroboration of alibis. They already have her dying declaration and her cell phone. I do believe this is a death penalty case and while they have to wait for the lab analysis to come in, whomever is responsible is in the cross-hairs of cops already.

JMO

I just do not accept as fact that she spoke. She may have, but only one person claims to have heard her speak. That person may be telling the truth as he knows it, but he also could have an interest in suggesting known characters in town to slant the investigation from the beginning. There is no way of proving that she spoke, at all. JMO

 

[MyBelle]

I just do not accept as fact that she spoke. She may have, but only one person claims to have heard her speak. That person may be telling the truth as he knows it, but he also could have an interest in suggesting known characters in town to slant the investigation from the beginning. There is no way of proving that she spoke, at all. JMO

Testimony. It will be up to a jury to decide whether it is credible. I don't believe firefighters or the DA are going to slant the investigation.

Hale said Chambers spoke with firefighters on the scene before she was taken to a Memphis hospital, where she died. Hale said he could not discuss what she said.

"She was able to communicate. It was difficult," Hale said.


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http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2014/12/jessica_chambers_19_spoke_to_m.html

 

[cady]

Testimony. It will be up to a jury to decide whether it is credible. I don't believe firefighters or the DA are going to slant the investigation.

Hale said Chambers spoke with firefighters on the scene before she was taken to a Memphis hospital, where she died. Hale said he could not discuss what she said.

"She was able to communicate. It was difficult," Hale said.


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http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2014/12/jessica_chambers_19_spoke_to_m.html

OK. If she spoke with firefighters PLURAL then other firefighters can confirm that she spoke. JMO

 

[southernyankee]

Agreed re: testimony, especially as he was not the sole firefighter at the scene. It is entirely possible that Jessica was able to speak initially, based on some research I've done on burn victims who received medical attention within a few hours. Even those with burns as severe as she is reported to have had - it is not impossible.

In addition to "Derek" and "Eric" - and all spellings of those names - I think the name "Cedric" (and related spellings) should also be considered as similar in sound and worth looking into.

There is all sorts of physical evidence in this case - from Jessica herself (and you're right, she would be a source, and I hope she fought back) to the cell phone + its data... it's the preservation I'm concerned about. I really do hope there is a smoking gun in this case that comes to light for investigators.

 

[MizStery]

Jessica Chambers murder: agencies search for suspects Therese Apel, The Clarion-Ledger 2:31 p.m. CST December 29, 2014

updated by Therese Apel, The Clarion-Ledger 4:51 p.m. CST December 29, 2014 with compelling reporting about the effect on locals

From your link:Jessica Chambers murder: agencies search for suspects

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Chambers was found on Herron Road in Courtland a little after 8 p.m. Dec. 6, walking away from her burning vehicle with burns over 98 percent of her body. Coroner Gracie Gulledge said the cause of the young woman's death was thermal injury.
<snipped>


My Opinion Only:
Various articles have either indicated she was lying beside her vehicle or found walking away when found. It is clear from this article that Jessica was walking away from her burning vehicle when found. (Are we to assume Jessica was initially found by the firefighters.)Or,are we to assume it was a 'Good Samaritan' prior to firefighters arriving) MOO

i understand LE has spoken and cleared the person who called 911. Perhaps it was the 911 caller that found Jessica walking away from her burning vehicle & attempted to administer aid prior to firefighters arriving. We know the firefighters were already at the scene of another fire when they got the call of Jessicas vehicle fire?MOO

 

[absentia]

Ditto. The only problem I have with it is that there are to many "players" who claim to have seen her. Both parents, the Sheriff, the Fire Chief. They don't seem like a cast of characters that could keep a secret like that - but who knows. As far as someone asking if FBI fakes people's death to enter them in to the witness protection program - - - I would not know, I think they are deceased.

On another note. Years ago, I had a good friend on the PD that helped me get out of an abusive relationship. One of the things that he told me was that if he could connect my ex to the biker gang in town, he could get the FBI to come in. He specifically said that the FBI won't come in to drug/death cases unless they can somehow be connected to gang activity, cartel, or conspiracies....and once the FBI comes in, they can get wire taps.

it is good to know what will bring the FBI into an investigation. I think that speaks volumes in this case.

