MS - Jessica Chambers, 19, found burned near her car, Panola County, 6 Dec 2014 - #7

[MyBelle]

Who can say that no one tampered with Jessica's car at the M&M? The guy who went in to get something to drink?

Jessica's car should not have been driven to a convenience store. It should have gone straight to an LE lot. IMO, the burn site should have been secured and guarded that first night. How much investigative work could have been done on her car in 1 hour in the dark? Any good defense lawyer can point to Jessica's car being driven to the M&M and say any evidence was planted at that time. Dumb. dumb, dumb move, even if an expert can say her car was not tampered with after it left the site, IMO, it opens up reasonable doubt. How many times have we seen in cases, jurors say that expert testimony didn't make that big a difference in their decision?

After her car was driven from the burn site, the site should have at least been secured. Crime scene tape was not even put up until Dec. 9th, 3 DAYS after the incident. Again, because the site was not secured, evidence can be thrown out or a defense attorney can say evidence was planted or tampered with.

CNN reporter saw LE picking up items a few days after Jessica was burned. WTH was up with that?

IMO, the only way this case will be solved and a case stick is with a confession, an eyewitness turning state's evidence, or if when Jessica was examined, the coroner found semen and evidence of vaginal and/or anal trauma. Semen alone will not be enough because a defendant can claim that Jessica agreed to have sex. I pray that Jessica will receive justice.

A forensic expert will be able to determine if the car or any other piece of evidence has been tampered with and can testify to the analysis at trial.

I'm baffled how you think the car could have been tampered with that would persuade a judge not to allow it into evidence. It was a burned out shell firmly secured to the tow truck when it was at the convenience store.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

It's highly likely!

Mother said she was on Jessica that day about cleaning her room. Jessica had spent good portion of day in bed - could have been depression or simply down-time we all need. Mother and daughter could have been snarky to each other "don't nag me" and daughter needs some air before things could possibly escalate, so she goes to do some errands. While away from source of discord, mother calls to (?) apologize, "let's discuss" whatever. And feeling a little better after leaving the house, they talked for 20 minutes.

I remember being 19. We didn't have cell phones then or this could have been me. Mom and I always talked at length after a disagreement when we had both cooled off a little.

My opinion and speculation only.

A teenager being snarky with mother is a normal fact of life. It has nothing to do with Jessica's murder, imo.

 

[absentia]

A forensic expert will be able to determine if the car or any other piece of evidence has been tampered with and can testify to the analysis at trial.

I'm baffled how you think the car could have been tampered with that would persuade a judge not to allow it into evidence. It was a burned out shell firmly secured to the tow truck when it was at the convenience store.

JMO

in this particular case, since the car was burned out and I assume they have pix of that fact from the crime scene and not just AA's FB pix from M&M, the evidence that the car was burned is obvious. but say they find remaining DNA in the car or a type of accelerant? the fact that is was exposed to other people means that evidence will not be allowed. anyone could have gotten their DNA in the car or spilled gas on the car while it was parked at M&M. the defense will argue that a curious person climbed in the car to look at it and that's how their DNA got there. or they were filling a gas can and climbed on the tow truck and spilled it and that's where the accelerant came from.

 

[MyBelle]

I don't disagree MyBelle. It may not solve the case but this heinous crime needs far more exposure than it is now receiving and that is basically zilch. Many people do watch NG and exposure may just tweak someone's mind about someone or some folks who have been acting abnormally. We have to open as many doors as possible. Sometimes it's a freak happening or the tiniest of clues that can solve a murder.

The murder is receiving tremendous local media coverage and the Governor has weighed in as well. I doubt there is anyone locally who is not reading local media and instead turns to Nancy Grace. This is not a missing person case. I think if LE thought it would be helpful, they would ask Nancy to do a segment.

JMO

 

[machiado]

I get email alerts from the Panolian. This was posted today: There was a "chase and shoot" in Batesville Tuesday afternoon with apparently no serious injuries. Two were arrested.

 

[absentia]

Who can say that no one tampered with Jessica's car at the M&M? The guy who went in to get something to drink?

