MS - Jessica Chambers, 19, found burned near her car, Panola County, 6 Dec 2014 - #8

[Yvettea]

If LE never told EB what Jessica said, seems pretty significant! Guess he's the only source for this information? If that's true, certainly gives me hope that LE has a good lead.

Now that I think about it I don't think this amounts to anything at all. Everybody in Courtland knew what was happening by the next morning I imagine. How did MSM find the EB's house? Probably just asked somebody in Courtland. EB could be repeating, in the interview, information that he's heard elsewhere.

In the future if I have interest in a crime I will immediately pack my bags and go to that locale. Best way to get the information.

 

[:+:MrTT:+:]

That looks like a dirt driveway that is blocked by the metal fence on google street view, and there is a specific address of the crime scene...not just Herron Road....*2352* Herron Road. So, that dirt driveway leads to somebody's mailing address I would think. I've searched 411.com for that address and got no results. Does anybody know other ways to find out who gets mail at that address? Or who owns property at that address?

Never mind. Found property owner for that address and it didn't lead me anywhere. I was just wondering why anyone would drive up that embankment, when there was a level dirt driveway right beside it and a metal fence instead of trees that might catch fire.

Exactly. That is why I wondered and asked if one or both car doors were opened when they arrived. Looks like the vehicle made a sharp turn and stop there. Makes me wonder if the fire started before the car came to a complete stop?? Maybe smoke was making her vision poor. She was burnt i Believe 98 percent of her body. So the two percent not burnt would have been what? The bottoms of her feet perhaps?

To burn her outside the vehicle one would have to burn one side then roll her over and burn the over side I am guessing. And why do that, when to leave her in the vehicle would have been easier?

Makes me wonder if she parked there, because there was a fire inside, and when she stopped to get out it became engulfed in flames and burned her and she fell where they found her........That or perhaps someone seen what happened and opened the door to drag her out and left here there without sticking around to report what they had seen.....................Just guessing on everything, without knowing about the car door/doors its hard to say.

 

[SStarr33]

Exactly. That is why I wondered and asked if one or both car doors were openend when they arrived. Looks like the vehicle made a sharp turn and stop there. Makes me wonder if the fire started before the car came to a complete stop?? She was burnt i Believe 98 percent of her body. So the two percent not burnt would have been what? The bottoms of her feet perhaps?

To burn her outside the vehicle one would have to burn one side then roll her over and burn the over side I am guessing. And why do that, when to leave her in the vehicle would have been easier?

Makes me wonder if she parked there, because there was a fire inside, and when she stopped to get out it became enguled in flames and burned her.......That or perhaps someone seen what happened and opened the door to drag her out and left here there without sticking around to report what they had seen.....................Just guessing on everything, without knowing about the car door/doors its hard to say.

The drivers side door is open at the lot where it was towed. Not sure if it was like that when they got to it.

 

[SteveP]

OneLove, your post got me to thinking that if the 1st crime scene was somewhere else,like in Batesville, why wouldn't the perp/s have ditched it (threw it out the window) somewhere between the two locations while they were taking JC and her car to that spot on Herron Road?

It is possible that no one saw her cell phone until she was at Herron Rd and perhaps had an opportunity to try to use it, and it was grabbed from her, battery was removed and they were tossed. Also possible that she tossed it, hoping that it might be found by LE and have clues that would lead to suspect(s). I personally think the first hypothesis is more likely, and perhaps after burning her and the car, they could not immediately find her phone and didn't want to risk being caught spending time looking for it. JMO

ETA I believe there was a crime scene before Herron Rd, and believe she was driven to Herron Rd by at least one suspect, maybe two, while yet another suspect followed in a getaway vehicle. Again, JMO

 

[:+:MrTT:+:]

The drivers side door is open at the lot where it was towed. Not sure if it was like that when they got to it.

Thank you for that. In the video when there taking it from the scene and its on the tow truck the doors are closed. So perhaps when they towed it where they took it they opened the door to do something inside to release it from the truck..

To me if the doors were closed, then i would suspect foul play. BUT, if the door especially the drivers door was found opened than I am not so certain this was murder.....I read, that she had gotten gas yes?, and someone reported she got more than she usually does is this correct?

I am sure the LEOs already looked into this and has discarded a major mechanical malfunction that could have lead to the car being engulfed by flames. I have seen vehicles on the side of the road burning totally after setting for just a short time depended on what started the fire. If she continued to drive for a distance while having a problem, by the time she stopped where found, enough time may had passed to cause the vehicle to burst into flames while she was still setting in it.

