MS - Jessica Chambers, 19, found burned near her car, Panola County, 6 Dec 2014 - #9

[BirdycatNY]

IMO, if that was the case, she would have obliged without any trouble. You gotta think, most dealers act as pimps and they wouldn't kill her taking an accelerant with them unless ofcourse it is to frighten others.

There was a fairly recent case in OH where a pimp and some prostitutes murdered a woman because she snitched on his drug dealing; he says that the prostitutes got into a fight with the victim. His message I assume was to keep the ladies in line and not discuss his "business". I posted article on OH case above, but here's link: http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2013/10/08/burning-body-murder-trial.html

 

[BirdycatNY]

"Who would carry that type of accelerant?

IMO, if it was lighter fluid, someone may have lived close enough to run and get it from home and return within moments....OR

LE said she visited several small businesses in Batesville....what if she visited a liquor store? What if the accelerant is not gas or lighter fluid?
If she showed up to a party, what if she took someone to get alcohol for this party? Kwim? And the alcohol was the only thing on hand when she was attacked.

I'm just thinking out loud because I just don't see someone carrying around gas or lighter fluid especially if they were riding with Jessica.

Which is why imo if Jessica were riding around with someone, then there were other individuals that "met up" with them on Herron Rd with gas/accelerant on hand. But alcohol is an interesting thought, how does alcohol burn/burn pattern?

 

[MizStery]

Jessica at 6:30 back in Cortland area
Timeline

I would assume Jessica went to Batesville after the party* to either pick up a friend perhaps from a job or run a quick errand with or for a friend. (*I believe several friends were at the clandestine child's birthday party & probably are the perpetrators) But,that is pure speculation on my part of what could have been the catullus.

Now,it is time to bring up deception in her whereabouts with her mom. We know the car wash in Courtland was out of order. In a subsequent conversation with her mom after returning from Batesville Jessica claims her plans are still to clean out her car and eat.

Now,I am not interested in the behavior of most 19 rear olds in telling mom their exact plans on a Saturday.But,other than the call to her mom in the critical missing hour Jessica was NOT being forthcoming with mom on her whereabouts or plans.

It is unlikely she cleaned her car in Batesville or ate at one of her (& childhood friends) hangouts The Sonic Restaurant . I would think Jessica was taking her passenger home. If dropping someone off at a private home then perhaps she was lured away by someone else at the residence or even received a call for a hookup.

She could have been transported to Herron Road unconscious or she drove or was driven by the perp to get high or even make out hence the reclining seats.

I find it inexplicable why these 'friends' chose to ignite Jessica and send her to such a horrible death. This may go to the 'snitch' accusation. But, with these sickos there is no rhyme nor reason.

We know there-was an alleged altercation the week prior at the M&M.Also, Jessica had a genuine fear for her safety after being accused of being a snitch according to her mother.(Ref:Timeline)

Now, here is where I think the DA is going. He has a pretty good idea of the whereabouts of several people but he needs to tie them to Jessica and the subsequent ambush at Herron Road.

i do not like the way Champion and the press (what's up with that?)are choosing to pretend that no one will notice the elephant in the room. Champion in his lastest and most accurate timeline (cough,cough) has a one hour time warp. How does the DA account for the much touted tech but is unable to detect where Jessica was? Come on we know Lisa Daughty spoke with Jessica for twenty minutes and Champion claims they have NO idea who or where Jessica was? :sigh:

This is all just my attempting to come up with a scenario that fits the timeline. :moo:

 

[dairydog]

"Who would carry that type of accelerant?

IMO, if it was lighter fluid, someone may have lived close enough to run and get it from home and return within moments....OR

LE said she visited several small businesses in Batesville....what if she visited a liquor store? What if the accelerant is not gas or lighter fluid?
If she showed up to a party, what if she took someone to get alcohol for this party? Kwim? And the alcohol was the only thing on hand when she was attacked.

I'm just thinking out loud because I just don't see someone carrying around gas or lighter fluid especially if they were riding with Jessica.

You make some good points. It is confusing indeed. I believe it was a pre meditated act whereby the killer who was in the car with Jessica did not necessarily have the accelerant but an accomplice who came in another vehicle did have it. IDK but JMOO. I really don't think she saw it coming until near the end but then again I could be way off track.

 

[1&2&3]

First off let me say I am impressed they have been able to track JC's activities so thoroughly. By now LE knows if drugs were in her system, so they may have an idea where they were purchased.

The oddest part is how did her car just poof magically disappear for the hour in question? And then magically appear on Herron Road with no trace? The phone had to have been turned off or the battery taken out. So it seems the big question is solve this one hour missing and LE can then tie the pieces to a perp? Let's hope so! JMO

 

[BirdycatNY]

First off let me say I am impressed they have been able to track JC's activities so thoroughly. By now LE knows if drugs were in her system, so they may have an idea where they were purchased.

