MS - Jessica Chambers, 19, found burned near her car, Panola County, 6 Dec 2014 - #8

[OneLove]

You can't press charges for paranoia, can you?

It does sound convoluted. I do understand reasons for this, so this is is an 'observation' and not a 'criticism'.

Is it possible that LC's mom suspected her of doing 'certain' drugs that are known to cause paranoia and she just can't bring herself to say that now? The same class of drug also causes agressive behavior.

She herself would have had experience with that, kwim? And possibly she had a prior very sad experience with that with another child and didn't want to lose JC down the same rabbit hole.

Wanting verrry badddly to leave Leah's house in the first 3 days would also be consistent with that issue.

 

[Yvettea]

It is possible that Jessica's mother had to call the cops one day because Jessica's behaviour was strange and/or threatening.

I have a life experience to share with you. About three years ago, my father lived with one of my brothers (who was 25 at the time). My brother started drinking socially, and then alone at home. One night, my father had to call my sister because my brother was chasing him through the house, making threats to kill him. My father got out of the house, wearing only pajama bottoms, with no car keys, afraid that my brother would come and get him outside. My sister arrived just in time. He jumped into her car and she managed to drive out of the driveway before my brother could get to the car.

This was the first time that was my brother was acting like that so my father didn't press charges but urged him to stop drinking. Then, about one month later, while my father was away at friends', my brother nearly destroyed the house. He broke everything in sight (even the basement staircase, toilet seats, TVs, etc) and emptied a fire extinguisher in the bedrooms. When he came home, my father called the police. Yes, he loved my brother but he was now afraid of him, and also the insurance company told him that he had to press charges otherwise he wouldn't be covered.

It turned out that my brother has a mental disorder called borderline personality that gets aggravated by alcohol abuse. He had to go to therapy and even to mental institutes. Twice.

Why am I sharing this? Because, as you said, it usually does take a lot for a parent to call the police on their children. But it does happen. And mental illnesses are often not diagnosed until something big happens. Moreover, most parents won't dare to speak about it to others in fear of judgement.

In Jessica's case, perhaps she had a mental illness. Perhaps she was using drugs that caused her to get paranoid and then act violently or in a very weird way. Drugs make people do strange things sometimes. Or perhaps she was just a typical 19 year old teenager girl having trouble to get along with her parents.

Since I can't like this over and over again, thanks::clap::clap::goodpost::goodpost::goodpost:

 

[MotherOcean]

Maybe Lisa is on some type of medication that affected her speech, or maybe the trauma of everything has caused her to speak a bit awkwardly. I am from the deep South and we all talk slow with a drawl that may sound like slurred speech to others. I don't understand her reaction to the topic of the party. She seemed incredulous at the very idea, but then said she had heard about it before. Sounds like she doesn't believe it. Maybe she was responding to the validity of the idea... like she had heard about it but didn't want it spoken of as a fact. I don't know. That just seemed odd. It also sounded like she thinks Auntie has relevant info. Maybe she hasn't sought out Auntie because she has some level of anger, fear, or distrust towards her, and she doesn't want a problem to develop between them. Maybe she has been asked by LE to avoid Auntie. Again, I don't know, but something is up with that IMO.

 

[MyBelle]

Good point.....if JC was "paranoid" and since has been murdered, perhaps she had reason to be paranoid.

Paranoia is fairly common in battered women after they have left an abusive relationship. The most dangerous time is after they leave the relationship.

Distrust, paranoia and not trusting your decisions are frequent after an abuse relationship. You will become aware of these thoughts and it may bring you down, and even push you into a depressive state.



http://www.peaceandhealing.com/psychology/battered-woman-syndrome/

 

[MyBelle]

Hmm. I still wasn't sure if I believed in the party myself. Especially if I had to take Charlotte's word.

I'm still unsure whether there was an actual party or was Jessica lured somewhere under the ruse it was a party.

 

[tlcya]

Having listened. My Own Impressions.

There are things Lisa genuinely does not know and is surprised about. There are things she is descussing or descrbing broadly in an effort to explain the dynamic but not speak ill of IYKWIM. There are things she does not know because she has been asked not to discuss them but is taken aback and unpracticed at deception and so when asked she dances a bit.