From the video the fire was so hot and intense the tires on the rims had even burnt off.

But then again the LEOs say there looking for a murderer so the above is probably mute and voided. They know more than we so I don't know.

 

[NineMilly]

There IS a connection between EB and JC, but not directly. You just have to search on other sites to find it and put it together. However, there seems to be a connection between almost everyone in this town, either directly or indirectly.

Just as auntie Sha-Sha has had her feet held to the fire on her "mis-speak" so should EB if he clearly states that he didn't know JC but verifiable links can contradict his statement. There is a case here in Michigan where an LE has been arrested for the murder of an 11 yr. old girl. He is in jail on perjury charges and faces life in prison on these charges because they were having troubles proving murder although all evidence clearly leads to him as the perp. Just a different angle of attack from LE if you will........

 

[New1]

Exactly. That is why I wondered and asked if one or both car doors were opened when they arrived. Looks like the vehicle made a sharp turn and stop there. Makes me wonder if the fire started before the car came to a complete stop?? Maybe smoke was making her vision poor. She was burnt i Believe 98 percent of her body. So the two percent not burnt would have been what? The bottoms of her feet perhaps?

To burn her outside the vehicle one would have to burn one side then roll her over and burn the over side I am guessing. And why do that, when to leave her in the vehicle would have been easier?

Makes me wonder if she parked there, because there was a fire inside, and when she stopped to get out it became engulfed in flames and burned her and she fell where they found her........That or perhaps someone seen what happened and opened the door to drag her out and left here there without sticking around to report what they had seen.....................Just guessing on everything, without knowing about the car door/doors its hard to say.

Except that LE ruled it a homicide right away. Not an accident, IMO.

 

[Yvettea]

Just as auntie Sha-Sha has had her feet held to the fire on her "mis-speak" so should EB if he clearly states that he didn't know JC but verifiable links can contradict his statement. There is a case here in Michigan where an LE has been arrested for the murder of an 11 yr. old girl. He is in jail on perjury charges and faces life in prison on these charges because they were having troubles proving murder although all evidence clearly leads to him as the perp. Just a different angle of attack from LE if you will........

They didn't play tape of EB saying he didn't know JC. It was Janice Broach who reported that. It seems law enforcement would be all over this if they knew it wasn't true what EB said to them.

 

[NineMilly]

They didn't play tape of EB saying he didn't know JC. It was Janice Broach who reported that. It seems law enforcement would be all over this if they knew it wasn't true what EB said to them.

http://m.wmctv.com/wmctv/pm_/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=od:3uTS5AeD

"Bibbs told the detective he did not know Jessica Chambers and wasn't even aware of what had happened to her. The investigator never told him why he was being questioned."

I see no reason Janice Broach would put her professional credibility on the line. I'd reason to guess that was his actual response to detectives. At least worth a reexamination if that's what LE is said to be doing based upon initial questioning imo. Additionally, if the investigator didn't tell him why he was being questioned then why/how would he know that his name could have been one of the last spoken by JC?

 

[Yvettea]

http://m.wmctv.com/wmctv/pm_/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=od:3uTS5AeD

"Bibbs told the detective he did not know Jessica Chambers and wasn't even aware of what had happened to her. The investigator never told him why he was being questioned."

I see no reason Janice Broach would put her professional credibility on the line. I'd reason to guess that was his actual response to detectives. At least worth a reexamination if that's what LE is said to be doing based upon initial questioning imo. Additionally, if the investigator didn't tell him why he was being questioned then why/how would he know that his name could have been one of the last spoken by JC?

If reported accurately, yes I hope they reexamined. Bibbs said they told him there was an accident up the road and his name was mentioned.

 

[1&2&3]

I have wondered about this from the beginning .... fire chief Cole surely had enough sense not to disclose to none LE the names Jessica uttered before her death = that is VERY important that only LE should have known. So the info was leaked to the community and became common knowledge by Eric Bibbs in an interview ???? Is this correct .... if this is correct then why was the info of the names stated almost immediately in all media reports?

In the beginning, I do not think any of the leaders in this town had the forethought this case would bring in the big guns from the various agencies. They would just carry on like usual, whatever their "usual" was. As we immediately saw the removal of the burned car in the dark, the tow truck stopping at the M&M, etc. The town would accept whatever the officials said or however they worked the case.

So slipping the name out was just the norm in this town. Maybe a warning or that name carried a message? Who knows? I just find it difficult that she could articulate loud enough that the fire chief could both hear her and understand her.

