MS - Jessica Chambers, 19, found burned near her car, Panola County, 6 Dec 2014 - #9

[suspicious1]

I think that Jess did show up to this "party" but not to party. I think she went looking for someone and THEY left together. I also think that she showed up to this "party" BEFORE she got to M&M.

One thing I was thinking about.....what if Jess was with someone before ENTERING into the gas station and this person or persons got out of the car before her car is seen on camera? Who can be seen on camera coming from the side of where she pulled in?

I'm going to watch the tapes again

 

[well-intentioned]

You brought up the subject earlier of the car wash at East Rail Road crossing.

A close look at that business in the 2014 Google Street View images implies that the car wash is seldom used.

It seems to me that if Jessica Chambers drove away from M&M at 6:39:xx pm, in the dark, to wash her car, then she would have been a possible target for unsavory characters. I wonder what rail activity, and schedule, existed for the evening of Dec. 6?

One thing to consider regarding the car wash story is that it was windy and rainy that evening/night. Not sure if i believe the cleaning of the car story. Unless it was to dump trash.

 

[SteveP]

Jessica was Ben and Lisa’s only child. Was custody of Jessica an issue when Lisa and Ben divorced? Did Lisa have primary custody of Jessica?

We aren't really allowed to sleuth the victim's family, so even though that is probably information no one here has, we probably couldn't discuss it anyway. JMO

 

[suspicious1]

One thing to consider regarding the car wash story is that it was windy and rainy that evening/night. Not sure if i believe the cleaning of the car story. Unless it was to dump trash.

I don't buy it either. Never have.

 

[SteveP]

People. JC was just assaulted at that gas station a week earlier. So maybe she put more gas to limit her trips to the gas station during the upcoming week.

Respectfully, AFAIK, the alleged assault has never been verified by anyone, and while I believe it may well be true to some extent, unless you have a link to that info, we must take it as rumor.

 

[BirdycatNY]

I also believe JC was blindsided by multiple people that she never would've thought would do harm to her.

My new theory does not paint Jessica and her family in the best possible light and I don't want to be accused of victim bashing. I will tell you this though.....it involves a drug deal gone bad.

JMO

There is nothing that indicates to me that Jessica or parents were involved in anything nefarious, or anything unusual about Jessica/mom's interactions that day. I think they are seriously grieving parents and they lost their little girl. Speaking as someone who was a daddy's girl until his passing, and I think Jessica was probably her daddy's little girl...that is there NO way he would want her involved in any of his past activity or adult friends. Now, it's possible someone had a grudge against her father and therefore took Jessica's life (as Jessica is someone he loved/loves probably more than anything). But I do not think it goes beyond that and there is no evidence that I am aware of that would suggest otherwise. At times though, I wonder if SM posts regarding BC are nothing more than deflection./ But please share if you find some evidence of course unless it's against WS rules. Jmo/

 

[samantha17]

People. JC was just assaulted at that gas station a week earlier. So maybe she put more gas to limit her trips to the gas station during the upcoming week.

Has this been proven?

 

[samantha17]

I think that Jess did show up to this "party" but not to party. I think she went looking for someone and THEY left together. I also think that she showed up to this "party" BEFORE she got to M&M.

One thing I was thinking about.....what if Jess was with someone before ENTERING into the gas station and this person or persons got out of the car before her car is seen on camera? Who can be seen on camera coming from the side of where she pulled in?

I'm going to watch the tapes again

There have been people that said they didn't see her at the party,

 

[MyBelle]

There is nothing that indicates to me that Jessica or parents were involved in anything nefarious, or anything unusual about Jessica/mom's interactions that day. I think they are seriously grieving parents and they lost their little girl. Speaking as someone who was a daddy's girl until his passing, and I think Jessica was probably her daddy's little girl...that is there NO way he would want her involved in any of his past activity or adult friends. Now, it's possible someone had a grudge against her father and therefore took Jessica's life (as Jessica is someone he loved/loves probably more than anything). But I do not think it goes beyond that and there is no evidence that I am aware of that would suggest otherwise. At times though, I wonder if SM posts regarding BC are nothing more than deflection./ But please share if you find some evidence of course unless it's against WS rules. Jmo/

ITA. I seriously doubt the Sheriff's dept would employ anyone engaged in nefarious activities. Whatever JC's family did was in their past and has no relevance to Jessica's death. I do believe there is significance in the role of social media in this case. Not that Jessica's death is a gang-related conspiracy but that her location at the M&M was conveyed by someone wishing to stir up trouble and was conveyed by text or social media to whomever killed her.

