MS - Jessica Chambers, 19, found burned near her car, Panola County, 6 Dec 2014 - #8

[Dee Deforest]

I have been reading all the threads and I kinda agree a little bit with everyone! Lol... I truly believe that in a town this small that someone knows something an I really believe that a whole lot of someone's know a whole lot of things! So much about this really makes no sense...I mean I'm from Tn and if something like this happened the entire neighborhood would be helping out .... and then we have a neighbor who they have known for years and she doesn't even walk across the street? That's hard for a Southerner like myself to even comprehend or believe? I'm new to posting on this site and don't want to say anything bad about anyone in any way...My heart goes out to her family and friends...but as a outsider looking in..nothing seems right to me? Does anyone think that maybe they do know who did it but not ready to make an arrest for whatever reason?...I just find it hard to believe that in a small community where gossip is a full time job that nobody knows anything? Thanks for letting me be part of your group!
Dee

 

[katydid23]

Just thinking....would she have to go to a car wash to clean out her car? If I was only going to clean my car out and not wash it, I would have cleaned it out at home. Most people have a big garbage can at home and most everyone who has any carpet in their house have a vacuum cleaner as well. So what would be the point in going to a car wash just to clean out the inside of their car? I've always cleaned out my car at home where I could take what needed to be kept back inside my house and vacuumed it with my own vacuum cleaner. I wouldn't go to a car wash at night alone and spend money just to use the vacuum at a car wash unless I didn't have a vacuum cleaner at home and didn't know anyone I could borrow one from. I'm from the South, and I never hear anybody say they are going to "clean" their car when they mean they are going to "wash" it. We all say "wash" instead of "clean." It remains unclear to me whether she intended to clean her car out or wash it.

I don't think she had any intention to clean or wash her car. I think that was just what she told her mom so she could get out of the house. Mom was demanding that she clean her room. So telling her mom she needed to go clean her car seemed like a perfect way to get out of the house, imo.

 

[Mahouston69]

I know absolutely zero about disposable phones, so you may get a good laugh at my asking this question. If she had "friends" who used disposables, would LE be able to determine who called her from one of those?


eta: about the car cleaning . . .
Just to add a differing opinion here, I have never used my indoors vacuum to clean my car. The monster vacuums at car washes are really inexpensive and powerful. The one I went to when my kids were toddlers could suck stray Cheerios from nearly a foot away.

Yes, but it will likely be the FBI or State Police that know how to use those current technological resources. Local police, not so much. Using several online resources, I've been able to track and locate unknown number owners, addresses and in some cases relatives, that have called my husband's phone They only need the number...

 

[Mahouston69]

I don't think she had any intention to clean or wash her car. I think that was just what she told her mom so she could get out of the house. Mom was demanding that she clean her room. So telling her mom she needed to go clean her car seemed like a perfect way to get out of the house, imo.

Agreed, or she could have said..."yes, I'll go get your cigarettes if you give me money to grab something to eat, and I need to clean out my car anyway...she was in lounge wear. I don't think she planned on going too far or too many places. My son, against my health advise frequently grabs gas station burritos and also cleans out his car by throwing away car garbage in the gas station garbage cans. It's convenient.

 

[Concerned Mama]

I have been reading all the threads and I kinda agree a little bit with everyone! Lol... I truly believe that in a town this small that someone knows something an I really believe that a whole lot of someone's know a whole lot of things! So much about this really makes no sense...I mean I'm from Tn and if something like this happened the entire neighborhood would be helping out .... and then we have a neighbor who they have known for years and she doesn't even walk across the street? That's hard for a Southerner like myself to even comprehend or believe? I'm new to posting on this site and don't want to say anything bad about anyone in any way...My heart goes out to her family and friends...but as a outsider looking in..nothing seems right to me? Does anyone think that maybe they do know who did it but not ready to make an arrest for whatever reason?...I just find it hard to believe that in a small community where gossip is a full time job that nobody knows anything? Thanks for letting me be part of your group!
Dee

JMO, but lately I've been leaning towards the theory that yes, they know what happened and probably know who did it, too. However, they don't have the rock solid evidence that they need for a conviction, or they have only one witness to the crime, and that witness may have a rap sheet a mile long, making him/her not credible enough to put on the stand.

