Found Deceased MT - Rebekah Barsotti 33, & dog (fnd deceased), Town Pump, Superior, Mineral Co, 20 Jul 2021 *Reward

[laurawlms]

https://www.krtv.com/news/montana-a...hing-for-answers-about-missing-missoula-woman

I haven't seen this posted. Not much new here, but it helps keep the message out there. From the article:

“We think that that's where she went missing. She's somewhere in the river, you know, we're 99.9% positive,” Sheriff Toth said.

“But with extensive efforts last summer they didn’t find her,” Mastrovito pointed out.

Despite law enforcement’s confidence that Barsotti drowned, Sheriff Toth says his department still follows every credible lead they receive, but he noted it’s a big county, and finding Rebekah is just one of their many responsibilities.

"We have a county that stretches 77 miles on the interstate all the way to the state line. I have six road deputies and then myself and the Undersheriff to handle calls, and you know, we're stretched thin,” Sheriff Toth noted.

Their focus on Barsotti's case is waning while the family's desperation is growing more urgent. So Barsotti’s family has hired their own search and rescue team, which includes an out-of-state, private investigator.

“He works with missing persons, that’s his specialty, it’s not part of what he does, it’s his specialty. And so, the more we talked to him, the more we felt like okay, this is where we need to go. Somebody who can devote 24/7 which is what James Terry said he could do,” Mastrovito explained.

A swarm of experts will search for answers in the river while Terry searches for answers on land. In the coming months, Wings of Hope, Northstar Canine Search and Rescue, Bruce’s Legacy, and a specialized scuba diver will brave the cold Clark Fork River.

You can donate at the Find Rebeka Barosotti website, and anyone with information that could be helpful in Rebekah’s case is asked to call private investigator James Terry at 813-993-2242.

"Despite law enforcement’s confidence that Barsotti drowned, Sheriff Toth says his department still follows every credible lead they receive, but he noted it’s a big county, and finding Rebekah is just one of their many responsibilities.

"We have a county that stretches 77 miles on the interstate all the way to the state line. I have six road deputies and then myself and the Undersheriff to handle calls, and you know, we're stretched thin,” Sheriff Toth noted."

And yet Toth refused to request assistance from DCI or FBI and refused to invite non profit SAR teams in to help search for Rebekah. All of which would have cost them nothing.

 

[laurawlms]

I live in Missoula and there were crazy storms that day, in the surrounding areas as well.

To understand why thunderstorms occur more often during the warm months requires some understanding of thunderstorm basics.

Why are there more thunderstorms during the summer?


July 20th 2021

Weather: Isolated to scattered showers and thunderstorms are expected today. Brief, heavy downpours, lightning, and gusty, erratic winds are possible. Cloud cover and smoke will keep temperatures near

normal. Expect wetter storms tonight through Wednesday, although precipitation may be spotty and isolated. Warmer, drier, and more unstable conditions return by late week.
West Lolo Complex Daily Update, Tuesday, July 20 - InciWeb the Incident Information System

AM consulted with a weather tracker in Alberton about thunder storms, rain etc.. There were no storms in Alberton on July 20, 2021 according to the weather tracker. Where I live there can be a heavy downpour across the street yet the land I stand on remains dry.

 

[laurawlms]

Wings of Hope and Northstar SAR teams have been searching for Rebekah since March 1st.

 

[laurawlms]

From Northstart SAR:

"Northstar Search and Rescue was again requested back to the Clark Fork River in Montana, to assist in search efforts for a missing woman. Northstar will have K9 Teams in Montana for the entire month of March if necessary. Our mutual aide partners Wings of Hope from Wisconsin and K9’s from Team Texas will be assisting in these search efforts. These photos are of Chief Diane Stefanick and K9 Deacon braving the class 4 rapids in our search area. Please keep all of our searchers in your thoughts and prayers as they willingly risk there own safety to try and bring a family closure."

 

[Bit of hope]

"Despite law enforcement’s confidence that Barsotti drowned, Sheriff Toth says his department still follows every credible lead they receive, but he noted it’s a big county, and finding Rebekah is just one of their many responsibilities.

"We have a county that stretches 77 miles on the interstate all the way to the state line. I have six road deputies and then myself and the Undersheriff to handle calls, and you know, we're stretched thin,” Sheriff Toth noted."

