MS - Jessica Chambers, 19, Panola County, 6 Dec 2014 ; Quinton Tellis Indicted - #12

[rbarber17]

Have a great night. Please don't think I'm ever "teed" off. I respect everyone's opinions and investigative techniques. My intent was just to give some perspective from someone familiar with the area, people and politics. It's a horrible situation.

I also work with attorneys (I AM NOT A LAWYER). I'm accustomed to very blunt and direct conversations, and am guilty of the same. Forgive me if I came across harshly. It wasn't my intent.

I'm sure Harper Lee isn't writing much about southern crime these days, but I expect this fellow still is:
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Grisham[/URL]

We need to get him interested in writing another best seller, this time based on the recent nefarious deeds in and around Panola County, MS. He actually got his law degree not far from Courtland.

BTW, since you're -not- a lawyer, I guess it's OK for me to trot out one more old lawyer joke?
Q. Why do lawyers wear ties?
A. To hold back the foreskin.

JMO

 

[DeDee]

Here is an example of DA Champion's TL.No one is forthcoming in Panola County in a coherant linear telling of TL. So,it forces us to read and reread events to construct a meaningful TL.


OK ,here is an example. Why does DA Champion practice duplicity i.e. say why the confusion with the LD cell call from 6:48 to 7:13? 1)LD said she made to Jessica? 2)DA Champion initially leaves out her call from the official TL. 3)Then rewinds the TL and blows off LD conversation as brief. 4)Then in another TL twist DA Champion contradicts Lisa /that it was not LD who placed the call to Jessica. 5)(This is mind bending )DA Champion reverses the order & states that it was Jessica who placed the brief call to LD . Why doesn't DA Champion not just give us the TL in a linear logical easy to follow manner.Why the duplicity?Why put LD in such an ackward place by toying with her narrative? It is really quite mind blowing -all I can say is DA Champion please give us a straight forward TL.

Oh and finally,DA Champion you have back tracked on Detective Thompson too! Detective Thompson had previously cleared BC. It was of note BC was excluded from the 3 people you named as cleared in People Mag.I hope DA Champion you have a very good reason for these omissions. Because,if you do not I will call you out as being a despicable & cruel person.

Something odd is also going on with Jessica's cell phone. At least that would be my hunch.But,hey we've know the entire cell phone signal,discussion of SIM card,battery missing from cell phone throw away at CS was a work in progress.OK,here's another wrinkle which cell phone was it found at the CS? Was it Jessica's cell or could it have been a 'plant' to throw off the CS investigation?I could wax on and on as to the official TL but risk being voted off the island.
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The only anchor for me is Websleuthers Ranch's talisman: "The fire makes TL very tight for alibi."


I am not trying to nitpick BC or LD statements!I am taking DA Champion's TL and statements and what has been published in mainstream media and attempted to cobble togeather a coherent narrative. That is all.If LD or BC narrative does not track with DA Champion then it warrants being discussed and any differences noted.

I am am only interested in constructing DA Champion's TL. We are forced to read and reread to crochet a TL. All our time is spent fact checking the latest spin from mainstream media. This only my opinion.

Thanks to to everyone for their opinions. I truly do enjoy reading every single post.

Note:In my previous post I used spell check and it subbed 'emulation' for 'immolation' hope the context helped you figure out what I meant.

:moo:

Something odd is also going on with Jessica's cell phone. At least that would be my hunch.But,hey we've know the entire cell phone signal,discussion of SIM card,battery missing from cell phone throw away at CS was a work in progress.OK,here's another wrinkle which cell phone was it found at the CS? Was it Jessica's cell or could it have been a 'plant' to throw off the CS investigation?I could wax on and on as to the official TL but risk being voted off the island.

Voted off the island!

Every now and again someone places a slight bit of humor into their posts which, quite honestly, is appreciated since we are discussing such a horrendous crime against a 19yo young lady who was burned while alive and left to die alone on the side of a rural road. It truly makes it more bearable, in a way, to lighten up occasionally or we'd all be flying over the cuckoo's nest.

 

[MSCJgrad]

Was the 'snitching' comment/comments observed by anyone other than LD? If not, unfortunately that info is not credible to me, exactly like 97% of the information that we have collected since JC's murder.

