MS - Jessica Chambers, 19, found burned near her car, Panola County, 6 Dec 2014 - #7

[southernyankee]

Have you read the remarks directed toward him? The accusations and suspicions? Can't say I'd blame him if he has in fact taken a powder, considering the public scrutiny he's been subjected to. If he were my son, I'd be worried sick for his safety, and do whatever possible within my means to help him relocate.

JMO

I confess I'm not familiar with anything specific said to him but I understand he was receiving death threats, and even if nothing came of it, I wouldn't be messin' around to chance it, either!

I *do* recall reading that his family initially came to the US by way of a different state, and it wouldn't surprise me if he relocated there (or even elsewhere, out of the area) - temporarily or not. Eeeek. :-(

 

[MSCJgrad]

MSCJgrad : EXCELLENT information and thank you so much for the link Power has it's attraction for many, but I better understand the emotional need it must ignite after reading your post and quickly visiting the link. Bookmarked for more reading because it's so interesting! I just remember waaay back when, I used to waitress in posh beachside town and wealthy older men, some really goood loooking (never guys my own age - never) used to hit on me. (I wasn't and still am not pretty, but I was shy, polite and obviously naive) Although I was flattered, it scared the bejeebers out of me every single time. It was a matter of me not feeling like I would be in control of my surroundings by going on a date with them and knowing what I know now, I would absolutely not have been safe because I'm pretty sure not one of them had *my* best interest at heart. Less about the man's appearance than about our own insecurities.

Even though I felt that way, I was still attracted but in a safe way, having a crush on an older man, but only a crush from afar. I can see the effect that it could have on a young woman without a stable, loving "normal" father or father figure in their home - to have a very much in-control (controlling) man make you feel ......aw crap. It just creeps me out. I get it, but it's worrisome. No blame at all on the young women involved!

yeah, way too much info, how much do I owe you for this session :/ yikes

I'll PM you my paypall info-JK!! You are welcome for the link-it really is some good reading. Feel free to poke around the website and gain some insight on the backgrounds and organization of some of those gangs. Each of the articles are by respected, published authors, who provide an immense service to LE investigators and criminologists. Second to last sentence, 'no blame at all on the young women involved', is so true. It is easy for anyone to get in above their head in some situations, and the circumstances that have been highlighted in this small county have my eyes wide open to the myriad of socioeconomic, social, financial, educational, and personal obstacles that the youth of that area are facing.

Sidenote- I'm glad for you that you were confident enough as to not fall prey to the wealthy older men who were surely disappointed in your level-headed decision making in your past.

 

[MyBelle]

Have you read the remarks directed toward him? The accusations and suspicions? Can't say I'd blame him if he has in fact taken a powder, considering the public scrutiny he's been subjected to. If he were my son, I'd be worried sick for his safety, and do whatever possible within my means to help him relocate.

JMO

His very public comments may have attracted federal LE scrutiny to the family business, especially the part that sells alcohol and tobacco and fears for his safety stem from that, imo.

 

[southernyankee]

With all due respect, the phone call before she left, the $14 in gas, that she said she was going "somewhere" plus the fact that her car was found on fire on a road that went "somewhere" are details acknowledged by police. Jessica was attacked after she left somewhere and there has been a media report she was attacked a week earlier.

What we haven't seen is any evidence Jessica socialized on a "whim."

I'm sorry - I was under the impression that specific amount of gas purchased as well as the testimony that she was going "somewhere" came solely from AA and was not necessarily validated by police. I believe they could validate the $14 purchase amount based on credit card/cash register evidence; not so sure about the "somewhere" remark if all we have is AA's word that she said it. And if she did - again, it seemed purposefully vague - a non-answer. I just don't put much weight on the remark; she didn't seem to want to talk much to AA about it in any case.

People socialize on whims all the time, though - you run into a friend here or there, you get a call or text from someone, "hey, a bunch of us are meeting up at whoever's to hang, come join" etc. Plus, it's a Saturday night - prime social fun weekend time! It just is way more likely than suddenly going out to meet with a church counselor or to counsel someone else on short notice.

Again, I'm willing to be totally wrong on this, but her phone likely holds stronger evidence to point in the right direction. But I maintain that if she was going to meet someone else who had NOTHING to do with her attack, and she either a) didn't show up or b) was attacked shortly thereafter, that person would already have been in communication with investigators.

 

[Ms Pragmatic]

His very public comments may have attracted federal LE scrutiny to the family business, especially the part that sells alcohol and tobacco and fears for his safety stem from that, imo.

That is a very good point as well.

