MS - Jessica Chambers, 19, found burned near her car, Panola County, 6 Dec 2014 - #9

[SeeAlice]

"Chambers died from injuries on Dec 6 when she was found still alive next to her burning car with burns over 98% of her body". From The Panolian, Jan 20, 2015, front page article.

http://www.panolian.com/editionviewer/default.aspx?Edition=d3ea5f4e-597d-48d9-8085-67a9c52046fd

After watching news stories about Tammy Meyers unfold, I don't have a clue who or what to believe anymore. I'm not just being rhetorical here. Media will print, broadcast, report and repeat almost anything anyone is willing to say these days. It's crazy. And disgusting.

JMO

 

[debirlfan]

Just a note regarding the "burns over 98% of her body" quote. It's important to keep in mind that that doesn't necessarily mean 3rd degree burns over that much of her body. I mean, I'm sure it's possible to spend too long in a tanning bed and end up with a full-body sunburn. Doubtlessly she was very badly burned, but even lesser burns could make someone unrecognizable due to swelling, etc.

 

[samantha17]

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Her mom did not say it because its what a loving mom would say...She and the dad were told that by the same LE department that ID'ed her..and by the doctors...

Classito

P.S. We are talking about a dead person...she was burned beyond recognition....

The autopsy results and dental records would have proven who she was.

 

[MizStery]

not just dna - forensics!
Mark unger killed his wife florence, no witnesses, no tips, nothing!
http://tv.ark.com/transcript/forens...se))/5712/trutvp/monday_april_12_2010/257703/
medical examiner found the truth from proteins released in the brain after the head injury!
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i am thinking along these lines. They know jessica was unable to be moving anywhere in the missing hour due to findings at autopsy from the head injury? Not just that a phone call did not happen, but that jc would not even have been able to speak after being beaten.
Repair seen in the brain indicated she was unconscious, but alive until set on fire.
jmo

my question is what if the autopsy proves she wouldn't have been able to speak due to severity of head injury! That would be a big problem!

she was beaten first and had a head injury. Then at some point after that set on fire. (i watched the video of the pilot set on fire) i won't go into detail, he was also doused in accelerant. She was still on fire when they got there. I can't believe she spoke at all. Coroner may have proof she didn't.
the missing hour is critical. Imo due to some forensics found and reports of her activity after 6:30pm. If the reports of her speaking are false, there's ma problem.

that and the phone call as well. Since any mention of it was omitted at press conference. Saying they don't know where she was during that hour... No proof yet? Need anyone that saw her to call...
If she was lying somewhere unconscious while someone left to retrieve gas etc...
Trying to read between the lines. Moo

First and foremost this entire post is pure speculation. I have only one Twitter message I will refer to. It was ithe Twitter message that got my attention plus when I read gngr~snaps brilliant post it clicked.

First I will quote the Twitter message that originally I thought probably was an honest mistake. Now,I am wondering. But,I am getting ahead of myself.

Katina Rankin of Local 24 News, (posted this about the specific time Jessica was found at the scene). Rankin&#8217;s series of Tweets included this one:
&#8220;Timeline continued: Jessica at 6:30 back in Cortland area, 7:31 body was found, 8:09 fire called made.&#8221;

When orginally I read Memphis based Katina Rankins Twitter message I thought even seasoned reporters make errors. There is no way she tweeted from Champions briefing that the timeline would include the 7:31 reference that she included.

But,after reading gnar-snaps posts I thought perhaps Katina & reporters got a little extra information perhaps off the record. As gngr~snap posts point out a head injury could explain why the perps panicked and indeed Jessica had survived the (my speculation only)beating. The reason for my thinking,is I found it incomprehensible that no reporters asked about the elephant in the room;which is the 1 hour not accounted for in the latest timeline. I do not know exactly how to interpret her tweet. Just to add to the confusion we also know the battery was removed from her phone and tossed.I do not know where to insert that in a possible scenario? No question about it,I am talking in circles!:rolling:

Again,this is my speculation only. Yesterday I deleted my post because I confused some Websleuthers that the autopsy had been released and IT HAS NOT. Absolutely the autospsy ihas not been divulged by LE.

Now,back to the Timeline. Jessica is back in Courtland from Batesville at 6:30. The clock is now ticking on the missing hour. What if Jessica is assaulted and is now uncounscious. The perps are now deciding on what to do. Once more,this is my speculation only. They decide to completely destroy all evidence. Whether or not they know Jessica is alive or not is not importance to them. They just want to make sure that there is nothing left for authorities to tie the crime to them. An uncounscious Jessica is driven to Herron Road at preciously 7:31. (Reclining seat) Vehicle parked with emergency brake set. Someone else is sent to retrieve the flammable materials. The perps know that the location is secure from immediate detection. The vehicle returns with the flammables pulls behind Jessica's vehicle. I think Jessica is inside the vehicle when it was set fire. The only way Jessica got out of that vehicle was regaining consciousness after the car ignited. The perps wanted everything burned and nothing left period.