Jessica's car should not have been driven to a convenience store. It should have gone straight to an LE lot. IMO, the burn site should have been secured and guarded that first night. How much investigative work could have been done on her car in 1 hour in the dark? Any good defense lawyer can point to Jessica's car being driven to the M&M and say any evidence was planted at that time. Dumb. dumb, dumb move, even if an expert can say her car was not tampered with after it left the site, IMO, it opens up reasonable doubt. How many times have we seen in cases, jurors say that expert testimony didn't make that big a difference in their decision?

After her car was driven from the burn site, the site should have at least been secured. Crime scene tape was not even put up until Dec. 9th, 3 DAYS after the incident. Again, because the site was not secured, evidence can be thrown out or a defense attorney can say evidence was planted or tampered with.

CNN reporter saw LE picking up items a few days after Jessica was burned. WTH was up with that?

IMO, the only way this case will be solved and a case stick is with a confession, an eyewitness turning state's evidence, or if when Jessica was examined, the coroner found semen and evidence of vaginal and/or anal trauma. Semen alone will not be enough because a defendant can claim that Jessica agreed to have sex. I pray that Jessica will receive justice.

I think this is the reason for the increased reward. LE may know exactly who did this and they may have evidence which is now inadmissible due to improper handling, so they need the confession, witness statement or evidence other than what was at the crime scene. So now they need the witness or confession. I agree that there were 2-4 people involved and the reward is likely to entice one or more of those people to fess up and possibly cut a deal by naming the instigator.

 

[absentia]

I get email alerts from the Panolian. This was posted today: There was a "chase and shoot" in Batesville Tuesday afternoon with apparently no serious injuries. Two were arrested.

do you have a subscription to see the full story?

 

[MyBelle]

in this particular case, since the car was burned out and I assume they have pix of that fact from the crime scene and not just AA's FB pix from M&M, the evidence that the car was burned is obvious. but say they find remaining DNA in the car or a type of accelerant? the fact that is was exposed to other people means that evidence will not be allowed. anyone could have gotten their DNA in the car or spilled gas on the car while it was parked at M&M. the defense will argue that a curious person climbed in the car to look at it and that's how their DNA got there. or they were filling a gas can and climbed on the tow truck and spilled it and that's where the accelerant came from.

Where do you get that the car was exposed to other people? Was someone seen climbing onto the tow truck in the few minutes the driver was there? Just because something is possible doesn't mean it happened. The car was on a tow truck.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

I get email alerts from the Panolian. This was posted today: There was a "chase and shoot" in Batesville Tuesday afternoon with apparently no serious injuries. Two were arrested.

The amount of violence in that small community is truly alarming.

 

[MizStery]

Who can say that no one tampered with Jessica's car at the M&M? The guy who went in to get something to drink?

Jessica's car should not have been driven to a convenience store. It should have gone straight to an LE lot. IMO, the burn site should have been secured and guarded that first night. How much investigative work could have been done on her car in 1 hour in the dark? Any good defense lawyer can point to Jessica's car being driven to the M&M and say any evidence was planted at that time. Dumb. dumb, dumb move, even if an expert can say her car was not tampered with after it left the site, IMO, it opens up reasonable doubt. How many times have we seen in cases, jurors say that expert testimony didn't make that big a difference in their decision?

After her car was driven from the burn site, the site should have at least been secured. Crime scene tape was not even put up until Dec. 9th, 3 DAYS after the incident. Again, because the site was not secured, evidence can be thrown out or a defense attorney can say evidence was planted or tampered with.

CNN reporter saw LE picking up items a few days after Jessica was burned. WTH was up with that?

IMO, the only way this case will be solved and a case stick is with a confession, an eyewitness turning state's evidence, or if when Jessica was examined, the coroner found semen and evidence of vaginal and/or anal trauma. Semen alone will not be enough because a defendant can claim that Jessica agreed to have sex. I pray that Jessica will receive justice.

Jujube I am also worried.
i originally posted this back on thread #5.

Crime scene transfer of evidence protocol is standard operating procedure for 'most' juristrictions. That chain of command evidence will probably be challenged in the courtroom.
<snipped>
As I said in an earlier post-the tow truck leaving the crime scene and willynilly stopping at the M&M will likely resurface at trial. If he is called to testify~I guarantee you it will be a gift to the defense. Just the innuendo of breeches in protocol and 'potentially tainted' crime scene evidence could 'poison the well'.
That's what the defense does they capitalize on perceived sloppiness to adherence & compliance in LE procedures.
But,to all who hold another opinion I declare :truce: Since we are all entitled to our own opinions on this topic.
:moo:

 

[MyBelle]

Does anyone know if there will be a transcript provided for the chat?