And yet Toth refused to request assistance from DCI or FBI and refused to invite non profit SAR teams in to help search for Rebekah. All of which would have cost them nothing.

Hi Laura. Don't think I forgot all about Rebekah and all of you who love her. I thought weeks ago it was said assistance from DCI was "on the way". What happened?

I still have this tiny little voice in me, remembering thing that were said on the first Help Find Rebekah FB site, that's telling me....I don't think her estranged husband did it, but he had help and covered his tracks and been able to "prove" by accomplishes he didn't leave the house. One man said...he can't have done it, because he was with me on the phone all the time. What if this person kept the line open and came down to hurt Rebekah? Telephone records would have shown "contact", but who is to say there actually was somebody else on the other side. Others said: He can't have done it, because he had visitors during that time and pictures were shown that he had a big hole in his foot and couldn't move. This picture could have been old, faked. I wonder if LE pulled up all the telephone interaction of these people. All IMO, just some thoughts.

 

[laurawlms]

Hi Laura. Don't think I forgot all about Rebekah and all of you who love her. I thought weeks ago it was said assistance from DCI was "on the way". What happened?

I still have this tiny little voice in me, remembering thing that were said on the first Help Find Rebekah FB site, that's telling me....I don't think her estranged husband did it, but he had help and covered his tracks and been able to "prove" by accomplishes he didn't leave the house. One man said...he can't have done it, because he was with me on the phone all the time. What if this person kept the line open and came down to hurt Rebekah? Telephone records would have shown "contact", but who is to say there actually was somebody else on the other side. Others said: He can't have done it, because he had visitors during that time and pictures were shown that he had a big hole in his foot and couldn't move. This picture could have been old, faked. I wonder if LE pulled up all the telephone interaction of these people. All IMO, just some thoughts.

Hi Bit of Hope - to my knowledge, AM has not received confirmation of DCI involvement yet. I also remember the comments you are referring to. The one comment claiming to be on the phone with DB was a longtime friend and previous coworker. They worked in an oilfield together. The person that claimed DB had friends over that day was the caretaker that met RB at Town Pump for the exchange of personal items. The person that posted the picture of the hole in DB's foot was also a caretaker. I wondered if the hole in DB's foot was from a "fight" back by RB or Cerberus. The caretaker that met RB is no longer employed by DB. I don't believe she has commented on any posts since after her employment. All of DB's alibis are conveniently in his little circle. Well planned? Possibly.

 

[laurawlms]

Hi Bit of Hope - to my knowledge, AM has not received confirmation of DCI involvement yet. I also remember the comments you are referring to. The one comment claiming to be on the phone with DB was a longtime friend and previous coworker. They worked in an oilfield together. The person that claimed DB had friends over that day was the caretaker that met RB at Town Pump for the exchange of personal items. The person that posted the picture of the hole in DB's foot was also a caretaker. I wondered if the hole in DB's foot was from a "fight" back by RB or Cerberus. The caretaker that met RB is no longer employed by DB. I don't believe she has commented on any posts since after her employment. All of DB's alibis are conveniently in his little circle. Well planned? Possibly.

I want to point out AM reminds me often, we would be no different than LE if we only considered one scenario for RB missing. DB scenario is one of many possible scenarios to consider.

 

[Bit of hope]

I want to point out AM reminds me often, we would be no different than LE if we only considered one scenario for RB missing. DB scenario is one of many possible scenarios to consider.

I agree on that. There is no scenario we can 100% sure of and we have to keep an open mind.

 

[Steve McQueen]

I want to point out AM reminds me often, we would be no different than LE if we only considered one scenario for RB missing. DB scenario is one of many possible scenarios to consider.

AM is absolutely right. She has been such a brilliant advocate for her daughter. I am so impressed with her courage and determination in what has to be the darkest days of her life.

These are the possible scenarios that I can think of. If I have left any out please let me know:

1. Accidental drowning of both RB and Cerberus
2. Abduction of RB and Cerberus by DB with bsequent death of Cerberus and harm to and disappearance of RB.
3. Trafficking of RB at the rest stop (random abduction).
4. RB caught up in drug activity at the rest stop.
5. RB commits self harm by drowning.
6. RB disappears voluntarily.