There’s a term sometimes used for a gangbanger who stirs up trouble online: Facebook driller. He rolls out of bed in the morning, rubs his eyes, picks up his phone. Then he gets on Facebook and starts insulting some person he barely knows, someone in a rival crew.

http://www.wired.com/2013/09/gangs-of-social-media/all/

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

There have been people that said they didn't see her at the party,

Police have now spoken to witnesses who say they saw Chambers at the party, the prosecutor said.

http://fox6now.com/2014/12/12/jessica-chambers-phone-provides-leads-prosecutor-says/

 

[1&2&3]

As time goes by with no word from LE, we take another look at each situation in this case. It appears to me that what we thought were facts are now beginning to look hazy. After Lisa put out the 5:00 -5:30 time frame of Jessica leaving, then the facts we had based on a wrong time frame of 6:00 - 6:30 do not work as well. IMO.

The time change is a major factor that LE has not verified. What did she do in this extra hour? Did she wash her car? LE has said they have video of her somewhere else, they did not disclose where or the time.
Any thoughts what she did in this hour before appearing at M&M?

 

[MyBelle]

Has this been proven?

No. It could be a red-herring planted to implicate someone.

"I'm not going to comment about that. It wouldn't be fair to investigators for me to comment," Champion said.

http://www.wmcactionnews5.com/story/27666815/jessica-chambers-homicide-investigation-continues

 

[ZOOL]

In reviewing the seconds surrounding Jessica's arrival at the M&M gas pump, there is no clear headlight pattern suggesting that she left her home, then drove south on Carlisle to the dirt entry at M&M (near the puddles just before the intersection with US 51), and then proceeded to approach the outside pumps, and then swing hard-left into the inside pumps. (Note: In an earlier thread I had speculated on this as an obvious and routine approach from her house.)

Specifically, to see what I am describing you will need to watch very closely the opening 5 to 7 seconds of this clip from about 6:23:18 to 6:24:16.


[video=youtube;kxxyEHkOnhg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxxyEHkOnhg[/video]


Watching it will be very difficult because you are watching something happening in the distance, and are focusing your attention solely on headlight patterns of cars both arriving at M&M and at US 51's background activity. Meanwhile, the primary focus of the CCTV is really the arrival of the white station wagon which comes to a complete stop at 6:24:22. So you will need to watch the clip repeatedly and focus your attention on the background, not the foreground. (In order to perform repetitive viewing, stop the Youtube footage, advance the clip to the end, and then repeat. Using this technique, you will then not need to view the clip in its entirety. I recommend viewing the opening seconds a minimum of ten times before you draw a conclusion.)

Lastly, because the 5 - 7 seconds activity which I describe is seemingly unimportant the video's 6:23:18 to 6:24:16 is viewed in an overhead camera view before the cam operator has enlarged everything.

The reason I wish to bring these 5 - 7 seconds to your attention is because they imply to me that Jessica did not leave her home and drive directly to M&M.

In my mind, she may be approaching the gas pumps from the more northerly entrance off US 51.

Combine this possibility with the notion that she may have left home at 5 - 5:30 pm, and arrived at M&M at 6:24:39 pm, and we may have further reason to believe that Jessica's timeline begins at 5 pm.

 

[ZOOL]

Now, in the same clip above, freeze the Youtube footage at marker 1:28 and study the people at the counter. After you have familiarized yourself with them, then restart the video and let it run to 1:57 when "they" exit M&M.

It certainly seems to me, that these two people are BB and CM(SR).

In viewing their outside movement after exiting, we know that BB moved to the gas pump to fill his gas can, and that CM drifted into the darkness, where -- only moments later (at CCTV footage 6:25:48) -- she calls Jessica over for a cigarette.

The reason I bring this to your attention is because CM stood at the counter with BB for appx. 1-minute in full view of cigarettes and of a man (AA) who probably would have been amendable to a regular patron's singular request for a ciggie yet she later feels a need to bum one from Jessica?

Far-fetched hoohaw as far as I am concerned.