JMO

 

[flatfootjoe]

Maybe Lisa is on some type of medication that affected her speech, or maybe the trauma of everything has caused her to speak a bit awkwardly. I am from the deep South and we all talk slow with a drawl that may sound like slurred speech to others. I don't understand her reaction to the topic of the party. She seemed incredulous at the very idea, but then said she had heard about it before. Sounds like she doesn't believe it. Maybe she was responding to the validity of the idea... like she had heard about it but didn't want it spoken of as a fact. I don't know. That just seemed odd. It also sounded like she thinks Auntie has relevant info. Maybe she hasn't sought out Auntie because she has some level of anger, fear, or distrust towards her, and she doesn't want a problem to develop between them. Maybe she has been asked by LE to avoid Auntie. Again, I don't know, but something is up with that IMO.

BBM. I just got through that portion of the interview, IMO her reaction was very authentic. Her answer was direct, no hesitation, no stress markers in her voice at all. Remember that LE is insulating both Ben and Lisa from details of the case. The "party" has had scarce if any coverage in MSM, and I'm pretty certain Lisa hasn't been exploring pseudonews outlets where the party seems to have developed a life of it's own. She's probably been avoiding MSM as well. I think most of the information she's been seeing on SM has been sent to her directly, or came about second hand. That's the only way I see possible that she wasn't aware of a party. Lisa's reaction and response (IMO) seemed 100% genuine.

I would however like to know how she would describe CW's behavior outside of the definition weird. Weird is just too broad a definition.

ETA: I just wanted to add, as frustrated as I was with what I perceived as ambivalence from Lisa's comments recently, I'm infinitely much more grateful at the generosity she exhibited today. Reliving and revisiting a hellish memory and putting aside her own grief for the sake of clarification on the behalf of interested parties, was a truly munificent act. I hope she finds some peace as a result of justice for her child. Nothing will ever bring her daughter back, but hopefully answers and the incarceration of those responsible for her death could relieve some of the uncertainty and grief.

 

[MyBelle]

BBM. I just got through that portion of the interview, IMO her reaction was very authentic. Her answer was direct, no hesitation, no stress markers in her voice at all. Remember that LE is insulating both Ben and Lisa from details of the case. The "party" has had scarce if any coverage in MSM, and I'm pretty certain Lisa hasn't been exploring pseudonews outlets where the party seems to have developed a life of it's own. She's probably been avoiding MSM as well. I think most of the information she's been seeing on SM has been sent to her directly, or came about second hand. That's the only way I see possible that she wasn't aware of a party. Lisa's reaction and response (IMO) seemed 100% genuine.

I would however like to know how she would describe CW's behavior outside of the definition weird. Weird is just too broad a definition.

It may have been the first word that came to her mind. iirc, Laci Peterson's mother and step-father used a similar description to describe Scott Peterson's behavior in the days following Laci's disappearance. Families, especially parents, are aware of patterns in the personality of those close to them and they are the first to notice when something is "off."

 

[tlcya]

About Lisa marching across the street to talk to Sha Sha and get some answers. A possible answer is that she has been told in no uncertain terms to stay away from and not approach Sha Sha. Just a thought.

 

[MyBelle]

About Lisa marching across the street to talk to Sha Sha and get some answers. A possible answer is that she has been told in no uncertain terms to stay away from and not approach Sha Sha. Just a thought.

I agree. Nothing to be gained with a confrontation of any kind.

 

[Ms Pragmatic]

I look at it this way. Mom is from a very, very small town. Jessica, in her eyes, is that little girl she watched swing a softball bat and cheer. Not only is her daughter brutally murdered, but the murder has gained national attention. She now finds herself answering questions from strangers about some very painful things. Most likely, she is medicated and she most definitely in the throes of grief. Not sure there is a manual in how to handle what she is going through, but she wants to keep her daughter's name out there so she can have some closure and peace. We are looking at a very small portion of this girl's life. When younger people experience a death we refer to as "out of time" (her brother), there can be drastic changes in behavior. Acting out, drug use, drinking, sexual promiscuity, fighting, just to name a few examples of behavior that one may exhibit. I don't think her mother knew how to deal with whatever changes she was seeing in her daughter and that is why she opted for Leah's House. I give mom credit for answering the questions as best she could.

