MS - Jessica Chambers, 19, Panola County, 6 Dec 2014 ; Quinton Tellis Indicted - #12

[DeDee]

ATasteOfHoney, I believe there are two Coles. Panola Emergency Management Agency Director Daniel C. Cole in the Panolian article was not the Cole who allegedly heard Jessica; that was Cole Haley, Fire Chief of the Courtland VFD, one of the first responders. Lisa Dougherty also did not hear Jessica, she was just repeating what she heard a fireman (presumably Haley) and at least according to one early news source, a nurse, say she said.

at least according to one early news source, a nurse, say she said

May I request a link for the nurse who said Jessica spoke, please?

Daniel C Cole, 41, took over the Emergency Management position when his boss died in 2008. Only one guess on how the poor man died. Yep. Car accident. Just prior to his retirement.

http://www.msema.org/panola-countys-son-hudson-added-to-emergency-management-memorial/

The Emergency Management office is more commonly known as civil defense. The agency may be best known for disaster response but also coordinates with the Miss. Emergency Management office, acts as a liaison for fire departments, and cooperates with the mammoth Homeland Security federal agency.

http://www.panolian.com/contentitem/103986/1180/daniel-cole

With so few LEO on site at Jessica's CS, coupled with the early shut down of the CS, it is doubtful, in my happy little mind that Daniel C Cole was there. I believe he is taking the message he heard his CVFC say and repeating it.

Daniel C Cole


Cole Haley held the position as CVFC about a year+ before Jessica's death.

What else I find interesting is that there apparently were no on-lookers even after the Med-Evac was put into the air to land at the church. Why didn't any one curious go to see what the commotion was about? The fire engine sirens, the popping, crackling noises of Jessica's burning car, the 10' to 12' high flames, the smoke, the med-evac was ignored by the community at 8:15 on a full moon Saturday night. Unbelievable.

 

[MizStery]

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Jamon Moton and Will Phillips were shot to death. The car they were driving was found burned 3 miles down the road...LE believe there is a link to other murders in the area but would not give any specifics.
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http://www.localmemphis.com/news/local-news/two-dead-in-double-homicide-in-marshall-county
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Thanks Classico!


I read a tweet today from Tom Dees on the double homicide (linked in Classito's post)in Marshall County,"Sheriff Dickerson said two things making this case difficult. Fire destroyed evidence. People not talking."


Classito this is like déjà vu all over again.

Gosh, where have we heard 'that quote' before,"two things making this case difficult. Fire destroyed evidence. People not talking." Cough,cough Sheriff Darby.

Well, Sheriff Darby and Sheriff Marshall are going down the preverbial rabbit hole again!The question is will anyone bother to go down it with them? Fool me once shame on you;fool me twice shame on me.

:cow:

 

[MizStery]

Well, no, because rumor in the newspaper isn't going to be introduced into evidence at a trial.

Bingo!
That's why I think there is no substantiated official willing to testify that JC said a name.

If the rumors of a name are coming---they are just that. Imo

Early on CNN was in Mississippi and video taped County/City Hall Workers collecting potential evidence from Herron Road when they were asked to leave. I believe the article I am linking is possibly when CNN were still reporting on the ground in Mississippi.

OK,you have a little background as to this article which is credited to CNN.

My question is if;as this article suggests DA John Champion is on record as to what exactly she spoke to Cole Haley. I would assume he testified to the Grand Jury what Jessica Chambers told Cole Haley. Could a criminal defense attorney introduce what 'her actual word's were;that gave Champion a lead' from testimony the district attorney gave to the Grand Jury?

