MS - Jessica Chambers, 19, found burned near her car, Panola County, 6 Dec 2014 - #7

[cady]

I believe it is the dedicated people who work there, and not the physical structure, that make places like Leah's House remarkable. JMO.

Now now, lets not read into posts....the house was as non-remarkable as the mission houses that my uncle ran in Detroit during the depression and way beyond for catholic social services. He and his family lived in them as well, and relied on donations for their survival. That is what many religious missions do. JMO My uncle was a wonderful generous and kind person. JMO

 

[absentia]

“She had anger issues," explained Lisa Chambers. "She would I guess get mad because she had to stay at home.”

She said her daughter had gotten counseling for her anger issues.

“Me and her had a problem at home with her mouth and the way she acted," recalled Lisa Chambers. "And we had her sent there so she could learn to act more like a lady. ”

not knowing JC personally, and not having any info about her lifestyle, I would just generalize to think that a 19 yo who was being made to stay home and was angry about it, then sent away to learn her manners (or for whatever reason as there have been many stated), may have been resentful and had some parts of her life kept secret from her family. especially if she perceived that her family had any wrong doings in their past. it would seem hypocritical to a 19 yo. maybe JC was the baby and overprotected. but I don't think you can be as happy and outgoing and sociable as people say she was, and be locked down at home at 19. even if you are changing your ways.

 

[absentia]

YUP Also if they found her on the passenger side of the car. JMO

it doesn't seem like there was time for her to be restrained at the site. she may have been restrained prior to arrival or en route. but if she was restrained at the site, why and how do you untie someone who is on fire? for what purpose? or did they douse her, let her free and light a match?

I agree fully with Mother Ocean's theory. There are other possibilities of course, but that matches to the best common sense and instinct about this IMO.

 

[absentia]

I took that to mean that the attack could be targeted or it could be random or it could be a message to someone. But I think it has already been classified as a homicide and the use of the word "attack" would exclude an accident.

I think they know a lot but don't have the confession, witness statement or ALL the evidence they need to rule anything out conclusively. The law is 100% right or wrong. they can't have it 99% right or they lose a conviction. Until they have the other 1% I think they will continue to be somewhat evasive. When they get the last 1%, we won't hear any more about anything until trial.

But at least when an arrest is made, like Jessie Mathew in Hannah Grahams' murder, we'll know they've got them.

 

[absentia]

The most likely candidate is RDT who also is listed in the Panolian as RDMister (April 8, 2014, page 7) [Unfortunately I can not locate the actual Panolian article. I've looked through issues: April 1, 4, 8, 11, 15, 18, and 23 and she is not listed! However the Panolian search-engine, page 3 clearly states that she was "arrested and charged with driving while license suspended, no proof of insurance and possession of paraphernalia. The case will be heard in Justice Court." ]

yes, but in other arenas, he has named the person who is in an open relationship with him and it is not RDT.

 

[ZOOL]

“She had anger issues," explained Lisa Chambers. "She would I guess get mad because she had to stay at home.”

She said her daughter had gotten counseling for her anger issues.

“Me and her had a problem at home with her mouth and the way she acted," recalled Lisa Chambers. "And we had her sent there so she could learn to act more like a lady. ”

I am sorry but I can not accept Lisa Chambers' remark that "Me and her had a problem at home with her mouth and the way she acted," ... "And we had her sent there so she could learn to act more like a lady."

Jessica had two assault charges against her in the span of a year-and-a-half. Leah's House is quite clear regarding to whom they make their services available. I doubt seriously that among those services are rehabilitation for defiant, mouthy, and profane daughters who are "mad because they had to stay at home." The judge of the Justice Court probably saw something far more serious in the making, and offered Jessica an opportunity to straighten herself out, or face incarceration on her third visit to his court.

I have knowledge of a reason behind Jessica's two assaults yet I am bound by the rules of this board not to mention what I have for knowledge.

I will say however that after hearing the cause behind Jessica's assaults that within Jessica's mindset, and environment, there was a great deal more there than mother-and-daughter issues, and in which counselors at Leah's were trained. Lastly, it is possible (but not probable) that the assaults played a part in her demise.

 

[absentia]

I think it could have been a court option - go somewhere for help or be tried for simple assault. Her mother, with good reason, would have pushed her to go get help in a rehab place like Leah's house. JMO

IMO her mother seems to sort of sugar coat things, or even have a hint of denial about some things and may put a spin on things so they look a certain way - the most innocuous and innocent way possible.

 

[Ms Pragmatic]

IMO her mother seems to sort of sugar coat things, or even have a hint of denial about some things and may put a spin on things so they look a certain way - the most innocuous and innocent way possible.