 

[MyBelle]

He put himself out there too much, which may not have been a brilliant thing to do, but youth and bravado may explain it.

Exactly. ITA.

 

[FindHG]

With all due respect, the phone call before she left, the $14 in gas, that she said she was going "somewhere" plus the fact that her car was found on fire on a road that went "somewhere" are details acknowledged by police. Jessica was attacked after she left somewhere and there has been a media report she was attacked a week earlier.

What we haven't seen is any evidence Jessica socialized on a "whim."

Wild guessing about that whole "going somewhere" convo that keeps coming up, it seems possible that the way AA tells things it may have been something like his asking her 'Going somewhere?' Then Jessica, out of politeness, not wanting to say, nah, I'm getting gas here and cigs here (maybe cheaper) and cleaning my car in Batesville (not at your place there), just said 'Yes.' That possible 'Yes.' to his question got turned into a whole conversation that seemed much more compelling and indicative while he was being asked on MSM camera. Does that make sense?

 

[MyBelle]

I'm sorry - I was under the impression that specific amount of gas purchased as well as the testimony that she was going "somewhere" came solely from AA and was not necessarily validated by police. I believe they could validate the $14 purchase amount based on credit card/cash register evidence; not so sure about the "somewhere" remark if all we have is AA's word that she said it. And if she did - again, it seemed purposefully vague - a non-answer. I just don't put much weight on the remark; she didn't seem to want to talk much to AA about it in any case.

People socialize on whims all the time, though - you run into a friend here or there, you get a call or text from someone, "hey, a bunch of us are meeting up at whoever's to hang, come join" etc. Plus, it's a Saturday night - prime social fun weekend time! It just is way more likely than suddenly going out to meet with a church counselor or to counsel someone else on short notice.

Again, I'm willing to be totally wrong on this, but her phone likely holds stronger evidence to point in the right direction. But I maintain that if she was going to meet someone else who had NOTHING to do with her attack, and she either a) didn't show up or b) was attacked shortly thereafter, that person would already have been in communication with investigators.

I'm pretty sure police haven't revealed anything about information they've received that had nothing to do with Jessica's attack. I'm betting police know who called her and what the discussion was about and whether they met up or not. What we don't have is any evidence Jessica was the type who "socialized on a whim"....whatever that even means.

 

[MSCJgrad]

Have you read the remarks directed toward him? The accusations and suspicions? Can't say I'd blame him if he has in fact taken a powder, considering the public scrutiny he's been subjected to. If he were my son, I'd be worried sick for his safety, and do whatever possible within my means to help him relocate.

JMO

Agreed. I would get my child out of there on the first thing smokin. I don't recall any direct quotes, but I do remember his stating that he has had death threats. My hopes are that he communicated to LE who the threats were coming from.

 

[southernyankee]

I'm pretty sure police haven't revealed anything about information they've received that had nothing to do with Jessica's attack. I'm betting police know who called her and what the discussion was about and whether they met up or not. What we don't have is any evidence Jessica was the type who "socialized on a whim"....whatever that even means.

Totally would get in on your bet that police know who called her + whether they may have met up! Yes. And good point.

"socializing on a whim" = by that I mean just saying yes to spontaneous social plans. Like getting together for a party. I don't think anyone has to be of a certain type to do this. I just mean that anyone who has ever gotten a call or message on a Saturday evening from a friend saying "hey! this fun thing is going on now/soon/tonight, wanna come?" and been like, "yeah, sounds fun" or "sure, I'll come by for a bit" would fall into this category.

Not to make a sweeping generalization, but I think most people have said "yes" to that sort of invite, especially on a weekend night!

 

[MyBelle]

Wild guessing about that whole "going somewhere" convo that keeps coming up, it seems possible that the way AA tells things it may have been something like his asking her 'Going somewhere?' Then Jessica, out of politeness, not wanting to say, nah, I'm getting gas here and cigs here (maybe cheaper) and cleaning my car in Batesville (not at your place there), just said 'Yes.' That possible 'Yes.' to his question got turned into a whole conversation that seemed much more compelling and indicative while he was being asked on MSM camera. Does that make sense?

No. Jessica wasn't required to tell him where she was going but she did acknowledge he was correct and she was going "somewhere." He also admitted later that he wasn't aware she had been assaulted there a week earlier. In that context, Jessica should have been wary what she said. For all I know, she may have had a stalker.

 

[MyBelle]

Totally would get in on your bet that police know who called her + whether they may have met up! Yes. And good point.