New Details Emerge in Killing of Mississippi Teen Who Was Burned Alive
POSTED 5:34 AM, DECEMBER 11, 2014, BY CNN WIRE, UPDATED AT 12:53PM, DECEMBER 11, 2014
Wednesday that when firefighters arrived at the scene near Courtland, Mississippi, Chambers approached one of them and spoke. She was not on fire, as has been widely reported, the prosecutor said.
Champion didn&#8217;t divulge the teen&#8217;s words but said, &#8220;It has certainly given us a lead we&#8217;re following up on.&#8221;


http://ktla.com/2014/12/11/mississi...provided-firefighters-clue-to-who-killed-her/

:cow:
Offtopic: I use an iPad I prefer using the web to view Websleuths. But,I am having so many problems with my screens updating using the Safari web browser that I installed the Taptalk App. If I were using a cell or tablet with a small screen perhaps Taptalk would be ideal. Instead,I have to go to the Taptalk App then select the link to the Safari Web Page~to load the the Websleuths Webpages in my preferred Safari browser web based screens. Oh woe is me! :shame:

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[rbarber17]

May I request a link for the nurse who said Jessica spoke, please?
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My pleasure, Chick-a-DeDee:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?296487-MS-Jessica-Chambers-19-found-burned-near-her-car-Panola-County-6-Dec-2014-12&p=12286329#post12286329

Please note it was (1) the UK's Daily Mail that stated that (2) LD stated that (3) a nurse said that (4) Jessica had spoken, not the nurse herself/himself. So it was at least second or third hand information. If you have any doubts about that chain of credibility, please accept the information with a grain of salt... or pillar.

 

[rbarber17]

http://www.fox13memphis.com/news/father-of-marshall-county-murder-victim-speaks-out/27477415

Jamon Moton and Will Phillips were shot to death. The car they were driving was found burned 3 miles down the road...LE believe there is a link to other murders in the area but would not give any specifics.
Red Banks MS

http://www.localmemphis.com/news/local-news/two-dead-in-double-homicide-in-marshall-county

Classito

#Note: DT is connected on FB with Phillips

Marshall County is on the Tennessee border. The two county seats (Batesville for Panola County, Holly Springs for Marshall County) are 55 miles apart. Holly Springs is roughly the same distance due north of Oxford as Batesville is due west of Oxford. The two crime scenes, Jessica's in Courtland and the other one in Red Banks, are 70 miles apart. Here's a map of the area:

 

[bbbd4u]

http://www.fox13memphis.com/news/father-of-marshall-county-murder-victim-speaks-out/27477415

Jamon Moton and Will Phillips were shot to death. The car they were driving was found burned 3 miles down the road...LE believe there is a link to other murders in the area but would not give any specifics.
Red Banks MS

http://www.localmemphis.com/news/local-news/two-dead-in-double-homicide-in-marshall-county

Classito

#Note: DT is connected on FB with Phillips

This is all IMO... I have heard of different gangs sending messages to other gangs by gun shooting and then setting a fire to destroy evidence. The big difference I see in-between these other cases and Jessica's was she herself was set on fire. I believe if the perp/perps thought she was dead already they would not have used an accelerant in her mouth and nose. I see the similarities of the fires to destroy evidence but the method of homicide is very different in my opinion. The only thing I believe that could possibly connect these two cases would be if the same accelerant was and it could be proven that it came from one specific batch with identical additives.

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[Steleheart]

This is all IMO... I have heard of different gangs sending messages to other gangs by gun shooting and then setting a fire to destroy evidence. The big difference I see in-between these other cases and Jessica's was she herself was set on fire. I believe if the perp/perps thought she was dead already they would not have used an accelerant in her mouth and nose. I see the similarities of the fires to destroy evidence but the method of homicide is very different in my opinion. The only thing I believe that could possibly connect these two cases would be if the same accelerant was and it could be proven that it came from one specific batch with identical additives.

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Highlighted By Me:

Any links to an LE or MSM story that "they" did That? Has it been proven?

IMO this aspect is sensationalism touted by some extremist blogs on social media as something "Ben said". Did he? According to whom?

 

[Classito]

This is all IMO... I have heard of different gangs sending messages to other gangs by gun shooting and then setting a fire to destroy evidence. The big difference I see in-between these other cases and Jessica's was she herself was set on fire. I believe if the perp/perps thought she was dead already they would not have used an accelerant in her mouth and nose. I see the similarities of the fires to destroy evidence but the method of homicide is very different in my opinion. The only thing I believe that could possibly connect these two cases would be if the same accelerant was and it could be proven that it came from one specific batch with identical additives.