Agree here. So many times we hear a parent say what a good kid their son/daughter was, but then we see a lengthy rap sheet and think...ummmm, ok. I don't think she was a bad person. Troubled is a better word.

 

[New1]

It looks to me as if she is gesturing toward her car. Something like, "Hey, Jessica, do you have a smoke?"
"Yes, in the car." Gestures toward car.
"What? I can't hear you!"
So, Jessica moves closer to the cig Lady.

OR

"Hey, girl, what's up?"
"Just getting gas." Gestures toward car.
"Oh, come here..."

Sorry, I just don't see it as a gesture toward her car--I've always though that SR called out to Jessica and she looked in that direction and threw her hand up in recognition of her. I've also been thinking that it could have been true that she asked Jessica for a cigarette then refused because it was not her flavor. Marijuana comes to mind as SR's preferred "flavor" and why she would have refused the offer of a regular cigarette.

 

[absentia]

I am sorry but I can not accept Lisa Chambers' remark that "Me and her had a problem at home with her mouth and the way she acted," ... "And we had her sent there so she could learn to act more like a lady."

Jessica had two assault charges against her in the span of a year-and-a-half. Leah's House is quite clear regarding to whom they make their services available. I doubt seriously that among those services are rehabilitation for defiant, mouthy, and profane daughters who are "mad because they had to stay at home." The judge of the Justice Court probably saw something far more serious in the making, and offered Jessica an opportunity to straighten herself out, or face incarceration on her third visit to his court.

I have knowledge of a reason behind Jessica's two assaults yet I am bound by the rules of this board not to mention what I have for knowledge.

I will say however that after hearing the cause behind Jessica's assaults that within Jessica's mindset, and environment, there was a great deal more there than mother-and-daughter issues, and in which counselors at Leah's were trained. Lastly, it is possible (but not probable) that the assaults played a part in her demise.

as I said, I think JC's mom tends to sugar coat things. reading between the lines of her comments gives insight into the dynamics in the family and those effects on JC.

 

[absentia]

Agree here. So many times we hear a parent say what a good kid their son/daughter was, but then we see a lengthy rap sheet and think...ummmm, ok. I don't think she was a bad person. Troubled is a better word.

troubled for sure, and very likely not given the tools she needed to survive in the world she lived.

 

[Ms Pragmatic]

I am sorry but I can not accept Lisa Chambers' remark that "Me and her had a problem at home with her mouth and the way she acted," ... "And we had her sent there so she could learn to act more like a lady."

Jessica had two assault charges against her in the span of a year-and-a-half. Leah's House is quite clear regarding to whom they make their services available. I doubt seriously that among those services are rehabilitation for defiant, mouthy, and profane daughters who are "mad because they had to stay at home." The judge of the Justice Court probably saw something far more serious in the making, and offered Jessica an opportunity to straighten herself out, or face incarceration on her third visit to his court.

I have knowledge of a reason behind Jessica's two assaults yet I am bound by the rules of this board not to mention what I have for knowledge.

I will say however that after hearing the cause behind Jessica's assaults that within Jessica's mindset, and environment, there was a great deal more there than mother-and-daughter issues, and in which counselors at Leah's were trained. Lastly, it is possible (but not probable) that the assaults played a part in her demise.

This is an excellent post, Zool. There were possibly drug issues. We also know she had at least two bad relationships she was involved in. She was definitely making some poor choices. I think what you can probably see if we had more information is a downward spiral from about 16 or 17 to the time she went to Leah's. I really think this case will boil down to that she was sleeping with the wrong man. JMO, but the lover's quarrel quote from mister/tutor interview stands out to me. And it was speculated that she was choked at the gas station(we have no proof). That choking smacks of some angry female warning Jessica to stay away from her man.

 

[cady]

IMO her mother seems to sort of sugar coat things, or even have a hint of denial about some things and may put a spin on things so they look a certain way - the most innocuous and innocent way possible.

Agree. I tend to doubt that JC was supervised much in her childhood. One would hope that she was kept away from Daddy's "kitchen", but apparently her brother was not. JMO

 

[Ms Pragmatic]

as I said, I think JC's mom tends to sugar coat things. reading between the lines of her comments gives insight into the dynamics in the family and those effects on JC.

You are dead on. No mother wants to admit to the home contributing to their child's issues. Parents are very often in denial. Not to say there aren't just some bad seeds, but we already know dad and brother's crim history.