 

[imkeylime]

I agree. I haven't put much thought into what she was wearing. Especially considering what I, myself, have left the house in when I'm comfortable with where I'm going. And it never fails that I will run into some long ago love or a colleague when I'm out looking afright. Lol

Hmmm ... your comment makes me think that IF she had plans to meet someone, it might have been someone she felt comfortable being around ... or that it was a spur of the moment thing to meet up with the someone.

 

[katydid23]

JMO, but lately I've been leaning towards the theory that yes, they know what happened and probably know who did it, too. However, they don't have the rock solid evidence that they need for a conviction, or they have only one witness to the crime, and that witness may have a rap sheet a mile long, making him/her not credible enough to put on the stand.

That sounds about right.

 

[:+:MrTT:+:]

OK. I just listen to the radio show, and stopped by to read up upon the case. But I got a simple question. This case is NOT solved??
I thought this case was solved with an arrest weeks ago?

Was there another case similar to this that was solved? Maybe that's the one I am thinking of. But I am sure it was this particular case that was solved.

Listening to the radio show as I post........ The accelerant used was lighter fluid. A can with the red or yellow tip that you pull out and squeeze the can to make it come out. The light skin guy, with black curly hair I think it was a bf whatever she was going to end the relationship and he killed her and set her on fire with lighter fluid.

Am I thinking of another case??

 

[SteveP]

OK. I just listen to the radio show, and stopped by to read up upon the case. But I got a simple question. This case is NOT solved??
I thought this case was solved with an arrest weeks ago?

Was there another case similar to this that was solved? Maybe that's the one I am thinking of. But I am sure it was this particular case that was solved.

While we all certainly hope that it is not the case, based on information released by DA Champion, it doesn't seem that we are a lot closer to having this case solved than we were the night it happened. I'm sure we all hope that LE does have quite a bit of evidence and information leading to a suspect or suspects that they are holding tightly to their vest, but I don't think many of us are especially confident that they do. A few holds and a couple of arrests of names that we have become familiar with here have popped up, but apparently for nothing that pertains to this case. JMO.

 

[:+:MrTT:+:]

While we all certainly hope that it is not the case, based on information released by DA Champion, it doesn't seem that we are a lot closer to having this case solved than we were the night it happened. I'm sure we all hope that LE does have quite a bit of evidence and information leading to a suspect or suspects that they are holding tightly to their vest, but I don't think many of us are especially confident that they do. A few holds and a couple of arrests of names that we have become familiar with here have popped up, but apparently for nothing that pertains to this case. JMO.

.......Thank you for your reply. I am really shocked to learn this case is still unsolved.

 

[flatfootjoe]

I know absolutely zero about disposable phones, so you may get a good laugh at my asking this question. If she had "friends" who used disposables, would LE be able to determine who called her from one of those?


eta: about the car cleaning . . .
Just to add a differing opinion here, I have never used my indoors vacuum to clean my car. The monster vacuums at car washes are really inexpensive and powerful. The one I went to when my kids were toddlers could suck stray Cheerios from nearly a foot away.

Burners (as prepaid phones are known) are much more difficult to track than conventional cell phones. The point of sale is neither required to ask for proof of identity, or verify it if you do provide it. That isn't to say it isn't possible, the phones do use conventional cell networks and do location ping, so if you use it regularly in a particular location, LE might just figure out where you live. Or in the case of retailers who film purchases, they may have video evidence that you purchased the phone.

People using burners have been caught using the same techniques, but it's much more difficult. That's why they're preferred by drug dealers.

 

[dairydog]

DairyDog, excellent thought. Did Jessica receive a phone call/text prior to leaving her Mom's house? LE or the Marshals know the answer to that. So did Jessica leave to simply get her Mom some cigarettes, or did a text message send Jessica out and if so, why? (thus creating a need to create a longer period away from home, getting gas, cleaning out her car and grabbing a bite to eat)

This has been bugging me...why did Jessica leave her house if she truly was scared or worried. This leads me to believe IF (a huge SPECULATIVE IF) there was a text, she left to help someone and whoever sent that text set this horrible chain of events into motion.