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Chances of the same fuel batch being used in duplicate murders over time would be rare. The car in both cases was parked in a wooded area that looked similar to each other although in different counties. Other things that could connect the two cases are the same friends/relatives of the victims, drugs. Gangs have been known to shoot and not burn, shoot and burn, and burn without shooting. I see absolutely no reason to rule out a connection based on the fuel batch nor on the manner in which they died. I don't see gang members sticking to an MO.

There was a similar double homicide in the same county in 2014. Both men were shot and car and bodies lit on fire

http://www.clarionledger.com/story/...micide-investigation-marshall-county/8994303/

Classito

 

[bbbd4u]

Highlighted By Me:

Any links to an LE or MSM story that "they" did That? Has it been proven?

IMO this aspect is sensationalism touted by some extremist blogs on social media as something "Ben said". Did he? According to whom?

Most of MSM links report this from either Ben or a family member. Here are a few different MSM articles in reference the different statements the accelerant.

Investigators are hoping Chambers' final words will lead them to the killer who allegedly poured accelerant down her throat before lighting her on fire in a crime that has stunned the small Mississippi community of Courtland.

Panola County Sheriff Dennis Darby confirmed the young woman died after she was doused with a flammable liquid and set on fire on a road in Courtland, a town with a population of 460 people.

"They squirted lighter fluid down her throat and in her nose, and apparently they knocked her out," her father, Ben Chambers, told Fox affiliate WDBD-TV.

http://tinyurl.com/hqplyk7

Cops hope the final words of a Mississippi teen burned alive will lead authorities to her attacker, who poured lighter fluid down her throat before setting her aflame, police and family members said.

http://tinyurl.com/kbk2opw

Investigators say someone poured an accelerant on Chambers and set her on fire. There is talk that the accelerant had been poured down her mouth and nose due to the amount and severity of internal burns.

http://tinyurl.com/ztzqehr

Though authorities are releasing sparse details of the crime and investigation, they have determined an accelerant was used in the blaze, but it&#8217;s not clear whether the accelerant was poured on the car or Chambers herself, Champion said.

http://tinyurl.com/jq752us

 

[bbbd4u]

Has there been another case where a gang member/members intentionally burned someone alive? If it has happened I am very curious as to what the MO was if it was one specific gang or if rival gangs uniting for a specific reason such as gaining more control.

Chances of the same fuel batch being used in duplicate murders over time would be rare. The car in both cases was parked in a wooded area that looked similar to each other although in different counties. Other things that could connect the two cases are the same friends/relatives of the victims, drugs. Gangs have been known to shoot and not burn, shoot and burn, and burn without shooting. I see absolutely no reason to rule out a connection based on the fuel batch nor on the manner in which they died. I don't see gang members sticking to an MO.

There was a similar double homicide in the same county in 2014. Both men were shot and car and bodies lit on fire

http://www.clarionledger.com/story/...micide-investigation-marshall-county/8994303/

Classito

 

[bbbd4u]

Here is one MSM story I found that shows gang activity with intentionally setting a person on fire.

A local activist says a woman accused of taking part in the brutal murder of a man who was deliberately set on fire has confessed the crime, explaining that it was part of a gang initiation.

She said they were all Black Disciple gang members, said Quanell X. She said one of them was a Blood, who had just become a Black Disciple gang member and this was part of her initiation and his.

http://www.khou.com/story/news/2014/07/23/12054134/

 

[rbarber17]

Here is one MSM story I found that shows gang activity with intentionally setting a person on fire.

A local activist says a woman accused of taking part in the brutal murder of a man who was deliberately set on fire has confessed the crime, explaining that it was part of a gang initiation.

http://www.khou.com/story/news/2014/07/23/12054134/

O-man-G, bbbd4u -- just $50,000 bail for First Degree Murder? So Hollis could be out on only a $5,000 bond. What could that judge have been thinking? That's almost what it would cost to ship the poor victim's body back to his mother in El Salvador ($4,000). One stinking drug deal and his gangsta buddies could spring him.


Editorial note: O-man-G is a family expression from my oldest grandson, who decided that was what "OMG" meant.