That would really be helpful in this case in order to put to rest the speculation about Jessica's parents. I can't speak for anybody else but I feel these parents are truly enduring an incredible nightmare that absolutely is of no fault of their own.

 

[jujube]

Where do you get that the car was exposed to other people? Was someone seen climbing onto the tow truck in the few minutes the driver was there? Just because something is possible doesn't mean it happened. The car was on a tow truck.

JMO

Where do you get that it wasn't exposed to other people?
Did you see news footage of the people coming and going at M&M? It's the Grand Central Station of that area, at least from the footage I've seen. Ali got up close and personal to take the pictures of Jessica's car. In any event, the tow truck stopping at M&M was not professional. Even Champion said in the full interview that he wished that it would not have happened.

 

[MyBelle]

Jujube I am also worried.
i originally posted this back on thread #5.

Crime scene transfer of evidence protocol is standard operating procedure for 'most' juristrictions. That chain of command evidence will probably be challenged in the courtroom.
<snipped>
As I said in an earlier post-the tow truck leaving the crime scene and willynilly stopping at the M&M will likely resurface at trial. If he is called to testify~I guarantee you it will be a gift to the defense. Just the innuendo of breeches in protocol and 'potentially tainted' crime scene evidence could 'poison the well'.

But,to all who hold another opinion I declare :truce: Since we are all entitled to our own opinions on this topic.
:moo:

You guarantee? Posting a link is all I can do to support my opinion that there must be proof the evidence was tampered with. I think none us can guarantee what will happen at trial.

That there was no tampering with the item while it was in custody.


http://ovc.ncjrs.gov/sartkit/develop/issues-coc.html

 

[Ms Pragmatic]

Where do you get that it wasn't exposed to other people?
Did you see news footage of the people coming and going at M&M? It's the Grand Central Station of that area, at least from the footage I've seen. Ali got up close and personal to take the pictures of Jessica's car. In any event, the tow truck stopping at M&M was not professional. Even Champion said in the full interview that he wished that it would not have happened.

Yes. He did say that. He was being questioned about it and rightfully so. That car WAS the largest piece of evidence they had. If we lay people are questioning its handling, I can imagine what a decent defense lawyer could do. There is absolutely no excuse for that to happen. I don't care if it is a small town or not, there are rules to follow when evidence is being handled.

 

[MyBelle]

Where do you get that it wasn't exposed to other people?
Did you see news footage of the people coming and going at M&M? It's the Grand Central Station of that area, at least from the footage I've seen. Ali got up close and personal to take the pictures of Jessica's car. In any event, the tow truck stopping at M&M was not professional. Even Champion said in the full interview that he wished that it would not have happened.

The tow truck also was seen by anyone driving by it whether at the gas station or on the highway. Visually seeing something doesn't equate to having access to it in order to tamper with it.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

Yes. He did say that. He was being questioned about it and rightfully so. That car WAS the largest piece of evidence they had. If we lay people are questioning its handling, I can imagine what a decent defense lawyer could do. There is absolutely no excuse for that to happen. I don't care if it is a small town or not, there are rules to follow when evidence is being handled.

Can you link to the rules LE didn't follow? That would be helpful, imo. Thanks.

 

[FelicityLemon]

A teenager being snarky with mother is a normal fact of life. It has nothing to do with Jessica's murder, imo.

omg, lol!

 

[Vedder]

The tow truck also was seen by anyone driving by it whether at the gas station or on the highway. Visually seeing something doesn't equate to having access to it in order to tamper with it.

JMO

The driver leaving the tow truck opens up the possibility of tampering. Reasonable doubt.

 

[Ms Pragmatic]

Can you link to the rules LE didn't follow? That would be helpful, imo. Thanks.

Ask a law enforcement officer for a link. There are universal rules for handling evidence. For instance, picking up a suspected murder weapon. I am not LE, but I know if I found a discarded weapon, I wouldn't pick it up. Common sense.

 

[Damarna]

The problem, IMO, is that the tow truck driver (who would be been the one in custody of the car) may not be able to testify that the evidence was NOT tampered with because he did not have physical and probably visual custody of said evidence while in the store. Its just an unfortunate thing that can throw a monkey wrench into the prosecution, MOO.