MS - Jessica Chambers, 19, found burned near her car, Panola County, 6 Dec 2014 - #7

[Yvettea]

?? Well, no, she didn't, she was murdered. JMO

Just saying she was supposed to go right home. Was she abducted from the service station? Or did she have a difference of opinion with mom and stay out?

 

[Ms Pragmatic]

I am of the opinion that LE has been barking up the wrong tree. I still think that the perp(s) are probably local, but I think by now if they or he or she haven't been ratted out it is because the people on the street have no idea who is responsible. JUST MY OPINION. Someone wanted JC destroyed. JMO

I think they are barking up the wrong tree too. Just need that one bit of info to push them in the right direction.

 

[dairydog]

BBM

Only a very dumb criminal would not have emptied the container entirely, and incinerated it during the blaze. Assuming the vessel itself wasn't metal. In which case, they're holding on to the murder weapon or they dumped it in a body of water. I can't imagine they have a forge in the back yard to melt it down.

I totally 'hear' you flatfootjoe. I know it would be a huge long shot but there are some pretty stupid criminals! Lol! I guess I was just thinking that if the accelerant wasn't a common type such as gasoline (assuming they know what it is) then a similar uncommon product could be found at the killer(s) home, work etc. Just grasping at straws.

 

[flatfootjoe]

I am of the opinion that LE has been barking up the wrong tree. I still think that the perp(s) are probably local, but I think by now if they or he or she haven't been ratted out it is because the people on the street have no idea who is responsible. JUST MY OPINION. Someone wanted JC destroyed. JMO

I think local LE blew the investigation from the start. They completely obliterated the chain of custody with regard to the vehicle, the crime scene itself, and god knows what happened to any remaining scraps of Jessica's attire or how they were handled, that's assuming first responders hadn't eradicated them with water. I think they know how bad they blew it and now they need eyewitnesses or confessions. They know who did it, but any evidence collected is going to be inadmissible. I've been saying this since thread 4. Right now the frustration level is hitting a peak for me again. I'm so fed up with inconsistencies from local LE, Jessica's own mother, and MSM I'm about to pop.

I guess it is promising at least that Jessica's mom is starting to feel the same way about the investigation as the people who were trying to help her from the beginning. The ones she dismissed.

Arrrrrrrrrrrgh :gaah:

 

[Ms Pragmatic]

I totally 'hear' you flatfootjoe. I know it would be a huge long shot but there are some pretty stupid criminals! Lol! I guess I was just thinking that if the accelerant wasn't a common type such as gasoline (assuming they know what it is) then a similar uncommon product could be found at the killer(s) home, work etc. Just grasping at straws.

I think that is a very good point, dairydog. The accelerant may not have been gas or one of the typical ones.

 

[cady]

Maybe she left because she was duped by an old, bad element there?

Still got 5 on it. JMO.

Are you thinking a person who works there, or a former housemate? Possible. But she did manage to get a job soon thereafter and reportedly (her Mom) didn't have an active social life beyond visiting on her street and work. JMO

 

[flatfootjoe]

I totally 'hear' you flatfootjoe. I know it would be a huge long shot but there are some pretty stupid criminals! Lol! I guess I was just thinking that if the accelerant wasn't a common type such as gasoline (assuming they know what it is) then a similar uncommon product could be found at the killer(s) home, work etc. Just grasping at straws.

The one thing I learned while living within the criminal element, was how very good many criminals are at committing crimes, and not going to jail or in some cases even being charged for them. For some people crime is a livelihood, like any other job, some have a natural aptitude and others just become more efficient with experience. The one thing I found most common was how clever most of them were when it came to crime, while having no natural aptitude for anything else. Some people are just naturally malicious and devious.

I'm pretty certain the ATF knows exactly what chemical composition was used, and the containers were destroyed or "lost" long ago. By lost I mean ditched by the criminals, not misplaced by local LE. I don't see any conspiracy by local LE, other than the one to cloak gross incompetence.

 

[Ms Pragmatic]

I think local LE blew the investigation from the start. They completely obliterated the chain of custody with regard to the vehicle, the crime scene itself, and god knows what happened to any remaining scraps of Jessica's attire or how they were handled, that's assuming first responders hadn't eradicated them with water. I think they know how bad they blew it and now they need eyewitnesses or confessions. They know who did it, but any evidence collected is going to be inadmissible. I've been saying this since thread 4. Right now the frustration level is hitting a peak for me again. I'm so fed up with inconsistencies from local LE, Jessica's own mother, and MSM I'm about to pop.

I guess it is promising at least that Jessica's mom is starting to feel the same way about the investigation as the people who were trying to help her from the beginning. The ones she dismissed.

Arrrrrrrrrrrgh :gaah:

I agree that the investigation was blown at the beginning. Crime scene was cleared way too soon. Tow truck driver, ugh.

 

[lonetraveler]

I don't think this is gang related. I think the situation escalated because a vindictive, manipulative, irrational female who probably has few, if any, girl friends felt Jessica "disrespected" her. Maybe Jessica ignored her phone calls. Maybe nutso female felt Jessica smiled at her man too much or not enough and was a snob slumming around to smoke pot and to act all street as the mood hit. Maybe Jessia was tired of loaning nutso female clothes, her car or being her taxi service and nutso female eventually trash-talked Jessica enough to some soft brained guy who felt he had something to prove or lose so he did what he had to do to pacify nutso female.
It's way past my bed time.
Did Jessica ever hang around with the girls that talked about her in interviews?

I agree with part of your post. I believe that this crime is "gang related" but I also think that it could very well have been initiated due to a girlfriend of a gang member's actions.