Thanks Cajun Girl. I agree. And I'm thinking more and more that this terrible nightmare originated from a text or call that Jessica received at home. The call at the gas bar (excluding her Mom's) may have been to check her location and perhaps to confirm some meeting place. Just MOO. I also think that there was some conflict or trouble brewing in the days leading up to Jessica's horrible death. Once again this is MOO. I don't think for a minute IMO that she realized that she was being led into the lion's den (when she set out from home). And to think that this young lady had her whole life ahead of her. Shocking!

 

[Concerned Mama]

Burners (as prepaid phones are known) are much more difficult to track than conventional cell phones. The point of sale is neither required to ask for proof of identity, or verify it if you do provide it. That isn't to say it isn't possible, the phones do use conventional cell networks and do location ping, so if you use it regularly in a particular location, LE might just figure out where you live. Or in the case of retailers who film purchases, they may have video evidence that you purchased the phone.

People using burners have been caught using the same techniques, but it's much more difficult. That's why they're preferred by drug dealers.

bbm

Yes, the only knowledge I have of disposable phones/burners comes from watching The Wire. But that was years ago, so I wondered if untraceable phones were a thing of the past.

Thanks, ffj!

 

[bessie]

OK. I just listen to the radio show, and stopped by to read up upon the case. But I got a simple question. This case is NOT solved??
I thought this case was solved with an arrest weeks ago?

Was there another case similar to this that was solved? Maybe that's the one I am thinking of. But I am sure it was this particular case that was solved.

Listening to the radio show as I post........ The accelerant used was lighter fluid. A can with the red or yellow tip that you pull out and squeeze the can to make it come out. The light skin guy, with black curly hair I think it was a bf whatever she was going to end the relationship and he killed her and set her on fire with lighter fluid.

Am I thinking of another case??

You might be thinking of Katherine Gick from Indiana. Her murder occurred in late October, but the thread was started here on December 6, just a day or two before the first thread for Jessica. The killer was captured in that case.

IN - Burned body of Katherine Gick, 30, found in Fort Wayne cemetery, Oct 2014

There was also this case of a mother and child murdered and left inside a burning home which occurred about the same time; and another case of a burned murder victim from November. Only Jessica's case remains unsolved.

VA - Robin & Mani Aldridge (mom/daughter), murdered & home burned, Charlottesville, Dec 2014

LA - Kimberly Bowman, 32, burned body found in car, Nov 2014 **INDICTMENT**

 

[:+:MrTT:+:]

You might be thinking of Katherine Gick from Indiana. Her murder occurred in late October, but the thread was started here on December 6, just a day or two before the first thread for Jessica. The killer was captured in that case.

IN - Burned body of Katherine Gick, 30, found in Fort Wayne cemetery, Oct 2014

There was also this case of a mother and child murdered and left inside a burning home which occurred about the same time; and another case of a burned murder victim from November. Only Jessica's case remains unsolved.

VA - Robin & Mani Aldridge (mom/daughter), murdered & home burned, Charlottesville, Dec 2014

LA - Kimberly Bowman, 32, burned body found in car, Nov 2014 **INDICTMENT**

OK. Thank you bessie. Perhaps your correct. But looking at the girls photo I was so certain it was this case. And just now I looked at the photo of the ex that has been cleared. And except for the hair that looks similar to the person i thought they had arrested. The one i thought had been arrested in this case has/had curly hair on top, almost as if he had used rollers to get his hair to curl on top.........But thank you again. I may have gotten my cold/resolved cases mixed and confused. Time will tell. Have a pleasant evening...I still think it was lighter fluid used, but will have to wait and see if they release that information.

 

[Ms Pragmatic]

Hmmm ... your comment makes me think that IF she had plans to meet someone, it might have been someone she felt comfortable being around ... or that it was a spur of the moment thing to meet up with the someone.

That is kind of what I was thinking. Going somewhere she wasn't worried about running into too many people or meeting someone she didn't feel like she needed to dress up for.

 

[NineMilly]

I like what I read earlier today about going back to the beginning, so I would like to dissect the statement made by EB and published in MSM, linked in the media section of this case.

"Investigators say Chambers was able to talk with the first responder. Bibbs says the investigator mentioned to him that Chambers had said the name Derrick or Eric".

"He said there was an accident I think down the road and your name was mentioned," said Bibbs. "And he said I think one of the other people said the only Eric I know in this area is Eric Bibbs."

Bibbs told the detective he did not know Jessica Chambers and wasn't even aware of what had happened to her. The investigator never told him why he was being questioned.