Yessiree.

 

[wfgodot]

What evidence might everyone agree is truly credible?

 

[DeDee]

January 2015

Lisa Chambers Radio Archive ~ First and Second Segment

LD's interview begins around the 07:30 mark:
http://www.truecrimeradio.com/radio-archives/beth-karas-lisa-chambers-radio-archive-january-2015/

One of the first things LD mentions is the book Jessica wanted to write.

LD visited the CS, on the day of the interview, to return the basket of flowers that she has removed earlier.

LD explains that Jessica did not assault her mother before going to Leah's House. LD said JC had a lot of anger so she called the police. She stayed 6 - 8 weeks and returned home a "totally different child".

LD explains that Jessica's behavior for the week leading to the police call was strange. Jessica reacted to LD as if LD "was going to hit her; kinda paranoid". Charges were not pressed against Jessica since she agreed to go to Leah's House.

Lisa has never watched all of the CCTV and has not asked to view it in its entirety. She does not know who Jessica went to speak to when she walks out of the view of the CCTV that we have seen nor has she asked who the person was.

Lisa describes Jessica's expression as one of surprise as if she was surprised to see that person at M&Ms [as Jessica stops to wave at someone off camera.] *Note: JC went off CCTV to speak to SR. SR was banned from entering M&Ms because she had been caught stealing from the store.

Lisa has no clue who made the 911 call.

Lisa's opinion is that an accelerant was poured into Jessica's mouth while she was inside the car; she was lit on fire then, got out of the car and dropped to the ground. Lisa has not been told what type accelerant was used.

Lisa does not know how long the crime had taken place before her daughter was found. LD has not been told by LEO anything about the CS other than where it occurred.

Lisa says it was not an accident.

Lisa claims Jessica was talking while in the helicopter but has not been told what she said. She stated that Jessica was not speaking when she saw her at the Med in Memphis.

LD, around the time of Jessica's funeral, learned of internet rumors of her and Jessica being in the Gangster Disciple and her father was involved in a different gang. Lisa denies her family, that includes herself, Ben and Jessica, of any gang affiliation.

LD said Jessica had supposedly quit smoking. Jessica fussed at Lisa for smoking in her own house because the smoke burned Jessica's eyes. Jessica purchased cigarettes that night but they were for Lisa.

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I have my own thoughts, opinions and questions about this portion of the interview; however, would rather you guys select portions and discuss it. Just to get us started, I'll go first:

How does Lisa know that Jessica purchased Lisa's cigarettes for her that night? Did Jessica stop by her home and give them to Lisa before the fire? If Lisa doesn't even know who Jessica spoke to [SR] while at the M&M store, how does she know that Jessica bought cigarettes with the money that she gave her?

 

[DeDee]

January 2015
Lisa Chambers Radio Archive ~ Continued as the Final Segment of LD's interview that begins around the 32:30 mark:

http://www.truecrimeradio.com/radio-archives/beth-karas-lisa-chambers-radio-archive-january-2015/

Lisa expresses surprise when Tricia states that Jessica was at a party the night of her death. Lisa says, "Huh? What do you mean she was at a party?" Jessica did not go to a party that LD was aware of. She left home "between 5:00 and 5:30, maybe". Jessica was going to get something to eat; clean the junk out of her car and pick up Lisa's cigarettes. Then, she was going home to clean her room because her sister from TX was coming in. Jessica left home with her pj pants on, her house shoes, a shirt and put her jacket on. "Jessica said she was going down to the store to get something to eat, clean out her car then, come back home."

Tricia tells LD: So she went to a party and we want to know who she left with. Lisa then agrees with Tricia that she has heard the rumors about a party but she has to be honest and say that she could have went but that she doesn't have a clue. If she did, she never said a word to her mother about it. "And I talked to her that night from 6:48 until 7 something." Jessica did not say where she was. She said she would get her[self] something to eat then she would be home to clean up her room. Then, she said, "I love you, momma."

Lisa told her daughter, just picking on her, "Yeah, I bet you will." Jessica told her mother that she would be home in a few minutes to clean her room and says "I love you, momma". Lisa adds, "That's all she said."

Tricia asks LD if she knows Charlotte Wilkerson and what kind of relationship she had with Jessica. Lisa admits to knowing a Charlotte. LD tells that Charlotte is a neighbor who lives across the street. "You can see her house from my house."

