MS - Jessica Chambers, 19, found burned near her car, Panola County, 6 Dec 2014 - #9

[New1]

It is possible that Jessica was talking to someone on her cell at 7:31 from that scene, in which case LE can definitely state that she was on the scene at 7:31. I believe LE is a lot closer to solving this than we want to give them credit for. After mulling it over for a couple days now, I am now convinced that LE does in fact know her whereabouts between 6:30 and 7:30. There is just no way that they are clueless, with everything else they have gleaned with very advanced cell phone tracking technology. There is a very real reason why they are publicly stating that they do not know where she was during that hour, and I think it is because they want to catch who they already know killed her in a lie that they cant alibi their way out of. JMO

I hope you're right in the last part of your post, but I respectively disagree with the first sentence. There is no way, IMO, to tell WHO was talking on Jessica's phone at that precise time--only that her cell phone was in use by SOMEBODY, unless the conversation was being recorded and it has been verified to be Jessica's voice on the recording. It could very well have been Jessica talking on her phone, but it could very well have been someone else as well. I'm not trying to be argumentative, but this precise time and her precise location bothers me and sets off my hinky meter big time.

Now, a question...but please don't take it as a rumor because I have no knowledge nor have I heard any rumors whatsoever that this could be the way they knew where she was at all times during that day except that one missing hour, but does anyone know if an ankle bracelet gives detailed times and locations of the person wearing it? Just a wild thought.

 

[wfgodot]

Great question! I'm wondering this myself, now. "Many instances" = I don't think so - it may be kind of rare - but I believe it has happened before. Just trying to think of a solid example off the top of my head...

*Edit: By this I took you to mean *deliberately* feeding false information (versus circulating one piece of information believed to be true at the time, and then correcting for it later).

Yes; I meant deliberately.

I asked rhetorically -- sorta -- as I don't believe there have been many times, nor should there be; presenting falsehoods to the public muddies future waters by creating in the present scenarios whose net outcome inevitably will include, even if successful, introducing into the public mind that their cops deal falsely and thus ultimately cannot be trusted as truth-tellers.

 

[Classito]

You said it yourself: He didn't recognize her - he realized who she was - it's very different. They're trained in many things besides putting out fires. He said she spoke; one, if not the first question asked of victims is "can you tell me your name" It can help bring a panicky person back to earth )so to speak) by helping them focus, and she most likely knew she was burned quite badly and wanted someone to know who she was? Just guessing. If he recognized her he would have said recognized, not realized.

No mentioning of whether he asked her name or not...Although if she had spoken her name I believe he would be allowed to mention it..maybe he just thought it best not to say anything at all...Hard tellin', not knowin'

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[Classito]

I hope you're right in the last part of your post, but I respectively disagree with the first sentence. There is no way, IMO, to tell WHO was talking on Jessica's phone at that precise time--only that her cell phone was in use by SOMEBODY, unless the conversation was being recorded and it has been verified to be Jessica's voice on the recording. It could very well have been Jessica talking on her phone, but it could very well have been someone else as well. I'm not trying to be argumentative, but this precise time and her precise location bothers me and sets off my hinky meter big time.

Now, a question...but please don't take it as a rumor because I have no knowledge nor have I heard any rumors whatsoever that this could be the way they knew where she was at all times during that day except that one missing hour, but does anyone know if an ankle bracelet gives detailed times and locations of the person wearing it? Just a wild thought.

Are you talking about an ankle monitoring bracelet? Yes I would think they all do, at least all the newer ones..

"The ankle bracelet monitoring device sends electronic signals at timed intervals, the parole ankle monitor also used as a probation tether sends a radio frequency signal that reports the location and other vital information to a receiver"
http://www.actronsystems.com/police-criminal-ankle-bracelet-tether-tracking-monitoring.html

Also, we have to think that the car didn't look then like we see it. It would still have been burning and probably recognizable in make, model, maybe paint color? I'm guessing, but I'm reasonably sure it wasn't the burnt out hulk we see.

Also, is it possible that Jessica could have either directed Cole to the cell phone, or he or someone found it and the battery inserted it and they could see whose it was?

None of this would have positively proved that the victim was Jessica....It would only prove that it was Jessica's car and/or her phone...

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[southernyankee]

.... don't believe there have been many times, nor should there be; presenting falsehoods to the public muddies future waters by creating in the present scenarios whose net outcome inevitably will include, even if successful, introducing into the public mind that their cops deal falsely and thus ultimately cannot be trusted as truth-tellers.

I don't disagree with you on this - it shouldn't be a matter of practice.

However...

This case, to me, is a fine example of when "the ends justify the means." If, somehow, police stating they do not know of Jessica's whereabouts in the time specified (when in fact they do, or know more than they are admitting) - if the apparent disclosure of that information to the public could be a critical part of a planned strategy to successfully secure the arrest of the person(s) who did in fact kill her... then I say, go for it.

I don't think many in the Courtland area are too pleased with the thought of whoever did this walking about, living freely in a community that has been arguably traumatized by this crime.