 

[suspicious1]

There is nothing that indicates to me that Jessica or parents were involved in anything nefarious, or anything unusual about Jessica/mom's interactions that day. I think they are seriously grieving parents and they lost their little girl. Speaking as someone who was a daddy's girl until his passing, and I think Jessica was probably her daddy's little girl...that is there NO way he would want her involved in any of his past activity or adult friends. Now, it's possible someone had a grudge against her father and therefore took Jessica's life (as Jessica is someone he loved/loves probably more than anything). But I do not think it goes beyond that and there is no evidence that I am aware of that would suggest otherwise. At times though, I wonder if SM posts regarding BC are nothing more than deflection./ But please share if you find some evidence of course unless it's against WS rules. Jmo/

My theory has nothing to do with BC.

 

[Classito]

I have a new theory today and here's a few things I find suspect....
7. The tipster coming forward 3 days AFTER Jess funeral...claiming he heard a car driving fast down HIS street with loud pipes

From what I can find..The tipster, Ray McClenic, lives a mile or two from the scene. Would his 'tip' really be related to the case considering the distance...Thinking he just wanted to have a part in the case..

On the time difference...Lisa does not say for sure 5-5:30...She says "She left here..mm I said between dusk..between 5-5:30 maybe". To me it seems more as if she has forgotten the time and was guessing on what she had said previously..

Classito

 

[MSCJgrad]

I have no idea. To me, understandably so, given the trauma LC has endured; her interview provided little insight whatsoever. The only thing that I recall as being somewhat relevant was the fact that she has not heard from/seen/spoken to Charlotte W. since JC's death, and she lives directly across the street. Besides that, the questions asked were not very helpful, and LC did not provide any other information pertaining to JC or her case-she mostly seemed to just want to clear the air in regards to herself and her ex husband's alleged gang involvement, IMO. I listened to the interview live as it was being conducted, and I wanted to pull my hair out.

My question is......why would Lisa claim to have sent Jess out for cigarettes when we know that Jess received a phone call before leaving.....and LE claims her phone is "key to everything".

 

[BirdycatNY]

My theory has nothing to do with BC.

Just to clear up re: deflection, I wasn't referring to you or anyone on WS, but outer-SM verse and "local" SM posts about BC. Thanks for clarifying your theory though. Jmo/

 

[ZOOL]

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On the time difference...Lisa does not say for sure 5-5:30...She says "She left here..mm I said between dusk..between 5-5:30 maybe". To me it seems more as if she has forgotten the time and was guessing on what she had said previously..

Classito

Her comment does not account for the fact that Jessica's arrival at M&M is in the DARK. "She left here...mmm I said between dusk...between 5 - 5:30 maybe" is a period of time when there is still visible grayness before absolute DARK. Or another way of putting this would be that the silhouettes of passing US 51 vehicles would still be visible in the M&M background, but they clearly are not.

 

[MyBelle]

In reviewing the seconds surrounding Jessica's arrival at the M&M gas pump, there is no clear headlight pattern suggesting that she had left her home, then driven south on Carlisle to the dirt entry at M&M (near the puddles just before the intersection with US 51), and then proceeded to approach the outside pumps, and then swing hard-left into the inside pumps. (Note: In an earlier thread I had speculated on this as an obvious and routine approach from her house.)

Specifically, to see what I am describing you will need to watch very closely the opening 5 to 7 seconds of this clip from about 6:23:18 to 6:24:16.


[video=youtube;kxxyEHkOnhg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxxyEHkOnhg[/video]


Watching it will be very difficult because you are watching something happening in the distance, and are focusing your attention solely on headlight patterns of cars both arriving at M&M and at US 51's background activity. Meanwhile, the primary focus of the CCTV is really the arrival of the white station wagon which comes to a complete stop at 6:24:22. So you will need to watch the clip repeatedly and focus your attention on the background, not the foreground. (In order to perform repetitive viewing, stop the Youtube footage, advance the clip to the end, and then repeat. Using this technique, you will then not need to view the clip in its entirety. I recommend viewing the opening seconds a minimum of ten times before you draw a conclusion.)

Lastly, because the 5 - 7 seconds activity which I describe is seemingly unimportant the video's 6:23:18 to 6:24:16 is viewed in an overhead camera view before the cam operator has enlarged everything.

The reason I wish to bring these 5 - 7 seconds to your attention is because they imply to me that Jessica did not leave her home and drive directly to M&M.

In my mind, she may be approaching the gas pumps from the more northerly entrance off US 51.

Combine this possibility with the notion that she may have left home at 5 - 5:30 pm, and arrived at M&M at 6:24:39 pm, and we may have further reason to believe that Jessica's timeline begins at 5 pm.

Where do you suppose she had been?