 

[pappa rob]

O-man-G, bbbd4u -- just $50,000 bail for First Degree Murder? So Hollis could be out on only a $5,000 bond. What could that judge have been thinking? That's almost what it would cost to ship the poor victim's body back to his mother in El Salvador ($4,000). One stinking drug deal and his gangsta buddies could spring him.


Editorial note: O-man-G is a family expression from my oldest grandson, who decided that was what "OMG" meant.

Your Grandson's got a future maybe Law, Comedy or where I don't know, but I love it..

 

[DeDee]

POSTED 6:43 PM, OCTOBER 2, 2015, BY SIOBHAN RILEY
Gang Injunction

It got so bad [in Memphis] that the District Attorney's Office sought a first of its kind injunction in 2013 banning gang members from even talking to each other in public.

http://wreg.com/2015/10/02/first-ev...g-the-attention-of-officials-from-california/

Where did those gangs go when they were run out of Memphis?

King Street, Batesville
Google Map (notice park on the left and the street dead ends)
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.316...4!1skHz4HJANln1rB_9qeqhP_A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/860502/mcnicko-giles-v-state-of-mississippi/

Gang Related News Articles in MS
https://www.nationalgangcenter.gov/gang-related-news?st=ms

Mississippi Analysis and Information Center Gang Threat Assessment 2010
EMERGING THREATS
&#61656; Gang migration from urban communities to suburban and rural locations poses a unique threat to the state of Mississippi as gangs seek to expand membership, increase revenue and avoid contact with law enforcement. [7]

https://info.publicintelligence.net/MSAIC-GangsAssessment2010.pdf

Chicago to Miss Pipeline By Chris Joyner, USA TODAY
"...street gangs evolve over time and become institutionalized in communities, particularly in areas where young men have few other opportunities."

http://chicagogangs.org/index.php?pr=NEWS_180

How to Join a Gang
http://people.missouristate.edu/michaelcarlie/what_i_learned_about/gangs/join_a_gang.htm

There is an abundance of information on gangs available on the internet. I see absolutely no tie to a gang initiation with the brutal immolation of Jessica Chambers. We can cite reports from Houston, TX or West Monroe, LA or Southern California that may have similarities but this case is about Jessica Chambers and her horrific death in Panola County MS. JMHO

Please allow me to thank each one of the many posters on this thread for being involved in helping to find connections, coincidences and clues. In no way, do I want to stop the ball from rolling. I truly appreciate every post, every opinion, every thought written. I may not agree with all of them but please do not allow my influence to keep you from researching any possible angle that may lead to an arrest of Jessica's killer or killers.

:loveyou:

 

[bbbd4u]

POSTED 6:43 PM, OCTOBER 2, 2015, BY SIOBHAN RILEY
Gang Injunction

It got so bad [in Memphis] that the District Attorney's Office sought a first of its kind injunction in 2013 banning gang members from even talking to each other in public.

http://wreg.com/2015/10/02/first-ev...g-the-attention-of-officials-from-california/

Where did those gangs go when they were run out of Memphis?

King Street, Batesville
Google Map (notice park on the left and the street dead ends)
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.316...4!1skHz4HJANln1rB_9qeqhP_A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/860502/mcnicko-giles-v-state-of-mississippi/

Gang Related News Articles in MS
https://www.nationalgangcenter.gov/gang-related-news?st=ms

Mississippi Analysis and Information Center Gang Threat Assessment 2010
EMERGING THREATS
&#61656; Gang migration from urban communities to suburban and rural locations poses a unique threat to the state of Mississippi as gangs seek to expand membership, increase revenue and avoid contact with law enforcement. [7]

https://info.publicintelligence.net/MSAIC-GangsAssessment2010.pdf

Chicago to Miss Pipeline By Chris Joyner, USA TODAY
"...street gangs evolve over time and become institutionalized in communities, particularly in areas where young men have few other opportunities."

http://chicagogangs.org/index.php?pr=NEWS_180

How to Join a Gang
http://people.missouristate.edu/michaelcarlie/what_i_learned_about/gangs/join_a_gang.htm

There is an abundance of information on gangs available on the internet. I see absolutely no tie to a gang initiation with the brutal immolation of Jessica Chambers. We can cite reports from Houston, TX or West Monroe, LA or Southern California that may have similarities but this case is about Jessica Chambers and her horrific death in Panola County MS. JMHO

Please allow me to thank each one of the many posters on this thread for being involved in helping to find connections, coincidences and clues. In no way, do I want to stop the ball from rolling. I truly appreciate every post, every opinion, every thought written. I may not agree with all of them but please do not allow my influence to keep you from researching any possible angle that may lead to an arrest of Jessica's killer or killers.