 

[Classito]

Interesting information on cops can lie to catch bad guys..
http://www.forbes.com/sites/marcwebertobias/2014/11/12/yes-associated-press-cops-can-lie-to-catch-bad-guys/

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[debirlfan]

If Jessica ended a call with her mother on the phone at 7:13 (I believe I have the time correct), and the phone was at the scene at the time Jessica was found, then IMHO there has to be at least a 99.9% probability that if the phone was there at 7:31, then so was Jessica. It's difficult to imagine a scenario where the phone somehow got there prior to her arrival if she was talking on it less than 20 minutes earlier.

As to how she was identified on scene, given the size of the town and that people seemed to know her - quite possibly one of the firemen recognized the car, and someone asked "Jessica?" to which she either replied verbally or nodded. The "realization" might have been once the flames died down and he got a look at the car. Anyone know what her license plate was? If it was something memorable (not necessarily personalized, but repeated digits or the like) that might make it even more likely.

 

[menmo]

Are you talking about an ankle monitoring bracelet? Yes I would think they all do, at least all the newer ones..

"The ankle bracelet monitoring device sends electronic signals at timed intervals, the parole ankle monitor also used as a probation tether sends a radio frequency signal that reports the location and other vital information to a receiver"
http://www.actronsystems.com/police-criminal-ankle-bracelet-tether-tracking-monitoring.html



None of this would have positively proved that the victim was Jessica....It would only prove that it was Jessica's car and/or her phone...

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For an ankle monitoring device to work it has to have a landline phone to work off of though, doesn't it?

 

[Classito]

If Jessica ended a call with her mother on the phone at 7:13 (I believe I have the time correct), and the phone was at the scene at the time Jessica was found, then IMHO there has to be at least a 99.9% probability that if the phone was there at 7:31, then so was Jessica. It's difficult to imagine a scenario where the phone somehow got there prior to her arrival if she was talking on it less than 20 minutes earlier.

As to how she was identified on scene, given the size of the town and that people seemed to know her - quite possibly one of the firemen recognized the car, and someone asked "Jessica?" to which she either replied verbally or nodded. The "realization" might have been once the flames died down and he got a look at the car. Anyone know what her license plate was? If it was something memorable (not necessarily personalized, but repeated digits or the like) that might make it even more likely.

A lot can happen in less than 20 minutes....I believe Jessica was with her phone at 7:31...however, what her condition was at 7:31, or if it was her that used the phone at 7:31, or if someone had taken off with her phone (and maybe even her car) are all possible scenarios...

I have stated previously (see above rebuttals) regarding owner/registration/tag/and or description of a car does not prove a victim burned beyond recognition near said car is the owner of car...If Jessica was 'recognized' by other means such as saying her name....Then yes...but we do not know if she did or not...It is just a guess that she did...

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[Classito]

For an ankle monitoring device to work it has to have a landline phone to work off of though, doesn't it?

I am not sure...but I did notice some said GPS wireless..With technology the way it is today...I would think that would mean it works off towers like a cell phone...

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[Classito]

Did you see this car?

"Chambers was driving her 2005 black Kia in the Dogwood Hills area shortly before her death."

http://www.panolian.com/69321/1180/breaking-news-3

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[SteveP]

Did you see this car?

"Chambers was driving her 2005 black Kia in the Dogwood Hills area shortly before her death."

http://www.panolian.com/69321/1180/breaking-news-3

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Okay, to anyone local...where exactly is the Dogwood Hills area? Is it a subdivision, a trailer park? Do any of the names we know live in that immediate area??

ETA...I think I have been able to determine that Dogwood Hills is in Batesville, maybe a subdivision.

 

[southernyankee]

You know what? I sure hope LF + the police are talking a whole lot more lately. I'm not saying she's a suspect. But I'm saying she, very early on in this case, made it a point to let the media know + openly place herself close to the scene not too long from when Jessica may have been there.

Using this as a source: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/12/10/woman-set-on-fire/20195725/

Bear in mind that what was publicly stated at that time (December 10th), was perhaps the 911 call time and the arrival of first responders at about 8:13pm. No admittance that they could trace Jessica to be physically present at the Herron Road site a whole almost 45 minutes before that.

I realize it was dark out at 7:31pm and thereafter. I realize that numerous folks could have driven by that spot on the road between, say, 6:30pm - 8:05pm.

One of them, according to reports, called 911. (Off-kilter thought: Was LF the caller?)

"I can't believe I didn't see anything when I passed by here. I wish I had. I would have helped her. I would have fought for her if I had to." I don't know about this whole statement. I don't know if it's some sort of misplaced sort of survivor's guilt, or the distressed lamentations of a grieving friend, or some kind of guilty conscience, or some combination of these.

But even the 911 caller, presumably, only reported the car on fire. This person didn't stop to look more closely or attempt to administer aid, in any case, or suggest that he or she witnessed an injured person at the site. Hmm.

Another comment that is rubbing me the wrong way, in hindsight: "I'm the kind that'll bounce out there and start asking questions to find out what happened because that'll be the only way to get any information," LF said. "We owe that to Jessica."