The oddest part is how did her car just poof magically disappear for the hour in question? And then magically appear on Herron Road with no trace? The phone had to have been turned off or the battery taken out. So it seems the big question is solve this one hour missing and LE can then tie the pieces to a perp? Let's hope so! JMO

I appreciate that LE provided some more information on JC's movements. The takeaway that LE/FBI is willing to share imo is:

*LE/FBI/ATF classified it as homicide
*Jessica was on Herron Rd spot @730p. This is enough time for perpetrators to knock her out, douse car, cover-up, any accomplices to get to site and set-fire to car and Jessica and be gone by 808p? phone call. ATF can likely approximate how long car burning, JC etc.
*My guess is that JC was somewhere else between 630p-730p and which is why LE stated she was at Herron Rd site 730p, but jmo.
*If mom is correct that she and JC talked between 648(58)p-708p, and it was quiet then JC was likely at someone's house, hotel, office, or car parked waiting for someone etc., i.e. quiet places. This would only give JC and perp(s) 20 mins to get to site and it means JC had reception.
*If mom is off on when they talked and I suspect the time she talked to Jessica is closer to the time Jessica was at M&M (basically before 630p-730p time frame). Then Jessica had an hour unaccounted for. What could a young adult do in an hour, possibly boyfriend, drinking, smoking marjuana, or something else? So I am thinking about this from time period, either 630-658p (phone call mom) 708p-730p, then picked up friend or other short activities; OR 630p-730p Jessica was doing something else like hanging out with guy, other teenage activities.
*If mom and JC never talked, Idk.
*If phone turned off (and I think it was between 630p-730p) and perp turned it back on at Herron Rd, then they didn't want to be tracked to murder site (ie no movement) and turned her phone back to erase txts/numbers and remove battery (again it creates distance between JC and perp); when did JC's phone stop signalling completely? This would also show to me that Jessica was not at the Herron Rd site until 730p knocked unconscious and murdered. It's possible some perps turned off their phones between those times too or left phones at home, or turned phones off right before 730p until @810p? idk
* It's impressive that LE/FBI/ATF have narrowed down Jessica's whereabouts to one hour time frame and thank god JC was found shortly after immolation crimes. It would be more difficult to narrow down timing if LE found her much later, but jmo. They're also not sharing everything, so they likely have it narrowed down more and are aware of inconsistencies with POI whereabouts.

 

[gngr~snap]

Now I am thinking about the autopsy and just hope that the ME did a thorough job. If Jessica had a sexual encounter with her killer (whether voluntary or not) I just hope that valuable DNA was retrieved (if possible). I certainly understand why any evidence from the autopsy wouldn't be divulged until such time as a trial. We can only hope.

Not just DNA - FORENSICS!
Mark Unger killed his wife Florence, no witnesses, no tips, nothing!
http://tv.ark.com/transcript/forens...se))/5712/TRUTVP/Monday_April_12_2010/257703/
Medical examiner found the truth from proteins released in the brain after the head injury!

"Bodies do not bounce -- that's number one.00:05:46She would have been rendered unconscious upon contact.00:05:50An unconscious person, unconscious individual, cannot just walk into the water.00:05:56>> Narrator: dragovic noticed that the bloodstain on the boat launch was nearly a foot in diameter.00:06:05>> For blood to go to that size, to the diameter that we're talking on the cement platform, the body would have had to have been there for a period of time.00:06:15>> Narrator: To find out how long florence would have laid dragovic examined slides of her brain tissue.00:06:23He focused on the neurons, a cellular communication system that controls movement, memory, and emotion.00:06:33dragovic discovered repair proteins in florence's brain that were releasedafterher head injury.00:06:42This showed that florence's brain was struggling to survive long after she hit her head and before she drowned.00:06:51>> These neurons are suffering from lack of oxygen.00:06:55They are damaged, and some of them are already dead, but some of them are trying to repair themselves.00:07:02It was a long period of time she was alive -- unconscious, but alive, still alive, still breathing." See transcript

I am thinking along these lines. They KNOW Jessica was unable to be moving anywhere in the missing hour due to findings at autopsy from the head injury? Not just that a phone call did not happen, but that JC would not even have been able to speak after being beaten.
Repair seen in the brain indicated she was unconscious, but alive until set on fire.
JMO

 

[Yvettea]

I am thinking along these lines. They KNOW Jessica was unable to be moving anywhere in the missing hour due to findings at autopsy from the head injury? Not just that a phone call did not happen, but that JC would not even have been able to speak after being beaten.
Repair seen in the brain indicated she was unconscious, but alive until set on fire.

Well there was only one person who ever said she was moving while on fire anyway. At least as far as we know.

 

[BelieveinUFO]

Not just DNA - FORENSICS!
Mark Unger killed his wife Florence, no witnesses, no tips, nothing!
http://tv.ark.com/transcript/forens...se))/5712/TRUTVP/Monday_April_12_2010/257703/
Medical examiner found the truth from proteins released in the brain after the head injury!