 

[Yvettea]

It may have been the first word that came to her mind. iirc, Laci Peterson's mother and step-father used a similar description to describe Scott Peterson's behavior in the days following Laci's disappearance. Families, especially parents, are aware of patterns in the personality of those close to them and they are the first to notice when something is "off."

Weird is one of those words where you need to hear the inflection and know the context. JMO

 

[Leischa]

There is something that bothers me about how Lisa describes Jessica as a always-happy-person, and how she then says that she wanted to write a book about her life. In order to feel like writing a book about your life at the age of 19, you have to have been through a lot of hard moments, right?

Now, we know that she lost her brother and that it probably was a traumatic event in itself. Also, if the story of the abusive ex-boyfriend is true, it's a second traumatic ''event'' to add to her life. But, to me, there must be more to it, some things that we don't know.

I don't want to start making crazy theories without proof but I bet that she had way more problems throughout her life than what her friends and family want to admit.

Maybe this doesn't prove anything at all, but I can't stop wondering what she intended to put in that book...

 

[flatfootjoe]

It may have been the first word that came to her mind. iirc, Laci Peterson's mother and step-father used a similar description to describe Scott Peterson's behavior in the days following Laci's disappearance. Families, especially parents, are aware of patterns in the personality of those close to them and they are the first to notice when something is "off."

I fully appreciate that thought. My contention was, so many people believe CW is key to this investigation. I would have hoped the reporter might have extrapolated further on that point. A simple "What do you mean by weird" would have sufficed. Not so much analyzing Lisa's choice of words, but the reluctance of the interviewer to define it further.

 

[MyBelle]

Weird is one of those words where you need to hear the inflection and know the context. JMO

it means she finds it suspicious whether she puts it in written form or verbal, imo.

 

[MyBelle]

I fully appreciate that thought. My contention was, so many people believe CW is key to this investigation. I would have hoped the reporter might have extrapolated further on that point. A simple "What do you mean by weird" would have sufficed. Not so much analyzing Lisa's choice of words, but the reluctance of the interviewer to define it further.

I think she has probably conveyed her feelings about CW directly to police and they will be the ones doing the extrapolating. The thing listeners do not realize in radio interviews is that they may have agreed upon the questions in advance.

 

[Leischa]

Since I can't like this over and over again, thanks::clap::clap::goodpost::goodpost::goodpost:

You're welcome and thanks to you for liking it hehe :tyou:

 

[Yvettea]

In this case, weird is when three people who were interviewed, CW, GM and Tutor all say "We don't know what happened." Not only that, but GM and Tutor said it in unison.

 

[MyBelle]

In this case, weird is when three people who were interviewed, CW, GM and Tutor all say "We don't know what happened." Not only that, but GM and Tutor said it in unison.

It depends on what they told in interviews with police. Instead of weird, it may have been found to be inconsistent, which very quickly then turns into "suspicious."

 

[flatfootjoe]

There is something that bothers me about how Lisa describes Jessica as a always-happy-person, and how she then says that she wanted to write a book about her life. In order to feel like writing a book about your life at the age of 19, you have to have been through a lot of hard moments, right?

Now, we know that she lost her brother and that it probably was a traumatic event in itself. Also, if the story of the abusive ex-boyfriend is true, it's a second traumatic ''event'' to add to her life. But, to me, there must be more to it, some things that we don't know.

I don't want to start making crazy theories without proof but I bet that she had way more problems throughout her life than what her friends and family want to admit.

Maybe this doesn't prove anything at all, but I can't stop wondering what she intended to put in that book...

There has been ambivalence on Lisa's part, but she's still deeply grieving. On reflection of near and recent events she's remembering Jessica's issues with anger, paranoia, tranquility, and even episodes of happiness. She's also generalizing her behavior over long term periods. Many people have described Jessica as "always happy", "very positive", "really friendly". It seems apparent to me, the one thing Jessica wasn't is very happy, her life seemed full of sadness IMO. There is going to be some inconsistency and ambivalence in a grieving parent, where you believe they may have had a troubled child, or a troubled relationship with that child.

I hope that somewhere, the draft copy of that book still exists as rumors I've read suppose. It would be a great insight into the life of a girl who didn't get to live what may have been a wonderful life.