My opinions only!

 

[NineMilly]

If reported accurately, yes I hope they reexamined. Bibbs said they told him there was an accident up the road and his name was mentioned.

Bibbs can't say "The investigator never told him why he was being questioned" and in the next breath state "they told him there was an accident up the road and his name was mentioned". Maybe I'm missing something but to me this seems contradictory.

 

[Yvettea]

Bibbs can't say "The investigator never told him why he was being questioned" and in the next breath state "they told him there was an accident up the road and his name was mentioned". Maybe I'm missing something but to me this seems contradictory.

I would tend to agree. So why not play the tape of EB saying that?

 

[NineMilly]

I would tend to agree. So why not play the tape of EB saying that?

Hopefully the reporter did tape it and could submit it to LE. I'm familiar with the work that reporters do, and more often than not, the conversation is recorded. I'll email her and let you know if I receive a response. Please keep in mind, I've never publicly hypothesized what I think happened in this case as I could go many different directions. I think it's important that we use known facts as there seem to be so many unknowns. That is why I went back to the beginning and this is one thing that stood out to me. I'd hope EB is innocent but I do feel there is still some vetting room based upon what he is quoted as saying.

 

[Yvettea]

Today I used Google Earth to drive Herron Road. The thing that stood out to me about the crime scene is that it is at the crest of a hill. Then the car was driven further uphill on the shoulder of the road. It hardly seems like a site you would choose when trying to hide anything despite the fact there are trees obscuring the site from the north.

Along the road are many places you could pull off, considerably further off the road obscuring the activity. There's even a cemetery a considerable distance off the road; I doubt anyone was there that night.

So why this particular site for a crime esp. for a fire which is readily visible at night. It's almost as if the criminals wanted it to be seen. Has anyone considered this?

 

[Mahouston69]

Today I used Google Earth to drive Herron Road. The thing that stood out to me about the crime scene is that it is at the crest of a hill. Then the car was driven further uphill on the shoulder of the road. It hardly seems like a site you would choose when trying to hide anything despite the fact there are trees obscuring the site from the north.

Along the road are many places you could pull off, considerably further off the road obscuring the activity. There's even a cemetery a considerable distance off the road; I doubt anyone was there that night.

So why this particular site for a crime esp. for a fire which is readily visible at night. It's almost as if the criminals wanted it to be seen. Has anyone considered this?

I may have misread but I thought I read there was damage to the back of her car, when it was not damaged in the video of her before she was found....so I'm thinking this is where whomever successfully hit her car from behind and just happened to be the place they successfully ran her off the road or further pushed her up the embankment if she was already pulled over there because of car trouble, meeting someone, using her phone etc..

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I may have misread but I thought I read there was damage to the back of her car, when it was not damaged in the video of her before she was found....so I'm thinking this is where whomever successfully hit her car from behind and just happened to be the place they successfully ran her off the road or further pushed her up the embankment if she was already pulled over there because of car trouble, meeting someone, using her phone etc..

I believe they said the damage in the rear of the vehicle came from officials trying to get into the trunk and there was no other damage.

 

[menmo]

I may have misread but I thought I read there was damage to the back of her car, when it was not damaged in the video of her before she was found....so I'm thinking this is where whomever successfully hit her car from behind and just happened to be the place they successfully ran her off the road or further pushed her up the embankment if she was already pulled over there because of car trouble, meeting someone, using her phone etc..

I have no idea where the link is but I've read that the back of the car was damaged by the firemen or LE (sorry can't remember which) trying to pry open the trunk.

 

[SteveP]

I believe they said the damage in the rear of the vehicle came from officials trying to get into the trunk and there was no other damage.

Yes, and any other damage was apparently consistent with buckling of metal caused by the intense heat of the fire, according to several here who seemed to have knowledge of auto bodies. JMO

 

[Yvettea]

Do you ever find when you write something --- and you post it --- that it helps you decide whether you really believe it or not? There's something about making that commitment to putting it on the message board and seeing it there large as life, that makes you commit to an opinion. Or maybe say nah, that's not right. Well, that's the way it works for me.

Driving down Herron Road just showed me something. It gave me a piece of the puzzle that was missing. I drove all the way from town; it's a nice little drive. So sad that it ended so horribly for Jess. I'm hoping her killer will confess soon, if he has a heart. His scheme didn't work and as time goes by he will be more and more exposed.

Hope that's not too hazy to satisfy. My best to you all.