This is is much longer than my orginal post because I wanted to clarify to all that I am speculating.

My Opinions Only :moo:

 

[SeeAlice]

Just a note regarding the "burns over 98% of her body" quote. It's important to keep in mind that that doesn't necessarily mean 3rd degree burns over that much of her body. I mean, I'm sure it's possible to spend too long in a tanning bed and end up with a full-body sunburn. Doubtlessly she was very badly burned, but even lesser burns could make someone unrecognizable due to swelling, etc.

Sunburns is exactly where I've heard the phrase "burned everywhere but the soles of the feet" used before.

 

[suspicious1]

My question is this....

If her body was supposedly found at 7:31p, WHO found it and why didn't the emergency call come in earlier than 8:09?

Is there maybe a witness to Jessica being found unconscious around 7:31?

Could it be possible that the technology used to verify JC being at the crime scene did not come from Jessica's phone but perhaps someone else's phone? Maybe they panicked, left her there but don't know what happened after that?

I mean, LE seem quite certain that she was indeed at the crime scene at 7:31p.
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[OneLove]

Boy howdy, do I agree with you on this! I also think those "men" using the term promiscuity tells more about themselves than anything. I don't see that Jessica was loose. Guys will describe a girl that way for reasons other than her number of sexual partners. Rejected? Jealous? Based on the color of her boyfriends? Living at the boyfriend's mother's house doesn't make her promiscuous (as I saw on one site who also cited her age as 14 then. 14 is a child) and in fact, makes me wonder more than ever about Jessica's protection and guidance from parents. How is it okay or even legal to let your 14 year old live at a non-relative's house? Makes me angry and sad.

Depression often presents in the behavior attributed to her and it's not uncommon for depressed and even suicidal people to be described by friends and coworkers as loving, generous, sweet, upbeat, funny and happy. Anger and unhappiness would be expressed in front of parents, not unusual. Drugs, drinking and sex symptoms of depression. Sex can be used as to get the lacking male attention (absent father), affection and love when it's not about the sex act per se. I remember as a girl reading that Boys play at love when what they want is sex, and Girls play at sex when what they want is love. That has stayed with me for decades.

That culture appears to be a whole lot of territorial, jealous girls and women, and immature, irresponsible males who are either whipped or doing the whipping. I have yet to see any of them in grown up relationships. Granted, I'm seeing an extremely narrow slice of life. Fascinating, terrifying. I wouldn't want my car to break down there and be stuck. I feel like it's Twilight Zone.

Of course, this is all my opinion and I'm getting more jaded and judgmental as this goes along.

Amen to every word of this!!!

And on the very rude comments from males as to her alleged sexual activities, disparaging remarks can also be a way of distancing oneself from someone with whom they themselves have had a sexual encounter. It's known to happen often in domestic abuse cases. I don't even want to get started on WHY the term "domestic" is EVER used. Violence is violence.

Common: "I did her (even though I'm married, etc.) but what a sl@t SHE was for doing me." ---This from the male sl@t of all sl@ts.....

In my days working with teenage victims, I often said if the "johns" were as vigorously prosecuted as hookers, there would BE no sex trade. Why do the male perpetrators get a pass but females are branded? My g-d, some of my girls were only 14 when forced into prostitution by older men. NONE of the pimps or johns were EVER charged with anything. Yet I had to go get 14 year olds out of lockup! Grrr. It makes no sense. Our culture is warped and just continues to reinforce violence and abuse.

 

[FelicityLemon]

I don't think it has been confirmed that Jessica had a gash in her head, has it? The only person I've heard say that is her father, but her mother says she didn't have a gash in her head. So, who knows whether she had one or not? I guess the autopsy will show if this is true or not. Both her mother and her father were at the hospital with her according to her mother's interview where she stated that she touched her neck and told her that her father was there in the waiting room but he couldn't bring himself to come into the room. So, who TOLD BC that his daughter was hit in the head and had a gash? It would almost have to have been LE or one of the first responders, but then why would LD dispute that she had a gash on her head? This case is so crazy that I'm starting not to believe anything LE is releasing.

Sometimes, I change my mind about what could have happened, but each time I return to my original theory--that JC was having an affair and was parked in that particular spot waiting for him to arrive, and the man's wife or significant other found out about their meeting and went into a rage. Maybe she did it alone or had some help, but I still think there was a jealous woman involved. JMO

December 7, 2014 Ben Chambers talks and says these things and it's written in the article below the video (in case the video ceases to be available)

http://wreg.com/2014/12/07/father-speaks-out-after-daughter-set-on-fire-and-killed/

"... &#8220;The doctor told us it wasn&#8217;t nothing we can do you know she was burned 98% of her body.&#8221;

&#8220;They said that as far as they could tell like they squirted fluid down her throat and up her nose because it just burned her on the inside so bad,&#8221; Chambers said.