"Bodies do not bounce -- that's number one.00:05:46She would have been rendered unconscious upon contact.00:05:50An unconscious person, unconscious individual, cannot just walk into the water.00:05:56>> Narrator: dragovic noticed that the bloodstain on the boat launch was nearly a foot in diameter.00:06:05>> For blood to go to that size, to the diameter that we're talking on the cement platform, the body would have had to have been there for a period of time.00:06:15>> Narrator: To find out how long florence would have laid dragovic examined slides of her brain tissue.00:06:23He focused on the neurons, a cellular communication system that controls movement, memory, and emotion.00:06:33dragovic discovered repair proteins in florence's brain that were releasedafterher head injury.00:06:42This showed that florence's brain was struggling to survive long after she hit her head and before she drowned.00:06:51>> These neurons are suffering from lack of oxygen.00:06:55They are damaged, and some of them are already dead, but some of them are trying to repair themselves.00:07:02It was a long period of time she was alive -- unconscious, but alive, still alive, still breathing." See transcript

I am thinking along these lines. They KNOW Jessica was unable to be moving anywhere in the missing hour due to findings at autopsy from the head injury? Not just that a phone call did not happen, but that JC would not even have been able to speak after being beaten.
Repair seen in the brain indicated she was unconscious, but alive until set on fire.
JMO

BUT she did speak with first responders. This only tells me that she wasn't lit on fire for a long time like under 8-12 minutes at that time the first responders came there.

 

[gngr~snap]

BUT she did speak with first responders. This only tells me that she wasn't lit on fire for a long time like under 8-12 minutes at that time the first responders came there.

My question is what if the autopsy proves she wouldn't have been able to speak due to severity of head injury! That would be a big problem!

 

[SeeAlice]

My question is what if the autopsy proves she wouldn't have been able to speak due to severity of head injury! That would be a big problem!

Or due to thermal injuries to her vocal cords.

JMO

 

[gngr~snap]

BUT she did speak with first responders. This only tells me that she wasn't lit on fire for a long time like under 8-12 minutes at that time the first responders came there.

She was beaten first and had a head injury. Then at some point after that set on fire. (I watched the video of the pilot set on fire) I won't go into detail, he was also doused in accelerant. She was still on fire when they got there. I can't believe she spoke at all. Coroner may have proof she didn't.
The missing hour is critical. IMO due to some forensics found and reports of her activity after 6:30pm. If the reports of her speaking are false, there's ma problem.

 

[Yvettea]

Why would it be a problem if it could be shown that she couldn't speak?

 

[BirdycatNY]

She was beaten first and had a head injury. Then at some point after that set on fire. (I watched the video of the pilot set on fire) I won't go into detail, he was also doused in accelerant. She was still on fire when they got there. I can't believe she spoke at all. Coroner may have proof she didn't.
The missing hour is critical. IMO due to some forensics found and reports of her activity after 6:30pm. If the reports of her speaking are false, there's ma problem.

Since LE hasn't cleared anyone except Ali (please correct me if that's wrong), then LE is looking for inconsistencies with everyone else and I assume that includes Cole? or whoever stated Jessica was speaking when found. If forensics show it's physiologically impossible Jessica was conscious from head injury then obviously an issue. Has anyone verified the extent of JC's head injury and whether she would be able to gain consciousness like from being set on fire or speak? Idk

 

[Yvettea]

She was beaten first and had a head injury. Then at some point after that set on fire. (I watched the video of the pilot set on fire) I won't go into detail, he was also doused in accelerant. She was still on fire when they got there. I can't believe she spoke at all. Coroner may have proof she didn't.
The missing hour is critical. IMO due to some forensics found and reports of her activity after 6:30pm. If the reports of her speaking are false, there's ma problem.

How long was he able to stand? Did he walk? Did he speak?

 

[BirdycatNY]

Why would it be a problem if it could be shown that she couldn't speak?

Because it's inconsistent with what the person who found her Cole (name?) said about JC providing names. I think that's what's being alluded to, idk though.

 

[SeeAlice]

Why would it be a problem if it could be shown that she couldn't speak?

Because initial stories indicated she named her alleged killer supposedly.

JMO

 

[debirlfan]

So she did not pull up to fish and there is really nothing suspicious of a car parked in front of a gate.

I think you misunderstood me. I'm not saying that she was going fishing or hunting, just that it might be a location where a parked car wouldn't raise anyone's suspicions (because cars might be parked in that location for various benign reasons) but that a parked car with someone sitting in it might be more suspicious - and that she might have laid the seat back in order to avoid being seen. I'm not sure if she could have been seen from the road or not.

 

[Yvettea]

Because initial stories indicated she named her alleged killer supposedly.

JMO

Okay remember back to that conversation. Cole gave that interview where he said well... yes she was able to speak with great difficulty. Then that he couldn't reveal what she said ...well maybe he couldn't understand what she said. Maybe the only sounds were the last gasps of someone who was dying.

 

[Yvettea]

Because initial stories indicated she named her alleged killer supposedly.

JMO

Maybe she said something that sounded like erk..erk.