 

[cady]

We have not heard the 911 call, which we usually do.... My understanding is that it was a call reporting a car fire. If so, the caller did not mention a person near or walking by the car or on the road. JMO

 

[absentia]

From your link:Jessica Chambers murder: agencies search for suspects

<snipped>
Chambers was found on Herron Road in Courtland a little after 8 p.m. Dec. 6, walking away from her burning vehicle with burns over 98 percent of her body. Coroner Gracie Gulledge said the cause of the young woman's death was thermal injury.
<snipped>


My Opinion Only:
Various articles have either indicated she was lying beside her vehicle or found walking away when found. It is clear from this article that Jessica was walking away from her burning vehicle when found. (Are we to assume Jessica was initially found by the firefighters.)Or,are we to assume it was a 'Good Samaritan' prior to firefighters arriving) MOO

i understand LE has spoken and cleared the person who called 911. Perhaps it was the 911 caller that found Jessica walking away from her burning vehicle & attempted to administer aid prior to firefighters arriving. We know the firefighters were already at the scene of another fire when they got the call of Jessicas vehicle fire?MOO

The 911 call could be very suspicious. who in earth would keep driving and not stop to help? could have been one of the people involved who didn't expect it to go so far.

 

[babyroxy1969]

JC died in one of the most horrific ways possible. I doubt that she was killed because someone was suspicious of why she left town. I don't believe race, religion, drugs or gangs were factors. One thing that seems consistent in all the chatter and rumor-mongering I've seen is that the fingers are all pointing at one or more of the same four factors.

So, if you don't think those things factor in, what is YOUR theory about what happened? (we are allowed to discuss "theories" in general, correct? No names.) This case is crazy.

 

[MyBelle]

Agreed re: testimony, especially as he was not the sole firefighter at the scene. It is entirely possible that Jessica was able to speak initially, based on some research I've done on burn victims who received medical attention within a few hours. Even those with burns as severe as she is reported to have had - it is not impossible.

In addition to "Derek" and "Eric" - and all spellings of those names - I think the name "Cedric" (and related spellings) should also be considered as similar in sound and worth looking into.

There is all sorts of physical evidence in this case - from Jessica herself (and you're right, she would be a source, and I hope she fought back) to the cell phone + its data... it's the preservation I'm concerned about. I really do hope there is a smoking gun in this case that comes to light for investigators.

I am totally disregarding the names that supposedly she said. I think that information was planted by someone who has made every effort to implicate people such as the Muslim gas station owner or her dad. There does seem to be an agenda in play.
JMO

 

[MyBelle]

So, if you don't think those things factor in, what is YOUR theory about what happened? (we are allowed to discuss "theories" in general, correct? No names.) This case is crazy.

Love triangle/scorned woman theory works best for me.

 

[absentia]

I didn't see that interview but some of it doesn't make any sense. Why would deputies gather in a convenience store?

Never mind. I found a link. They didn't gather there, they came to get the security video. I still don't believe the crime scene would have been deserted to the point it wasn't noticed by someone passing by that night.

As for the burned out car being photographed in front of his gas station, Alsanai said the tow truck driver stopped at the station briefly. He was curious and took a picture. Alsanai says he has been cleared by the FBI but is still being harassed by those who think he had something to do with 19-year-old's death. Meanwhile, the family continues to mourn the loss. Grandmother Dot Boatright says she remembers the last moments she saw Chambers.
http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/story/27664989/da-making-progress-in-chambers-investigation

i wonder who exactly was threatening AA. i get the feeling it wasn't bc people thought he was involved. i think it was the people who were involved.

 

[cady]

So, if you don't think those things factor in, what is YOUR theory about what happened? (we are allowed to discuss "theories" in general, correct? No names.) This case is crazy.

I think that all of those things factor in peripherally, but not just one will be the AHA! that we want. This crime looks very personal to me. Maybe I'll have to eat my hat! Other sites are just sure that somehow Islam is behind this. I am just not that much of a tinfoil hatter. That is super paranoid, in my humble opinion. LOL JMO

 

[MyBelle]

i wonder who exactly was threatening AA. i get the feeling it wasn't bc people thought he was involved. i think it was the people who were involved.

I think it was people want to shut down that station either because it is competition or because it is run by a Muslim family or it could be the people who are involved. All ugly reasons to try to destroy a family business that's probably struggling to keep afloat but I doubt whoever is behind it really cares.