"socializing on a whim" = by that I mean just saying yes to spontaneous social plans. Like getting together for a party. I don't think anyone has to be of a certain type to do this. I just mean that anyone who has ever gotten a call or message on a Saturday evening from a friend saying "hey! this fun thing is going on now/soon/tonight, wanna come?" and been like, "yeah, sounds fun" or "sure, I'll come by for a bit" would fall into this category.

Not to make a sweeping generalization, but I think most people have said "yes" to that sort of invite, especially on a weekend night!

Perhaps so but we don't know that, after being in an abusive relationship, assaulted a week earlier and after a stint at a faith-based shelter, Jessica was so inclined to engage in spontaneous partying.

 

[FelicityLemon]

Because it is a fact? Married people with children rarely live by themselves. The "party" may have been at his house but even if it was, that doesn't mean he was there or that he knew all the names of the attendees. Still, too many unknowns, imo.

I'm sorry if I didn't make myself clear. My point is that his being a married father (or knits tea cozies, or can bench press 800 lbs, put your descriptor here) has nothing to do with anything else mentioned in the interview that I saw, read or heard. I asked because usually a descriptor is like that is added when it either relates to something else being reported or it's intended to point the audience in a specific direction. I didn't see/hear/read anything else and it seemed odd to me, like I had missed a chunk of the interview.

Did they talk about a party?

 

[Ms Pragmatic]

No. Jessica wasn't required to tell him where she was going but she did acknowledge he was correct and she was going "somewhere." He also admitted later that he wasn't aware she had been assaulted there a week earlier. In that context, Jessica should have been wary what she said. For all I know, she may have had a stalker.

Sure, she could have been going to see her pastor. "I'm going somewhere" can mean absolutely anything. No one here can disprove or prove anything about her whereabouts between the gas station and where she was found. We have absolutely NO evidence of where she went. So, your guess is as good as any, including a party, the car wash or even the Backwoods Bar and Grill.

 

[MyBelle]

I'm sorry if I didn't make myself clear. My point is that his being a married father (or knits tea cozies, or can bench press 800 lbs, put your descriptor here) has nothing to do with anything else mentioned in the interview that I saw, read or heard. I asked because usually a descriptor is like that is added when it either relates to something else being reported or it's intended to point the audience in a specific direction. I didn't see/hear/read anything else and it seemed odd to me, like I had missed a chunk of the interview.

Did they talk about a party?

He didn't detail what they talked about that I'm aware of. iirc, It was Ben Chambers who said where she was found was near where the party was held. I think the significance of the party is that JC may have been followed and attacked by someone who either attended the gathering or knew she was going to be there and waited for her to leave.

 

[FelicityLemon]

Sidenote- I'm glad for you that you were confident enough as to not fall prey to the wealthy older men who were surely disappointed in your level-headed decision making in your past.

Paypalling a hug your way! :blushing:

Oh, I'd DEARLY love to take credit for having confidence back then, but it truly was sheer terror more than anything else. Fear is extremely powerful, lol!

Oh my gosh, that site is fascinating and I see I'll be addicted there for a while, too. Scary and fascinating and enlightening.

 

[MyBelle]

Sure, she could have been going to see her pastor. "I'm going somewhere" can mean absolutely anything. No one here can disprove or prove anything about her whereabouts between the gas station and where she was found. We have absolutely NO evidence of where she went. So, your guess is as good as any, including a party, the car wash or even the Backwoods Bar and Grill.

The police have evidence of where she went. They have her phone records and can determine her locations. The Backwoods Bar and Grill does not fit with the location of her car or anyone who told the media they spoke to her or any facts released by police or friends so far.

 

[Yvettea]

He didn't detail what they talked about that I'm aware of. iirc, <B>It was Ben Chambers who said where she was found was near where the party was held. </B>I think the significance of the party is that JC may have been followed and attacked by someone who either attended the gathering or knew she was going to be there and waited for her to leave.

Wondering where Ben Chambers got the in formation there had been a party. From law-enforcement? If they came by at 9:30 the party may still be going on?

 

[Ms Pragmatic]

The police have evidence of where she went. They have her phone records and can determine her locations. The Backwoods Bar and Grill does not fit with the location of her car or anyone who told the media they spoke to her or any facts released by police or friends so far.

And I don't believe her pastor fits in either, but until I see confirmation of where she went, we can all keep guessing and wondering.

 

[MyBelle]

Wondering where Ben Chambers got the in formation there had been a party. From law-enforcement? If they came by at 9:30 the party may still be going on?

Very Possible. It's not like a major metro area. Small area to drive through and see what was going on.