Found Deceased MT - Rita Maze, 47, Wolf Creek, 6 Sept 2016 #1

[DatelineFan]

I just find it hard to believe the FBI would keep a suicide case open so the family won't feel bad or so they can collect insurance money.

They wouldn't, I don't think. They're being thorough.

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[AceDetective]

They wouldn't, I don't think. They're being thorough.

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Exactly. They originally said they would have further info for last Monday, but they pushed it to later in the week. It is obviously taking longer to conclude their investigation than they thought. Before they publically announce something, they will want to chase down every lead. They could also be waiting for the results of forensics. There is no way they want to announce something, and then later on find out something that contradicts what they said. I suspect we'll have an announcement by the end of the week.

 

[Inthedetails]

Exactly. They originally said they would have further info for last Monday, but they pushed it to later in the week. It is obviously taking longer to conclude their investigation than they thought. Before they publically announce something, they will want to chase down every lead. They could also be waiting for the results of forensics. There is no way they want to announce something, and then later on find out something that contradicts what they said. I suspect we'll have an announcement by the end of the week.

I think it might take a bit longer.

I'm guessing they know by now the trajectory of the gunshots and whether or not Rita had residue on her hand. Perhaps they are still working on the videos and credit-card use (though I think that is probably close to being wrapped up too).

However, I think they are going to wait for tox reports to determine if she had anything in her system. They are going to make sure they have looked at every angle and investigated everything they can before making an announcement. I'm glad they are being so thorough.

It's better to wait and do it correctly than say something too soon that is inaccurate.

jmo

 

[GigTu]

Did Rita make the 6'5" height statement or is that assumed?

 

[Gardener1850]

Did Rita make the 6'5" height statement or is that assumed?

AFAIK, we have not had any direct quotes of what Rita said on the phone with police or her family. The descriptions all came to us second hand from her family or from LE. I'm really surprised that despite her reportedly having multiple conversations with LE we have not heard any recordings or even heard if a recording exists. Usually persistent press gets the audio of the call a day or two after something like this.

All that to say, she could have just estimated how much taller than her he appeared and LE added to her known height to guess his height...The first quotes were just that he was a "massive" or "large" man.

 

[SophieRose]

Did Rita make the 6'5" height statement or is that assumed?

Kaufmann is her cousin.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-trunk-car-Washington-gas-station-killer.html

At around 10.25pm, she called him [Robert] and said she was in the trunk of her car,’ said Kaufmann. ‘She was totally hysterical.

‘She said a big guy – she compared him to her brother who is 6ft 5” – had hit her over the head and put her in the trunk.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

Kaufmann is her cousin.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-trunk-car-Washington-gas-station-killer.html

At around 10.25pm, she called him [Robert] and said she was in the trunk of her car,’ said Kaufmann. ‘She was totally hysterical.

‘She said a big guy – she compared him to her brother who is 6ft 5” – had hit her over the head and put her in the trunk.

It's difficult for me to believe anything that Daily Mail article says. They got the man in the surveillance video wrong and that's a big deal IMO. I have to wonder what else they got wrong.

 

[AceDetective]

Did Rita make the 6'5" height statement or is that assumed?

The 6'5 thing was reported from the very beginning. For example, from KREM:

"Rochelle said her mother described the man as being large, of maybe African American or Native American descent, was about 6’5” tall and was wearing a black hoodie."

The police have not said this, so it's possible based on what we know at this point that the family made it up.

Edited to add: I suppose I should add that there is no reason to doubt the family. I believe them. Merely stating that based on official sources this is not an established fact.

 

[GigTu]

Did Rita make the 6'5" height statement or is that assumed?

Kaufmann is her cousin.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-trunk-car-Washington-gas-station-killer.html

At around 10.25pm, she called him [Robert] and said she was in the trunk of her car,’ said Kaufmann. ‘She was totally hysterical.

‘She said a big guy – she compared him to her brother who is 6ft 5” – had hit her over the head and put her in the trunk.

The 6'5 thing was reported from the very beginning. For example, from KREM:

"Rochelle said her mother described the man as being large, of maybe African American or Native American descent, was about 6’5” tall and was wearing a black hoodie."

The police have not said this, so it's possible based on what we know at this point that the family made it up.

Edited to add: I suppose I should add that there is no reason to doubt the family. I believe them. Merely stating that based on official sources this is not an established fact.

I guess I'm wondering if Rita said 6'5" or if she said "big like brother" and the family came up with the number.

I only ask because she was hysterical and IF there is a killer out there she may have mis-remembered a little because she was being overpowered the last time she saw him.

I am anxious to hear from the FBI.

 

[CARIIS]

Anyone know if she was deeply religious?

Way behind story but what would result in someone going to such legnths to "hide" a sucide, religion?

Not wanting her daughter to ever know??

Gonna kill myself - want my daughter to have my life insurance?

ANy inheritance?

Just learned timeline -- that sure is quick for everything to go down.

In this day and age what killer would not take away ones cell phone?

Any head wounds? again behind sorry if already done 1247 posts well ................

Oh my god, I would not stop there place just creepy.

 

[CARIIS]

I dont recall any kidnapped folks being able to make calls , after being clobbered on the head, to family members, cops, forensics also should be able to clear this up I would think??

 

[CARIIS]

Upcoming birthday can be meaningful in terms of suicide ----maybe?