Of these six possible scenarios, it is my opinion that we can rule out all but the first two. I say this because there would be no reason for Cerberus to be found dead in the river in the last four scenarios. Why would a random abductor bother with her dog. Suicide victims generally make sure their pets are taken care of before taking they're own life. And if she disappeared voluntarily of course she would take Cerberus with her.

I think the reason myself and others have been concentrating on scenarios that involve DB, is that LE has seemed to ignore this possibility completely. While I question the reasoning behind the accidental drowning scenario, I would agree it is a viable possibility. I think we all would like LE to be a little more open minded. If DB has an ironclad alibi, then LE or his attorney should come forward with it. By hiding the facts from the public they are only giving fuel to the conspiracy theories involving DB.

 

[iamnotagolem]

AM is absolutely right. She has been such a brilliant advocate for her daughter. I am so impressed with her courage and determination in what has to be the darkest days of her life.

These are the possible scenarios that I can think of. If I have left any out please let me know:

1. Accidental drowning of both RB and Cerberus
2. Abduction of RB and Cerberus by DB with bsequent death of Cerberus and harm to and disappearance of RB.
3. Trafficking of RB at the rest stop (random abduction).
4. RB caught up in drug activity at the rest stop.
5. RB commits self harm by drowning.
6. RB disappears voluntarily.

Of these six possible scenarios, it is my opinion that we can rule out all but the first two. I say this because there would be no reason for Cerberus to be found dead in the river in the last four scenarios. Why would a random abductor bother with her dog. Suicide victims generally make sure their pets are taken care of before taking they're own life. And if she disappeared voluntarily of course she would take Cerberus with her.

I think the reason myself and others have been concentrating on scenarios that involve DB, is that LE has seemed to ignore this possibility completely. While I question the reasoning behind the accidental drowning scenario, I would agree it is a viable possibility. I think we all would like LE to be a little more open minded. If DB has an ironclad alibi, then LE or his attorney should come forward with it. By hiding the facts from the public they are only giving fuel to the conspiracy theories involving DB.

I have considered number 6, do we know beyond a reasonable doubt that the dead dog was Cerberus? If she truly wanted to make everyone believe she drowned in the river with her dog, getting the corpse of another dog and putting Cerberus collar on it is pretty genius.

But I digress, Occam’s razor points to #1 as being what happened. Number 2 with a massive conspiracy involving a lot of people could potentially be what happened.

 

[Steve McQueen]

I have considered number 6, do we know beyond a reasonable doubt that the dead dog was Cerberus? If she truly wanted to make everyone believe she drowned in the river with her dog, getting the corpse of another dog and putting Cerberus collar on it is pretty genius.

But I digress, Occam’s razor points to #1 as being what happened. Number 2 with a massive conspiracy involving a lot of people could potentially be what happened.

For me, it's 50/50 between scenario #1 and #2. It depends on DB's alibi, but I don't think scenario #2 requires a massive conspiracy. All that would be needed is one super loyal caretaker. Obviously MOO

 

[Gina20]

I believe Rebekah was abducted from the gas station sometime after she last reported to work. She was lured there, but didn't get far, and that she met her demise soon after.

It is my working theory that local people were watching her. No one would notice a regular customer at that gas station. It had to be that location because they were known there.

Rebekah could not overpower a strong man, IMO, but one man could not overpower a woman and her strong dog. So two or more were her abductors, but others helped in other ways, before and after.

<modsnip>

These are people who don't think like Joe Average, so finding Rebekah will require thinking like they do. I believe they live in a closed circle, where nobody questions orders.

I'll leave it here for now.

 

[Gina20]

I believe Rebekah was abducted from the gas station sometime after she last reported to work. She was lured there, but didn't get far, and that she met her demise soon after.

It is my working theory that local people were watching her. No one would notice a regular customer at that gas station. It had to be be that location because they were known there.
Rebekah could not overpower a strong man, IMO, but one man could not overpower a woman and her strong dog. So two or more were her abductors, but others helped in other ways.

<modsnip>

These are people who don't think like Joe Average, so finding Rebekah will require thinking like they do. I believe they live in a closed circle, where nobody questions orders.

I'll leave it here for now.

One more thing: I believe Rebekah is nearby, where they can keep a close eye on her.

 

[Gina20]

I think we have been very close to the answers all along. Look for disturbed ground in the spring. Their intention might be to place her in the water when the ground has thawed, as some sort of cleansing or baptism.