:loveyou:

Thank you DeDee for all your hard work too!!!! [emoji1]

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[DeDee]

And you are going to tell me this girl wasn't suicidal?!

SeriouslySearching, I do not know Jessica's state of mind on the night of her death. Do you feel that she set herself and her car on fire on purpose because she wanted to die?

Wonder what the stats are on how many people kill themselves by setting themselves on fire.

 

[carbuff]

SeriouslySearching, I do not know Jessica's state of mind on the night of her death. Do you feel that she set herself and her car on fire on purpose because she wanted to die?

Wonder what the stats are on how many people kill themselves by setting themselves on fire.

It does happen. Here's an article from a couple of years ago, after a kid from Colorado set himself on fire in school: http://news.discovery.com/history/religion/self-immolation-the-macabre-mystery-140127.htm

As the article points out, suicide by fire is usually but not always a political statement or protest. They don't mention that it's sometimes an act of religious devotion, especially in certain Buddhist or Hindu traditions. When done for political reasons, it's usually quite public. Other cases seem to be trying to get attention.

There was a case here a few years back of a guy who burnt himself in his car to try to make it look like an accident rather than suicide, so his family could collect his insurance. He didn't die, and he went to jail for insurance fraud...

But I don't see any of those in Jessica's situation. The more I look at the other possibilities, the more it seems clear that she was killed by someone who hated her very, very much. But I don't think suicide can be ruled out either.

 

[rbarber17]

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There is an abundance of information on gangs available on the internet. I see absolutely no tie to a gang initiation with the brutal immolation of Jessica Chambers. We can cite reports from Houston, TX or West Monroe, LA or Southern California that may have similarities but this case is about Jessica Chambers and her horrific death in Panola County MS. JMHO

Please allow me to thank each one of the many posters on this thread for being involved in helping to find connections, coincidences and clues. In no way, do I want to stop the ball from rolling. I truly appreciate every post, every opinion, every thought written. I may not agree with all of them but please do not allow my influence to keep you from researching any possible angle that may lead to an arrest of Jessica's killer or killers.

:loveyou:

(1) I hate to sound like I&#8217;m in favor of gangs, DeDee, which I absolutely am not, but your first link to the article about the Memphis DA getting an injunction against gang members from talking to each other in public sounds an awful lot like an infringement on their First Amendment rights. Next thing, they will be restricting open discussions amongst visiting members of the Sûreté -- Mons Dieu!

Put them in jail first, then LE is free to restrict their Constitutional rights all they want&#8230; but not before.

(2) Quote from the Mississippi Analysis and Information Center Gang Threat Assessment 2010 report:

&#8220;Gang migration from urban communities to suburban and rural locations poses a unique threat to
the state of Mississippi as gangs seek to expand membership, increase revenue and avoid contact
with law enforcement.&#8221;​

Sound anything like Panola County to you?

(3) A family member works for the federal courts, and was friends with a DA who transferred to the DOJ, moving to D.C. to combat nationwide gang-related crime. So the feds are probably also involved in the state and local LE efforts:
http://www.justice.gov/criminal-ocgs

All items JMO.


p.s. As for your last comment, let me say that Free women will disagree, too...

 

[wfgodot]

Again -- a longish list of car fire suicides in the U.S. available via Google search; since I compiled this, I've documented four or five more recent ones from 2015. Rare, yes, but it happens, it happens.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ola-County-Dec-2014-9&p=11424877#post11424877

 

[rbarber17]

And you recall my suggestion of an "Occam's Razor on a Budget" principle at work, for LE to declare them a suicide?