 

[CARIIS]

Two shots were heard over a cell phone call between Maze and police.

Did the conversation continue after the shots?

 

[Inthedetails]

Did the conversation continue after the shots?

No, the officer heard two shots and then silence.

Nice to have you here, Cariis.

 

[CARIIS]

Would a person be able to fire again after being hit the first time?



Suicide

10th leading casue of dealth

42000+ yr

25 attempt to each (one) successful completion

Whites and the second highest rate (10.9) was among American Indians and Alaska Natives (Figure 5). Much lower and roughly similar rates were found among Hispanics (6.3), Asians and Pacific Islanders (5.9), and Blacks (5.5). 7 out 10 white male (what hit me here was AA and religion just moo)

highest suicide rate (19.3) was among people 85 years or older. The second highest rate (19.2) occurred in those between 45 and 64 years of age. Younger groups have had consistently lower suicide rates than middle-aged







firearms are generally in head region. When such awound is found at other site an eyebrow of suspicion is raised
Shooting by a firearm is the mostcommon method of suicides in males

Abstract

That males have higher suicide rates than females is one of the most empirically documented social facts in suicidology, ........... wound site or the area of the body that is wounded in firearm suicides

. Males may have a higher suicide rate, in part, due to their greater likelihood than women for shooting themselves in the head as opposed to the body.

This has been related to gender differences in fear of facial disfigurement and suicide intent. ............ gunshot to the head vs. gunshot to the body.


determined that women were 47% less apt than men to shoot themselves in the head.

Further analysis determined that women were less apt than men to use shotguns and rifles in their suicides (weapons that make head shooting more awkward).

The findings are consistent with the notion that women are more concerned than men with facial disfigurement, and that women have a lower desire to die than men.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19298146

https://afsp.org/about-suicide/suicide-statistics/

 

[CARIIS]

No, the officer heard two shots and then silence.

Nice to have you here, Cariis.

Ty --nice to have you here a well. So you did it on Austin, get causght up, seems so daunting to me ! I shall plow along!

The police have repeatedly said that they do not believe there is a threat to public safety. That's their way of saying this was not random. Therefore, according to police, there are only two possibilities at this point:
1. It was suicide.
2. It was perpetrated by someone who knew her.

Also, since there seems to still be so much confusion, let me clarify:

There is currently no valid public information of any man using Rita's credit card. All previous claims trace back to a single convenience store clerk who turned out to be mistaken.

What little I know I dont get "random" either. Out in the boon docks, one would I would guess, feel ok with holding a gun on her while she drives. For some reason the clobbering on the head seems up close personal , has medical examiner confirmed that there was a head injury/ Severity? Self inflicted vs a intnese blow to the head? That to me would seem like VERY important notion in terms of ruling in or out suicide no?

If head wound was self inflicted I dont think it would be to cover up a sucide, she would know that she planned on shooting herself in torso. Suicides are rarely random (drugs not so much) they are thought out, ruminated over , typically, for years, and the primary reason they occur hen they do is the person has reached the point to cave in to the craving to cease feeling as they have been for years moo

 

[CARIIS]

So I visualize being on my back in my trunk, after being clobbered in the head . I am on the phone with the LE. Sounds as if the car was the type that you opened from inside. Or to put it another way , one would hear a click, and then there would be a pause in time before the person could actually get back to the trunk.

For me,I would state something, it seems, like oh my god hes coming the trunk just unlocked. It also seems as if LE would have heard the trunk "pop". It does make noise , and in the trunk one wouuld pretty close to the meachanism that makes the noise.

Brain wise i would think in darkness (limited visual input would result in auditory acuity increasing. I thought of Pulse, lots of callers who were behind toilet walls were able to report he is coming , he is here, he just left etc

Hyper aware hearing wise

The daughter said there was no pump footage anywhere on the route "The gas stations did not have cameras at the pumps. I do know that. So no, they dont." She was saying "no they don't" in response to there being any footage along the route "That person must be on video somewhere."

In this day and age someone stating there is no camera coverage, would pretty incredulous to me

jut mo

As i learn more, it really does kinda "feel" as if she watched Dateline a lot, like some of us !! and was leaving a trail....................anyone know off top of head how many miles/minutes apart the two credit card swipes? It also struck me that all reprots specifically mention gas purchase on one swipe of the card, but very vague on the other swipe. While watching some new clip I kept waiting to hear "reason" for second stop and none of them answered the question?

Trying to get home , drive ahead of you, both look like they are pretty standard 7-11's. It they were close to each other in a way it does not make sense- dont you guys wanna get home, and would consolate a visit so you dont have to stop for as long as poss - I do.

Do most of you stop at an even number at the gas pump - i just let it roll till it stops? $25 even- ?

 

[Doghairrules]

I dont recall any kidnapped folks being able to make calls , after being clobbered on the head, to family members, cops, forensics also should be able to clear this up I would think??

There was that one case in Florida - the detective's daughter? She was killed before they could find her. [emoji22]


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[keeponsearching]

There was that one case in Florida - the detective's daughter? She was killed before they could find her. [emoji22]


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Yes Denise Amber Lee, Horrifying case. She called 911 using the perps cell.

 

[GigTu]

I asked before but I think my thoughts got lost inside other comments.

Is it stated anywhere how much time it was between shots?

Also, was the phone silent but connected after the shots, or was the call disconnected causing silence after the shots?