Found Deceased MT - Rebekah Barsotti 33, & dog (fnd deceased), Town Pump, Superior, Mineral Co, 20 Jul 2021 *Reward

[Zoose]

An excellent video of the river, thru Alberton.
Clark Fork River Whitewater | Alberton Gorge | Missoula, Montana

the main issue for me is the river has extremely inconsistent conditions

there is actually a photosphere on google that shows the river much calmer and kids swimming around the sandbank, i say swimming, they are standing up and the water is like knee height

 

[Steve McQueen]

the main issue for me is the river has extremely inconsistent conditions

there is actually a photosphere on google that shows the river much calmer and kids swimming around the sandbank, i say swimming, they are standing up and the water is like knee height

Alberton Gorge

The Alberton Gorge is a unique portion of the river known for swift deep water and whitewater rapids.

"The Alberton Gorge or “the Gorge,” is a 10-mile section of the Clark Fork River west of Alberton, Montana that extends from Cyr fishing access site (FAS) to Tarkio FAS."

I think the area around the Rocks and preceding the Gorge is calmer and swimmable.

MOO

 

[Zoose]

Alberton Gorge

The Alberton Gorge is a unique portion of the river known for swift deep water and whitewater rapids.

"The Alberton Gorge or “the Gorge,” is a 10-mile section of the Clark Fork River west of Alberton, Montana that extends from Cyr fishing access site (FAS) to Tarkio FAS."

I think the area around the Rocks and preceding the Gorge is calmer and swimmable.

MOO

from what ive seen on youtube is that during bad weather even the section around the rocks can get somewhat feisty

 

[Steve McQueen]

from what ive seen on youtube is that during bad weather even the section around the rocks can get somewhat feisty

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Here are a YouTube video and a photo of the spot where Rebekah and Cerberus went missing. I wouldn't describe it as feisty. I don't believe a large dog would have too much trouble swimming in this area. JMO

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

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Here are a YouTube video and a photo of the spot where Rebekah and Cerberus went missing. I wouldn't describe it as feisty. I don't believe a large dog would have too much trouble swimming in this area. JMO

That water is moving pretty darn fast. I used to take my large dog swimming all the time (100 lbs) and I think he likely would have been swept away in that. MOO

 

[Steve McQueen]

That water is moving pretty darn fast. I used to take my large dog swimming all the time (100 lbs) and I think he likely would have been swept away in that. MOO

Perhaps swept downstream a distance, but probably not drowned. If your dog was swept downstream, would you jump in after him, or would you race down the river bank to find where he came ashore?

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Perhaps swept downstream a distance, but probably not drowned. If your dog was swept downstream, would you jump in after him, or would you race down the river bank to find where he came ashore?

I think it would depend on what it was like downstream as to whether or not he would have drowned. If it was the same or worse and he got too tired and couldn't get to the bank, he may.
I think I would jump in after him without giving it much thought. I think I would have just reacted just as someone might do if it were their child.
And if we arrived there and he was off leash, he would have definitely jumped right in. He loved water and would go in any chance he got. MOO

 

[iamnotagolem]

That water is moving pretty darn fast. I used to take my large dog swimming all the time (100 lbs) and I think he likely would have been swept away in that. MOO

I agree, that water is super fast moving. I wouldn’t let my dog or children go in it, I wouldn’t go in that.

 

[Steve McQueen]

I think it would depend on what it was like downstream as to whether or not he would have drowned. If it was the same or worse and he got too tired and couldn't get to the bank, he may.
I think I would jump in after him without giving it much thought. I think I would have just reacted just as someone might do if it were their child.
And if we arrived there and he was off leash, he would have definitely jumped right in. He loved water and would go in any chance he got. MOO

Google Maps

Thanks for your reply @Psychic Sleuth and also @iamnotagolem

The water is flowing pretty fast as the river narrows at the rocks. However, the above link shows an aerial view of the river that includes the section just past the Rocks
and it seems, not only does the flow appear slower, but there are numerous sandy beach-like landing areas. I expect if Cerberus did get caught in the current he would have found a safe landing area before he exhausted himself. As to whether one would jump in the water after the dog, I guess it would depend on the owner and their estimation of their dog's ability. I have a small dog, but she is a strong swimmer. I am pretty sure I would race downstream expecting that she would eventually make it to shore. But I would also not be critical of someone who would jump in after their dog.

All my own opinion. Enjoying the discussion.

 

[iamnotagolem]

Google Maps

Thanks for your reply @Psychic Sleuth and also @iamnotagolem

The water is flowing pretty fast as the river narrows at the rocks. However, the above link shows an aerial view of the river that includes the section just past the Rocks
and it seems, not only does the flow appear slower, but there are numerous sandy beach-like landing areas. I expect if Cerberus did get caught in the current he would have found a safe landing area before he exhausted himself. As to whether one would jump in the water after the dog, I guess it would depend on the owner and their estimation of their dog's ability. I have a small dog, but she is a strong swimmer. I am pretty sure I would race downstream expecting that she would eventually make it to shore. But I would also not be critical of someone who would jump in after their dog.

All my own opinion. Enjoying the discussion.

I know I probably have an unhealthy attachment to my dog, I’d probably jump in to save her but she also wouldn’t go in the river because she’s not a big fan of swimming but she is a big fan of me. So I think it I was in the river and fell, she would come in for me. I really could see the scenario going either way.