 

[Laughing]

I think we have been very close to the answers all along. Look for disturbed ground in the spring. Their intention might be to place her in the water when the ground has thawed, as some sort of cleansing or baptism.

IDK about cleansing or baptism. Placing her body in the river after the ground thaws paves the way for 'see, she drowned in that river, because her body is in that river today.'

People do things that others cannot comprehend....

jmho ymmv lrr

 

[Gina20]

IDK about cleansing or baptism. Placing her body in the river after the ground thaws paves the way for 'see, she drowned in that river, because her body is in that river today.'

People do things that others cannot comprehend....

jmho ymmv lrr

Maybe both. Either way, DNA evidence won't survive.

People do things that are incomprehensible to anyone with a conscience. I think the people who did this use groupthink to absolve themselves. Sooner or later, it might eat away at one of them in a time of vulnerability. Not all secrets can be hidden forever. Some destroy the secret-keepers.

I'm still not convinced that the date of Rebekah's disappearance is correct.

 

[QueenieB]

I agree with previous assessments of this situation. I agree she either never made it out of Superior that day, because something immediately happens after the Town Pump meet up, OR if she did make it to the Alberton Rock,she never made it back to her car at the parking area attached MM72 where she parked. When she got out of her car with the dog maybe she went down to the river , but she never made it back to her vehicle. I believe she is not meant to be found, NOW , and maybe ever. I must say whether she magically shows up in the river after this search, on the river, they have already searched, or places outside the riverotherwise, which by the way have not been searched.
I believe RB has been "meant" to be classified as missing from the get go, and only will be found, if and only if, mistakes have been made by the perp. I agree that she is nearby. But for all you all researching this, I can tell you if you don't live in MT, it may be hard to understand CLOSE means within a day round trip here in MT . Mt is SO incredibly large that you can drive 6 hours in daylight, have time for 2+ hours of whatever nefarious activities is necessary, then drive back home in 6 hours and actually arrive before dark in the summer in MT. This state is enormous and so far North most people don't undertand that in the summer it is light here from 4:30/ 5 am till 11 pm and that MT has vast unpopulated areas between towns.

 

[Gina20]

I agree with previous assessments of this situation. I agree she either never made it out of Superior that day, because something immediately happens after the Town Pump meet up, OR if she did make it to the Alberton Rock,she never made it back to her car at the parking area attached MM72 where she parked. When she got out of her car with the dog maybe she went down to the river , but she never made it back to her vehicle. I believe she is not meant to be found, NOW , and maybe ever. I must say whether she magically shows up in the river after this search, on the river, they have already searched, or places outside the riverotherwise, which by the way have not been searched.
I believe RB has been "meant" to be classified as missing from the get go, and only will be found, if and only if, mistakes have been made by the perp. I agree that she is nearby. But for all you all researching this, I can tell you if you don't live in MT, it may be hard to understand CLOSE means within a day round trip here in MT . Mt is SO incredibly large that you can drive 6 hours in daylight, have time for 2+ hours of whatever nefarious activities is necessary, then drive back home in 6 hours and actually arrive before dark in the summer in MT. This state is enormous and so far North most people don't undertand that in the summer it is light here from 4:30/ 5 am till 11 pm and that MT has vast unpopulated areas between towns.

Oh, sure. I understand. I've lived in a vast place where it's twilight all night long in the summer. But people don't go everywhere. People have habits. And humans can be their own worst enemies.

 

[Gina20]

I am always amazed at the innate ability of dogs, even your average family pet, to help find humans and human remains. One case I've followed here on WS for more than a decade is just such a case. A person and a dog out walking found her remains hidden near a rural road, less than a week after she went missing.

I hope that everyone in and near Superior, Montana keeps that in mind this spring. If your dog seems keenly interested in following a scent, maybe there's a reason. Wherever you are, out for a morning stroll near home or on a hike, please keep your eyes open and follow your dog's lead. They know what they are doing. Dogs can also find humans after time has passed.

How did cadaver dogs detect Bucks County bodies 12 feet underground?

 

[Gina20]

In the course of my research, I learned that Montana allows burials on private property. So be cautious if you're out walking your dog and the dog picks up a scent. Home burials are legal in Montana, although subject to local rules.

Burial and Cremation Laws in Montana