Aunt Cha Cha and Jessica were friends. Tricia tells LD that Aunt Cha Cha, someone close to Jessica, is the one who said Jessica went to a party. Lisa states that is why she has a problem with Charlotte. "She came up to me the next day acting weird. Then, she shows up at the candlelight vigil but I have not heard or seen from her except for those two times." Charlotte waited until everyone was gone from the vigil except for Lisa, AJ, Heather and the Holly Bobo family representative who were standing together talking before Charlotte came.

Lisa is baffled that Charlotte has not come over to talk to her. Tricia suggested that LD call Aunt Cha Cha. Lisa says she does not know Charlotte's number. Tricia asked if she would feel comfortable going to Charlotte's house to ask her what she knows. LD says she "would love to know what happened; anything that happened but I can't get her to say anything to me."

LD denies any possibility that BC could be responsible. Tricia asks is she knows Jerrick T. Lisa does not know him. JT claims on Facebook that BC killed his daughter. LD claims BC does not look at Facebook.

Lisa said both she and Ben were questioned that night. Lisa has been questioned intensely by the FBI, the USM and county officials, all of them, she said. Lisa did not feel the officials were being accusatory in their questioning.

With Tricia giving Lisa one more minute to say whatever she wants, Lisa wishes Charlotte would come to her with information and tell LD what she knows.

And with that, the January 2015 interview with LD concluded.

 

[DeDee]

In this February 11, 2015 interview with Therese Apel, LD tells her that Jessica tells her mother several times "these b****** think I'm snitching and I'm not." Once, Jessica looked behind her toward out the door. Lisa looked and didn't see anything. [Well, Charlotte lived across the street!]

Lisa says, "The thing with Jessica is, you never knew if she was serious or not."

LD says she texted Jessica and called her but she didn't answer so she called her back at 6:48. The call ended and Lisa hung her "phone up at 7:13". The law got there at 8:13, according to LD.

http://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2015/02/14/moms-last-words-jessica-chambers/23442951/

Therefore, between Tricia's interview in January and Therese's interview in February, Lisa discovered their ph call ended at 7:13 and not at "7 something". If LEO had possession of her phone, and she said they did on FB and she said a stranger bought her a new phone then, how did she know what time the ph call ended?

I must admit to recently seeing an interview with Ben when he also attests to the fact that Jessica told him that "them b****** think I'm snitching" because you work for the Sheriff's Dept. I've spent far too much time searching for that video interview. Although I'm not a certified intuitionologist, I'm almost positive it was a recent interview and not one of his earlier ones.

 

[rbarber17]

January 2015

Lisa Chambers Radio Archive ~ First and Second Segment

LD's interview begins around the 07:30 mark:
http://www.truecrimeradio.com/radio-archives/beth-karas-lisa-chambers-radio-archive-january-2015/

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LD explains that Jessica did not assault her mother before going to Leah's House. LD said JC had a lot of anger so she called the police. She stayed 6 - 8 weeks and returned home a "totally different child".

LD explains that Jessica's behavior for the week leading to the police call was strange. Jessica reacted to LD as if LD "was going to hit her; kinda paranoid". Charges were not pressed against Jessica since she agreed to go to Leah's House.

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Thanks for posting this, DeDee I had never heard it before, indeed had never listened to any True Crime show.

I listened to the second segment first, and have to tell you LD did not come across to me as a person trying to be evasive or hide something, or who could have been involved in Jessica's murder. JMO

That said, I then listened to the earlier segment which included LD's responses to the chat room questions about Leah's House. I listened to that one part several times, and I finally concluded LD was being less than truthful about the reason for Jessica being sent there.

Your summary of her comments above seems quite accurate, but you did not include her statements a few moments later.

She mentioned Jessica had only been at Leah's three days when she was already writing letters begging LD to let her come back home. But then LD blurted out that wasn't the deal. You have to take the consequences... for an assault. Listen for it, about the 12:30 mark, because she sort of swallows her words a little here:

"And of course, I had to say, you know, that was the deal, that was what you get for assaulting, you know?"