ETA: Chemical used to burn Jessica could have been nail polish remover; very flammable and combustible.

 

[Yvettea]

Okay, if we all agree the investigation was blown from the very beginning why have we been discussing this now for a month? We've been trying to sort it out, right?

 

[flatfootjoe]

I agree that the investigation was blown at the beginning. Crime scene was cleared way too soon. Tow truck driver, ugh.

Cleared? You mean abandoned and left unattended right? If I didn't already have high blood pressure, reading about this case, and the number of people trying to dismiss a homicide investigation as accidental would certainly give me circulatory difficulties.

I wonder if they ever discussed the concept of chain of custody in Panola County. I mean it is a principle aspect of law enforcement. You would think at least one of them may have heard about it somewhere.

 

[flatfootjoe]

Okay, if we all agree the investigation was blown from the very beginning why have we been discussing this now for a month? We've been trying to sort it out, right?

I do it just to give my heart regular stress tests...:laughing: It's working too. Just feeling pretty discouraged about the whole case right now. I'm pretty sure this is exactly what's going on. I think all we have been doing is collecting evidence where we've been able to, and dismissing rumor and disinformation where possible. In many cases theorizing what we think "may have happened" If nothing else it's good mental exercise and a good opportunity to collaborate with like, and sometimes not so like minded people.

 

[Yvettea]

Cleared? You mean abandoned and left unattended right? If I didn't already have high blood pressure reading about this case, and the number of people trying to dismiss a homicide investigation as accidental would certainly give me circulatory difficulties.

I wonder if they ever discussed the concept of chain of custody in Panola County. I mean it is a principle aspect of law enforcement. You would think at least one of them may have heard about it somewhere.

Separate threads for different topics would have been nice and it might have improved the health of all of us.

 

[SteveP]

Separate threads for different topics would have been nice and it might have improved the health of all of us.

I personally agree, but every case I have followed here that got broken up into subforums was met with far more resistance than acceptance, and invariably, many people get discouraged and leave, feeling it is too difficult to negotiate subforums. JMO

 

[flatfootjoe]

I agree with part of your post. I believe that this crime is "gang related" but I also think that it could very well have been initiated due to a girlfriend of a gang member's actions.

ETA: Chemical used to burn Jessica could have been nail polish remover; very flammable and combustible.

BBM.

Do you mean acetone, or the more stinky less acrid currently found in stores version. I thought the acetone version was harder to come by nowadays for safety reasons. How would you come by that particular accelerant in volume? I'm not baiting you, I'm exploring the logistics.

 

[Ms Pragmatic]

Separate threads for different topics would have been nice and it might have improved the health of all of us.

Lol! Very true!

 

[Yvettea]

I personally agree, but every case I have followed here that got broken up into subforums was met with far more resistance than acceptance, and invariable, many people get discouraged and leave, feeling it is too difficult to negotiate subforums. JMO

Hmm. I thought it worked really well with Hannah Graham. People did resist at the beginning.

 

[flatfootjoe]

Separate threads for different topics would have been nice and it might have improved the health of all of us.

Hallelujah and amen.

 

[FelicityLemon]

As to why Jessica left living at Leah's House - wasn't it just time for her to go? If it was established that she left early, I apologize. I find that I do miss posts when I'm reading quickly to catch up. I just thought her sentence was up: I don't know if treatment was supposed to be for six weeks at a residential facility, two months, three months... how long was she there?

 

[southernyankee]

Hey, sleuthers. I've been following along but not posting quite so much - it's been a busy week here for me (part of my work is at a local university where applications are all coming in because they're due just about now! Aaahh!)

ANYWAY. Super glad that Lisa Chambers (Jessica's mother) spoke out in the last few days + shed a bit more light on Jessica's life in recent months...and I'm grateful she confirmed that Leah's House was indeed where she went.

I'm looking at this case again from the beginning and rethinking different theories + testing them out (hypothetically) using some reasoned assumptions for each. My latest tack for approaching this as an intentional murder is this:

1) The motive is personal in nature. Not someone owing money, not seeking to kill JC because she was a legal-trouble threat, but rather someone thought they'd take their own perverse view of "justice" into their own hands. The individual(s) behind this think they know best and sincerely believe what they did was justified.
2) Because of this, a certain amount of "doublethink" allows their conscience(s) to live in some sort of denial. Like, they don't think about what they did with crushing guilt because they felt so compelled or justified in this.
3) But eff that, because I don't think this was done by ONE individual. I think more than one person was involved or knows something, at minimum, and THAT is where things will fall apart for the perps.

I'd like to use the example of the case of Skylar Neese to illustrate this. Two of her "friends" were ultimately responsible for her death. One of them, Shelia Eddy, was of this doublethink mindset - she knew she did it yet she was able to go about her life for almost a YEAR afterwards and function per usual. But the other, Rachel Shoaf, crumbled a few months later, having a mental breakdown + confessing. It was because of her confession + cooperation that led the case to its just resolution.

In Jessica's case, the more people who were involved or who know, the more volatile the situation. It's been just over a month now. Will everyone who's involved live peacefully, mindfully, with no resurgence of the rage or instability that led them to commit this heinous murder, so long as they live? Will they both or all keep that secret, forever?

If their actions in executing Jessica's murder are any indication, my guess is no way. Violence begets violence, not peace. So long as the clock is ticking, there is time for this situation to unravel and for SOMEONE who was directly involved to be wronged or wrong someone else...or maybe even be tempted by $$$ reward offer, tipping the balance.

Personally? If I could bust this case rightly with all guilty or involved exposed, I'll send the majority of the $$$ to Leah's House + the Courtland Fire Dept.