The Panola County Sheriff told WREG a driver dialed 911 after passing Jessica on a rural road near Highway 51 on Saturday night around 8:00 p.m.

Authorities revealed the victim was found next to the burning car.

&#8220;She had a big gash in her head like they knocked her out,&#8221; Chambers said.

 

[SteveP]

My question is this....

If her body was supposedly found at 7:31p, WHO found it and why didn't the emergency call come in earlier than 8:09?

Is there maybe a witness to Jessica being found unconscious around 7:31?

Could it be possible that the technology used to verify JC being at the crime scene did not come from Jessica's phone but perhaps someone else's phone? Maybe they panicked, left her there but don't know what happened after that?

I mean, LE seem quite certain that she was indeed at the crime scene at 7:31p.
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Since Katina Rankin is the only reporter claiming that her body was found at 7:31, I believe it is apparent that she misinterpreted Champion's statement to the effect that, using technology, they were able to place her at the Herron Rd site at 7:31. It seems rather obvious to me that they actually used technology to place her cell phone there at that time, and had no reason to believe that she was not still in possession of it. It is hard to fathom that someone actually reported seeing her body there at 7:31 and a call not being placed until 8:09, and at the very least, Rankin's tweet that her body was found at 7:31 cannot be correct, as she was still alive when first responders arrived at around 8:13. A reporter should know that using the word 'body' in that context would imply a dead person. JMO

 

[FelicityLemon]

"having been told her 19-year-old daughter was burned beyond recognition."
http://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2015/02/14/moms-last-words-jessica-chambers/23442951/

"Chambers said police and doctors told him. "She was burned so bad that she was unrecognizable."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/09/jessica-lane-chambers_n_6296738.html

&#8220;You couldn&#8217;t recognize her because she was unrecognizable,&#8221; Chambers described what he was told by doctors. &#8220;The doctor told us it wasn&#8217;t nothing we can do you know she was burned 98% of her body.&#8221;
http://wreg.com/2014/12/07/father-speaks-out-after-daughter-set-on-fire-and-killed/

But to the Courtland Fire Chief's horror, he saw Jessica Chambers lying next to her burning car "I realized who the victim was and it was just shocking," said Haley. "I hate it for the family."
http://www.wmcactionnews5.com/story/27589639/first-responder-tries-to-comfort-burning-victim-before-death

Just an observation...Doctors and LE say she was unrecognizable..Yet a fireman recognizes her...A victims identity is usually proven before being named...She was burned..car was burned...(ID, tag, etc) Just how did they know for certain at the time that this was Jessica...

Classito

You said it yourself: He didn't recognize her - he realized who she was - it's very different. They're trained in many things besides putting out fires. He said she spoke; one, if not the first question asked of victims is "can you tell me your name" It can help bring a panicky person back to earth )so to speak) by helping them focus, and she most likely knew she was burned quite badly and wanted someone to know who she was? Just guessing. If he recognized her he would have said recognized, not realized.

 

[New1]

My question is this....

If her body was supposedly found at 7:31p, WHO found it and why didn't the emergency call come in earlier than 8:09?

Is there maybe a witness to Jessica being found unconscious around 7:31?

Could it be possible that the technology used to verify JC being at the crime scene did not come from Jessica's phone but perhaps someone else's phone? Maybe they panicked, left her there but don't know what happened after that?

I mean, LE seem quite certain that she was indeed at the crime scene at 7:31p.
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I don't see any way they could possibly say that Jessica was at the crime scene at such a precise time as 7:31pm using any kind of technology. They might know her phone was there at that time, but that doesn't mean that SHE was there. If a witness saw her there, I doubt they would have looked at their watch to see exactly what time it was they spotted her there. I think it's just another lie that LE has put out. If someone found her body there at that time and called 911, then all the information we thought we knew about the 911 call coming in at 8:13 pm, her being found walking on fire, her speaking to first responders, etc. is also lies. I hope this last information was released in an effort to somehow trap the killer/s into creating a false alibi for the missing time period because LE knows who the killer/s are and where they were during that time. Otherwise, it's just more misinformation for no purpose at all. IMO

 

[New1]

December 7, 2014 Ben Chambers talks and says these things and it's written in the article below the video (in case the video stops)

http://wreg.com/2014/12/07/father-speaks-out-after-daughter-set-on-fire-and-killed/

Yes, I know Ben Chambers said she had a gash in her head, but who else? Nobody that I know of.