 

[samantha17]

Nice snag. That's a generator filmed outside his home, all right.

thank you, thank you, thank you

 

[menmo]

I'm in partial agreement. I believe Jessica wasn't in the car at all. I find a problem with that though. How do you control someone who's on fire. I'm guessing restraints. Maybe that's why LE ruled it a homicide so quickly, she had some sort of ligature, or evidence of ligatures even though they were destroyed by fire. I guess you could use large wire wraps like LE do in mass arrest situations. How long would those last directly exposed to flame though? I guess you could use metal cuffs, but assuming they were trying to make it look like an accidental car fire, those would really stand out. I think there were at least three people there though. I can't see Jessica being contained by Just two people if she were struggling for her life. That level of adrenaline would have afforded her the strength I think to at least break free from her assailants. One perp manages the car, another manages Jessica, the third acts a lookout and also as a failsafe to restrain, or recapture the victim.

If I were going to attempt such a crime the minimum people I'd have is 4. Two for the main crime, two shooters in case anyone stops by to assist the victim or to act as backup or lookouts.

All MOO.

I've thought, too, for quite awhile that she was restrained. Zip ties and duct tape keep coming to my mind. Both would eventually be destroyed by the fire.

JMO

 

[Ms Pragmatic]

I've thought, too, for quite awhile that she was restrained. Zip ties and duct tape keep coming to my mind. Both would eventually be destroyed by the fire.

JMO

Just a scary, scary thought. But an excellent one, IMO. I had never considered restraints and that makes sense.

 

[FelicityLemon]

... but I don't think you can be as happy and outgoing and sociable as people say she was, and be locked down at home at 19. even if you are changing your ways.

I respectfully disagree with that final statement. Oh, how I completely understand what you're saying, and but speaking from my own experience, once I was out of that part of my life and working towards a positive outlook on life, I absolutely flourished living at home with love and support of my family. I would have included my friends in that statement, except that those friends were all still in the party life. As you say and I agree, we don't know her or what was in her mind, but maybe she was relieved to have the excuse of home lockdown to avoid seeing those people from the negative part of her life? I didn't feel the need to lie to my family when I was out of that life and that was a tremendous relief (from guilt, from lying that can then lead to depression, choosing the wrong people, partying, lying...)

Maybe she really was moving towards a good place to be because that's what it looks like to me.

She was an adult living with her parents. Nothing wrong with that, I did it, too. But, it's their house, their rules. As an adult, if there was an altercation with her mother, the ultimatum could have been: 1) you're an adult, 2) you are living in my home, 3) We have rules here, 4) you chose to assault me, 5) I can press charges (not out of retaliation, but to get her daughter help no matter how it comes about, 6) as part of the house rules, you may live here and we will love you as always, and we will do everything in our power to support you and help get your life together as long as you attend regular counseling after your release from *probable* court-ordered Leah's House.

While it's possible she may have been hiding things from her parents, I don't believe this was the case after Leah's House. It does look as though she was living a different life - at least according to her SM.

All this is my opinion which is skewed by my own experiences. Just thinkin' out loud. In writing. On the web. For ever and ever. Oh, well.

 

[New1]

I think we should be considering that as far as we know, there is no talk of nor any sign of other tire tracks at the scene. I doubt that the fire truck parked that close to a burning car, nor did the ambulance or the police. From the pictures of the scene, it looks like just tracks from the tow truck and Jessica's car were left there. For another vehicle to have been parked on that embankment and leave tracks there, they would have had to drive precisely in the same ruts that Jessica's car left, then back out the same way. Not very likely, especially for someone in a hurry to leave. Of course they could have parked their car on the pavement or some distance from Jessica's car for all we know. Barring that scenario, shouldn't we consider who had the best chance of escaping on foot, whose first name is Eric, who lives within a 3 minute walk from the scene, and whose house police went to after only an hour and fifteen minutes from the time the 911 call came in at 8:13 pm? All MOO.

 

[absentia]

Agree here. So many times we hear a parent say what a good kid their son/daughter was, but then we see a lengthy rap sheet and think...ummmm, ok. I don't think she was a bad person. Troubled is a better word.

I think JC was in a double bind. On one hand, some people in her family engaged in dangerous activities. on the other, she learned to be extremely trusting and naive and vulnerable/open in the face of people who put her at risk, so we've heard, and to see the best in people. she did not learn to protect herself it seems. those "anger problems" were possibly the fight or flight reaction one has in dangerous situations when one does not have other skills to protect one's self or to get away. she did not seem to have safe boundaries. not that this lead to what happened to her, but I don't think she had the savvy to know when to get away from bad situations or bad people. I think she probably put other people first and did what they wanted from her instead of protecting herself. Just an observation about family dynamics in general, and the effects on the victims of dysfunctional or abusive dynamics/families and personality disorders which may or not be in play in her family.