"That day that it happened. I had been here with a toothache since about 6 p.m.," said Bibbs. "I think maybe they came by here about 9:30 p.m., they even went to my grandma address. They called my mom."

When I dissect his statement for the umpteenth time, some things still stand out to me. First he "thinks" an accident happened down the road. Why think this, when you would know for a fact especially after speaking to LE or hearing emergency vehicles and even a medical helicopter. He then states the "day that it happened", problem is the event happened in the evening. Furthermore, he states that he doesn't know JC. Can a positive link be made that proves otherwise? Lastly, he lives so close to the accident that it would put him in a position to walk home after the event occurred on Herron Rd. If LE went to his mother's and grandmas place looking for him, he probably wasn't at his house when they went looking for him, the first time. Should that be true, his home with a toothache since 6 pm story doesn't seem to jive. Lastly, I don't think his name being mentioned by a dying Jessica was sheer luck.

A couple other interesting events have recently taken place and I highly doubt they are just coincidental. That being Ali skips town, then a major player in the local drug trade is arrested. Next, Mr. blown NFL player, being popped in town, over the weekend with drugs whick makes me think he was in town to look things over so to say.

All things considered, if parts of EB's story can be proven false, we may be on to a serious POI. Can anyone prove a known connections between EB and JC???

 

[Yvettea]

What you noticing here is conversational style. He could just as easily have said:

"(I think) he said there was an accident down the road and your name was mentioned," said Bibbs. "And he said I think one of the other people said the only Eric I know in this area is Eric Bibbs."

"That day that it happened (Dec. 6) I had been here with a toothache since about 6 p.m.," said Bibbs. "I think maybe they came by here about 9:30 p.m., they even went to my grandma address. They called my mom."

Even if he lied about knowing JC it's not a crime and it doesn't make him a POI.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I like what I read earlier today about going back to the beginning, so I would like to dissect the statement made by EB and published in MSM, linked in the media section of this case.

"Investigators say Chambers was able to talk with the first responder. Bibbs says the investigator mentioned to him that Chambers had said the name Derrick or Eric".

"He said there was an accident I think down the road and your name was mentioned," said Bibbs. "And he said I think one of the other people said the only Eric I know in this area is Eric Bibbs."

Bibbs told the detective he did not know Jessica Chambers and wasn't even aware of what had happened to her. The investigator never told him why he was being questioned.

"That day that it happened. I had been here with a toothache since about 6 p.m.," said Bibbs. "I think maybe they came by here about 9:30 p.m., they even went to my grandma address. They called my mom."

When I dissect his statement for the umpteenth time, some things still stand out to me. First he "thinks" an accident happened down the road. Why think this, when you would know for a fact especially after speaking to LE or hearing emergency vehicles and even a medical helicopter. He then states the "day that it happened", problem is the event happened in the evening. Furthermore, he states that he doesn't know JC. Can a positive link be made that proves otherwise? Lastly, he lives so close to the accident that it would put him in a position to walk home after the event occurred on Herron Rd. If LE went to his mother's and grandmas place looking for him, he probably wasn't at his house when they went looking for him, the first time. Should that be true, his home with a toothache since 6 pm story doesn't seem to jive. Lastly, I don't think his name being mentioned by a dying Jessica was sheer luck.

A couple other interesting events have recently taken place and I highly doubt they are just coincidental. That being Ali skips town, then a major player in the local drug trade is arrested. Next, Mr. blown NFL player, being popped in town, over the weekend with drugs whick makes me think he was in town to look things over so to say.

All things considered, if parts of EB's story can be proven false, we may be on to a serious POI. Can anyone prove a known connections between EB and JC???

Those are viable reasons to take a look at him. I wondered about him myself, but it seemed too easy. KISS? I guess it could be a secret tryst with a married man leading to a bad break-up or "I'm going to tell your wife" scenario. I mean there has to be a motive. I have been anxiously awaiting the autopsy report as I have some definite questions which could be answered and point this case in another direction perhaps to a clandestine lover.

 

[Mahouston69]

Also, she was seriously injured, especially her throat and mouth. I'm not sure she clearly said Eric Bibbs or Derrick...but would agree maybe she was trying to say something ..with something that had that sound..."...ick...did....." not necessarily a name even. Hopefully, she was clearer than I think she was.