I didn’t realize how quickly moving the area was until you posted the video, so thank you. I kind of assumed because I’ve been through the area a few times and am familiar with other parts of the Clark’s Fork but that really put it all in perspective.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Google Maps

Thanks for your reply @Psychic Sleuth and also @iamnotagolem

The water is flowing pretty fast as the river narrows at the rocks. However, the above link shows an aerial view of the river that includes the section just past the Rocks
and it seems, not only does the flow appear slower, but there are numerous sandy beach-like landing areas. I expect if Cerberus did get caught in the current he would have found a safe landing area before he exhausted himself. As to whether one would jump in the water after the dog, I guess it would depend on the owner and their estimation of their dog's ability. I have a small dog, but she is a strong swimmer. I am pretty sure I would race downstream expecting that she would eventually make it to shore. But I would also not be critical of someone who would jump in after their dog.

All my own opinion. Enjoying the discussion.

If a dog is struggling in the water, they would try to get to the bank as soon as possible. That's just instinct. I think what would cause them to drown would be struggling for a period of time and that time would depend on how good of a swimmer they are, age, weight etc. Just like a person.

 

[laurawlms]

I think it would depend on what it was like downstream as to whether or not he would have drowned. If it was the same or worse and he got too tired and couldn't get to the bank, he may.
I think I would jump in after him without giving it much thought. I think I would have just reacted just as someone might do if it were their child.
And if we arrived there and he was off leash, he would have definitely jumped right in. He loved water and would go in any chance he got. MOO

If you saw your dog in a panicked state and you decided to jump in to assist or rescue, would you take the time to empty your pockets of you debit card, drivers license, etc.?

 

[laurawlms]

This reporter has taken in interest in Rebekah's case.

Who Are These “Life Guards” And How Will They Work With Town Pump To Combat Human Trafficking?

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

If you saw your dog in a panicked state and you decided to jump in to assist or rescue, would you take the time to empty your pockets of you debit card, drivers license, etc.?

Not likely
ETA: I would only do that if they were in my hand. I would drop everything before going in the water.

 

[Steve McQueen]

This reporter has taken in interest in Rebekah's case.

Who Are These “Life Guards” And How Will They Work With Town Pump To Combat Human Trafficking?

Very interesting stuff. Maybe Mr. Mateer would be interested in investigating the relationship between David Barsotti and Mike Toth (if one exists). Uncovering a conflict of interest would be one way of getting the case transferred to a different jurisdiction. MOO

 

[Steve McQueen]

If a dog is struggling in the water, they would try to get to the bank as soon as possible. That's just instinct. I think what would cause them to drown would be struggling for a period of time and that time would depend on how good of a swimmer they are, age, weight etc. Just like a person.

I have been in the situation where my dog got caught in a current. My reaction was to cheer her on and watch to see where on the shore she would try to exit the water. At that point I raced down the shoreline and helped her out of the water. Everyone is different of course, however I don't understand how someone would think that they could catch up to a dog caught in a swift flowing river by jumping in after them. By the time you realize the dog is drifting, they are probably 10 to 15 yards ahead of you downstream.

The other point I was trying to make by posting the aerial photo of the area, was that once through the rapids, which would only take minutes, Cerberus would have found any number of easy exit sites on the other side of the rocks. There would be little chance that he would exhaust himself as the entire trip would take less than 5-10 minutes.

The only scenario I can envision that would even remotely fit with LE's theory of accidental drowning would be if Cerberus made it to and tried to exit at the Rocks themselves. Then I could imagine RB might enter the water to attempt a rescue. I am not sure what the outcome would be in that scenario, but I still doubt that it would result in the drowning of Cerberus. I believe he would still make his way downstream past the rocks. In my experience when a dog finds it difficult to exit the water at one spot, they move to the next and so on. I would think it would take an hour at least to exhaust a dog to the point of drowning. I'm not an expert on dog drownings, JMO.

 

[?!?]

This reporter has taken in interest in Rebekah's case.

Who Are These “Life Guards” And How Will They Work With Town Pump To Combat Human Trafficking?

Explains what that program is about (hopefully the State govt. qualifies as "LE"):

Gov. Gianforte Announces Expansion of Human Trafficking Awareness Campaign, Partnership Between Town Pump and LifeGuard Group (mt.gov)

 

[Zoose]

I think we have to avoid just looking what the river looked like on ONE day though cause it clearly varies depending on season and weather

 

[Steve McQueen]

I think we have to avoid just looking what the river looked like on ONE day though cause it clearly varies depending on season and weather

This is true, however, according to the USG river gauge at Mt. Regis, compared to the rest of the year, the river on July 20th was pretty much at its shallowest and calmest. The raging waters of the Spring were over in June.

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

Mr. Mateer, who describes himself as a citizen journalist, stated in an interview that there might be a link between meth and RB's disappearance. Mr. Mateer, in my opinion, engages in conspiracy theories, of all sorts, nothing in the interview relates to RB's disappearance.
I don't understand why he would think the LifeGuard Group, which is an education, outreach and support program, would have the resources to look for a missing person, so I don't understand the suspicion he casts on them. One person, saying that they as a private citizen showed up for a search, doesn't have to be proved to Mr. Mateer.
LifeGuard makes presentations at High Schools and distributes posters, and has a victim's hotline, amongst other things. From the website: "80% of victims end up back in their trafficker's hands because of the lack of available resources. A victim will return to their pimp/exploiter an average of seven times before she stays out of the life 75% of trafficking survivors noted that housing was the greatest area of need when trying to get out of the sex trade life."
The safehouse, which Mateer describes as suspiciously "too nice", is to provide housing for those wanting to transition out of the sex industry. The TownPump corporation simply made a donation, not the individual gas station in Superior. I don't see the need to throw this program's personnel under the bus because they didn't help with a missing person case.

Gov. Gianforte Announces Expansion of Human Trafficking Awareness Campaign, Partnership Between Town Pump and LifeGuard Group

#511: Missing People, Drug Dealing, MKUltra and Homelessness with Travis Mateer

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