We sure do, but...I wonder what she's uncovered herself thus far if she's been asking questions of other locals...and how much of whatever she's found out she's turned over to LE. She just seems...very keen to know what's happening, wants you to know she was along Herron Road that evening, and wants you to know that it's in her nature to be inquisitive about this.

Something about this doesn't sit quite right with me in light of the recent timeline information released. Anyone else? :-/

 

[suspicious1]

Was the car registered to Jessica or her father Ben?

 

[MizStery]

You know what? I sure hope LF + the police are talking a whole lot more lately. I'm not saying she's a suspect. But I'm saying she, very early on in this case, made it a point to let the media know + openly place herself close to the scene not too long from when Jessica may have been there.

Using this as a source: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/12/10/woman-set-on-fire/20195725/

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We sure do, but...I wonder what she's uncovered herself thus far if she's been asking questions of other locals...and how much of whatever she's found out she's turned over to LE. She just seems...very keen to know what's happening, wants you to know she was along Herron Road that evening, and wants you to know that it's in her nature to be inquisitive about this.

Something about this doesn't sit quite right with me in light of the recent timeline information released. Anyone else? :-/

I am close to going to bed. But,I thought I would read the last few posts before I :bed:

Thank-you Southern Yankee,for expressing everything so well.

Because,as you say LF is not a suspect. I too have kept my thoughts about her close to the chest.This goes back from the first time I read the USAToday story and watched the video of her & her half-sister (I think,I have also seen the young woman referred to as a sister)I just felt something was off.

i am cautious about saying too much. But,I wanted to respond and tell you thanks for your post.

My opinion only.:moo:

 

[bbbd4u]

Yes you are correct it is a subdivision inside the city of Batesville. When looking at a map here are the perimeter roads for The Dogwood Hills subdivision west of I-55, south of Hwy. 6, east of Woodland and north of Eureka Road. Hope this can provide a little more info for yall

Okay, to anyone local...where exactly is the Dogwood Hills area? Is it a subdivision, a trailer park? Do any of the names we know live in that immediate area??

ETA...I think I have been able to determine that Dogwood Hills is in Batesville, maybe a subdivision.

 

[clarabelle]

I hope you're right in the last part of your post, but I respectively disagree with the first sentence. There is no way, IMO, to tell WHO was talking on Jessica's phone at that precise time--only that her cell phone was in use by SOMEBODY, unless the conversation was being recorded and it has been verified to be Jessica's voice on the recording. It could very well have been Jessica talking on her phone, but it could very well have been someone else as well. I'm not trying to be argumentative, but this precise time and her precise location bothers me and sets off my hinky meter big time.

Now, a question...but please don't take it as a rumor because I have no knowledge nor have I heard any rumors whatsoever that this could be the way they knew where she was at all times during that day except that one missing hour, but does anyone know if an ankle bracelet gives detailed times and locations of the person wearing it? Just a wild thought.

I've been following Jessica's case from the beginning and had hoped we'd be heading towards arrests at this point. Patience, I know.....its difficult to get locals to talk about what they know because of fear.

Regarding the phone...it keeps a list of all incoming and outgoing phone calls (recent calls) with the persons name listed if they are in Jessica's contacts (otherwise just the phone number is listed). It also gives you info on the time of the call and how long the call lasted. You could also look up the records for texts: who the conversation was with, the time and day it took place. Probably a better source of info as you can read the conversations.

For the hour she was missing perhaps the phone was off or the battery drained (or the battery was pulled) They should be able to figure out a rough location based on the phone pinging off the towers. I am just going to guess that there were no phone conversations or texts at this time.

And as far as I know (mainly from reading other cases) an ankle bracelet should give your location and the time you were there

 

[wfgodot]

I don't disagree with you on this - it shouldn't be a matter of practice.

However...

This case, to me, is a fine example of when "the ends justify the means." If, somehow, police stating they do not know of Jessica's whereabouts in the time specified (when in fact they do, or know more than they are admitting) - if the apparent disclosure of that information to the public could be a critical part of a planned strategy to successfully secure the arrest of the person(s) who did in fact kill her... then I say, go for it.

I don't think many in the Courtland area are too pleased with the thought of whoever did this walking about, living freely in a community that has been arguably traumatized by this crime.

I think they may have "gone for it" when announcing that Jessica had spoken with first responders in spite of her grievous injuries, in an attempt to ferret out the possible perps. Because of course she would have named her assailants. But arrests have not been made now 79 days later.

 

[cady]

Her page is not gone. She has just changed it to her first name and last initial, and locked it down. RF's is now locked down as well.

Good. Hopefully FBI has them. JMO

 

[dairydog]

Did you see this car?

"Chambers was driving her 2005 black Kia in the Dogwood Hills area shortly before her death."

http://www.panolian.com/69321/1180/breaking-news-3

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Have I missed something? I don't recall Champion or anyone else who previously mentioned this subdivision. This seemed to appear out of nowhere but it may prove to be a valuable tip.