Now that is a direct contradiction of what she had just said a few minutes earlier, that it was -not- really an assault, that Jessica had just been acting strangely that week, and had expressed a lot of anger. And yet, Lisa "called the police on her" and they apparently persuaded her to send Jessica to Leah's House in lieu of "pressing charges" -- but for what? Having her arrested for being angry or paranoid, or for acting strangely? When did that become a crime? What LEO would arrest anyone for such a ridiculous accusation?

Based on this one item, I conclude Lisa must not want us to know the real reasons she forced Jessica, against her will, to go to Leah's House.

All JMO.

 

[DeDee]

What evidence might everyone agree is truly credible?

Good question, wfgodot.

1. Jessica was murdered six weeks after meeting Linda Oliver at an October 25 conference at Liberty Hill Baptist Church in Batesville and asked Ms Oliver for help in writing a book. The next day, Jessica hugged then, beseeched Ms Oliver, "Please don't forget me." http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2014/12/funeral_for_jessica_chambers_1.html

2. Jessica pumped gas into her black Kia. She went inside M&Ms to pay for it on Saturday, Dec. 06, 2014.

3. Jessica waved and spoke to SR while at M&Ms.

4. BB pumped gas into a large container at M&Ms at the same time Jessica was there.

Tying for 5th position is:

5. Jessica was alive while on Herron Road. Jessica was immolated.

6. Judging by the condition of her Kia and lack of rubber tires, an accelerant was used.

7. Jessica's car was removed by a tow truck from the CS approximately one hour after the crime was discovered. A photo of the tow truck carrying Jessica's Kia, while parked at M&Ms, was posted onto Facebook.

8. Jessica was pronounced dead from thermal injury at the Med in Memphis in the early morning hours on Sunday.

 

[ontheclock]

"And of course, I had to say, you know, that was the deal, that was what you get for assaulting, you know?"

Now that is a direct contradiction of what she had just said a few minutes earlier, that it was -not- really an assault, that Jessica had just been acting strangely that week, and had expressed a lot of anger. And yet, Lisa "called the police on her" and they apparently persuaded her to send Jessica to Leah's House in lieu of "pressing charges" -- but for what? Having her arrested for being angry or paranoid, or for acting strangely? When did that become a crime? What LEO would arrest anyone for such a ridiculous accusation?

Based on this one item, I conclude Lisa must not want us to know the real reasons she forced Jessica, against her will, to go to Leah's House.

All JMO.

Snipped and BBM. I agree.

No parent wants to call the cops on their kid. It's usually the last resort. I just can't figure out how this ties into Jessica's murder. Or if it does.

 

[rbarber17]

Snipped and BBM. I agree.

No parent wants to call the cops on their kid. It's usually the last resort. I just can't figure out how this ties into Jessica's murder. Or if it does.

It could tie in if it turns out to prove LD is a prevaricator whenever it suits her needs, and so perhaps has not told LE the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. She might not be involved, but might be protecting someone who was.

I do not accuse her of anything, but I do not trust her either.

JMO

 

[DeDee]

Investigators seek answers in death of burned woman

By Emily Darby Williams and John Howell Sr.

Firefighters at the Courtland Volunteer Fire Department were cleaning up after responding to a house fire Saturday night when they received a call at 8:12 p.m. about a car on fire about a mile away, just outside Courtland corporate limits. A passing motorist had discovered the blazing car near 3448 Herron Road.

The three firefighters immediately remounted their truck and drove to the scene where they found the vehicle still ablaze. Memories of what they found next will likely return in nightmares for the rest of their lives.
“I didn’t see her at first,” one of the firefighters told The Panolian.

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“I called the sheriff’s department immediately, I notified P1 (Panola County Sheriff Dennis Darby), called Med Stat (ambulance) and immediately put Air Evac en route,” the firefighter said.

“I called Pope FD because I knew they were close by,” the Courtland firefighter added.

Jessica Lane Chambers, 19, 1024 Carlisle Road, Courtland was transported by ambulance to the parking lot at the Courtland Baptist Church where a waiting Air Evac helicopter carried her to the Med in Memphis.

http://www.panolian.com/v2/content.aspx?Module=ContentItem&ID=383341&MemberID=1180

 

[ontheclock]

It could tie in if it turns out to prove LD is a prevaricator whenever it suits her needs, and so perhaps has not told LE the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. She might not be involved, but might be protecting someone who was.