 

[SteveP]

I don't see any way they could possibly say that Jessica was at the crime scene at such a precise time as 7:31pm using any kind of technology. They might know her phone was there at that time, but that doesn't mean that SHE was there. If a witness saw her there, I doubt they would have looked at their watch to see exactly what time it was they spotted her there. I think it's just another lie that LE has put out. If someone found her body there at that time and called 911, then all the information we thought we knew about the 911 call coming in at 8:13 pm, her being found walking on fire, her speaking to first responders, etc. is also lies. I hope this last information was released in an effort to somehow trap the killer/s into creating a false alibi for the missing time period because LE knows who the killer/s are and where they were during that time. Otherwise, it's just more misinformation for no purpose at all. IMO

It is possible that Jessica was talking to someone on her cell at 7:31 from that scene, in which case LE can definitely state that she was on the scene at 7:31. I believe LE is a lot closer to solving this than we want to give them credit for. After mulling it over for a couple days now, I am now convinced that LE does in fact know her whereabouts between 6:30 and 7:30. There is just no way that they are clueless, with everything else they have gleaned with very advanced cell phone tracking technology. There is a very real reason why they are publicly stating that they do not know where she was during that hour, and I think it is because they want to catch who they already know killed her in a lie that they cant alibi their way out of. JMO

 

[wfgodot]

Have there been many instances where LE fed false information to the public and as a result solved a case?

 

[SeeAlice]

Does LE ever offer a reward for information to disprove allegations?

 

[southernyankee]

There is a very real reason why they are publicly stating that they do not know where she was during that hour, and I think it is because they want to catch who they already know killed her in a lie that they cant alibi their way out of. JMO

This. I feel this has a real ring of truth to it. I think there may be technological information they've gathered that conflicts with some of the specifics of a stated alibi (or two, or more) that was/were previously provided. That sort of thing raises red flags, but it's not necessarily slam-dunk evidence of one's guilt/innocence in a case like this... just a signal of conflicting testimony with technological findings. But is it enough to warrant a narrower focus? Sure.

 

[SteveP]

Have there been many instances where LE fed false information to the public and as a result solved a case?

I'm sure there are many instances of LE giving false information to the public and then solving the case, but the first that comes to my mind is the very recent Hannah Graham case. When video footage of her walking in the mall with Jesse Matthew walking right beside her was first released, LE initially said that she was walking alone, and what appeared to be another person was her shadow. They then released a description of a male that looked absolutely nothing like Matthew, while they apparently had him in their sights very early on. Whether or not any false info has led directly to an arrest, probably, but I do not know of any instances offhand. JMO

 

[southernyankee]

Have there been many instances where LE fed false information to the public and as a result solved a case?

Great question! I'm wondering this myself, now. "Many instances" = I don't think so - it may be kind of rare - but I believe it has happened before. Just trying to think of a solid example off the top of my head...

*Edit: By this I took you to mean *deliberately* feeding false information (versus circulating one piece of information believed to be true at the time, and then correcting for it later).

 

[FelicityLemon]

Also, we have to think that the car didn't look then like we see it. It would still have been burning and probably recognizable in make, model, maybe paint color? I'm guessing, but I'm reasonably sure it wasn't the burnt out hulk we see.

Also, is it possible that Jessica could have either directed Cole to the cell phone, or he or someone found it and the battery inserted it and they could see whose it was?

 

[southernyankee]

Wait a minute, I feel ridiculous - I just remembered that this happened in the BTK case and it was totally badass + legit (my opinion, my opinion, etc. etc.)....and coincidentally (or not?), it was 10 years ago this week.

http://www.abajournal.com/magazine/article/how_the_cops_caught_btk/

In the weeks before his arrest, Rader had asked police whether he could communicate with them via a floppy disk without being traced to a particular computer.

Police responded by taking out an ad in the classified section of the local newspaper, as Rader had instructed, saying &#8220;Rex, it will be OK&#8221; to communicate via floppy disk.

A few weeks later, such a disk from BTK was sent to a local television station. The disk was quickly traced to Rader through a computer at his church.

...

&#8220;Him sending that disk is what cracked the case,&#8221; Landwehr says. &#8220;If he had just quit [killing] and kept his mouth shut, we might never have connected the dots.&#8221;

Rader was still smarting about the apparent betrayal in the hours after his Feb. 25, 2005, arrest, expressing shock at the fact police would intentionally deceive him and saying he thought he had a rapport going with Landwehr, whom he referred to by his first name.

&#8220;I need to ask you, how come you lied to me? How come you lied to me?&#8221; Rader asked Landwehr near the start of what would become a 32 hour interrogation-turned-confession.

&#8220;Because I was trying to catch you,&#8221; Landwehr replied matter of factly.