I do not accuse her of anything, but I do not trust her either.

JMO

I see your point. I haven't followed the case nearly as much as most of you, so it's hard for me to say much of anything definitive.

It's just my guess that whoever did this to Jessica had a two-fold plan. Shut her up and paybacks. That's a nasty way to die. Perhaps it was a three-fold plan to also use her death as an example of "what not to do". Also guessing it was premeditated.

It's somewhat obvious to me she got involved in something that she couldn't get out of, and therein lies the rub.

How much does mother know? IDK. She is either being evasive or not wanting to go public. She did call LE on her daughter, but that could be a totally irrelevant situation.

I say this having dealt with a rebellious child. No one wants to air their dirty laundry, and family disputes happen more often than murder.

 

[wfgodot]

2. Jessica pumped gas into her black Kia. She went inside M&Ms to pay for it on Saturday, Dec. 06, 2014.

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Do we also agree the information that she purchased $14 instead of her usual "$5 or so" (or "$3 or $4") worth of gas at the M&M, along with cigarettes, is credible?

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/dec/11/mystery-death-mississippi-woman-burned-roadside

http://www.kait8.com/story/27610801...investigators-solve-the-jessica-chambers-case

 

[rbarber17]

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Do we also agree the information that she purchased $14 instead of her usual "$5 or so" (or "$3 or $4") worth of gas at the M&M, along with cigarettes, is credible?

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/dec/11/mystery-death-mississippi-woman-burned-roadside

http://www.kait8.com/story/27610801...investigators-solve-the-jessica-chambers-case

Although you quote two MSM sources, they both quote the same person, Ali, so that in itself does not establish his comments as factual.

However, there would be ways to corroborate his comments: (1) examining the day's cash register receipts for a $14 gas purchase made around that time; (2) timing the actions of Jessica at the pump on the security video, to see if it was noticeably longer than a $4 or $5 couple-of-gallon pit stop would have required; (3) questioning other employees or customers present who might have overheard this exchange.

So I guess I'll accept it as gospel, since I can see no benefit for Ali to lie about something like that, and too many ways for him to be caught (and get in trouble for it) if he did lie.

MOO

 

[wfgodot]

These credibilities tend to paint a different picture of the budding author's actual mindset.

 

[rbarber17]

These credibilities tend to paint a different picture of the budding author's actual mindset.

When folks are trying to help solve a murder, it's best not to mislead them. Counterproductive, IMO.

 

[Batman's Mommy]

I see your point. I haven't followed the case nearly as much as most of you, so it's hard for me to say much of anything definitive.

It's just my guess that whoever did this to Jessica had a two-fold plan. Shut her up and paybacks. That's a nasty way to die. Perhaps it was a three-fold plan to also use her death as an example of "what not to do". Also guessing it was premeditated.

It's somewhat obvious to me she got involved in something that she couldn't get out of, and therein lies the rub.

How much does mother know? IDK. She is either being evasive or not wanting to go public. She did call LE on her daughter, but that could be a totally irrelevant situation.

I say this having dealt with a rebellious child. No one wants to air their dirty laundry, and family disputes happen more often than murder.

IMO, there was a definite message being sent to someone. IMO, it wasn't just to Jessica because of the location of the burning.

I've always wondered what/who else the 911 caller saw.....

Isn't it interesting that in Operation Bite Back, the arrests included gang members from the multiple gangs? IMO, these arrests were the " easy" targets. JMO, these types of events are coordinated, and just one facet of a huge plan while disguising the overall operation. I'd bet the wire taps were buzzing when the warrants were executed. :moo:

 

[Batman's Mommy]

These credibilities tend to paint a different picture of the budding author's actual mindset.

To believe, or not to believe, that is the question...

I think Ali has a lot of reasons to lie. :moo: His associations tell a tale.....

Also, the whole manipulating and not surrendering the unedited security tape...IMMEDIATELY... If he had no reason to lie, why leave the state and his prosperous career endeavor(s)?

 

[carbuff]

Possibly because he wanted to stay alive and was concerned about retaliation from the real guilty parties.

His family owns quite an empire of minimart/gas station/truck stop places. He probably just transferred to another unit.