Found Deceased MT - Rita Maze, 47, Wolf Creek, 6 Sept 2016 #1

[keeponsearching]

I asked before but I think my thoughts got lost inside other comments.

Is it stated anywhere how much time it was between shots?

Also, was the phone silent but connected after the shots, or was the call disconnected causing silence after the shots?

I haven't seen an answer to any of your questions :/ I wonder if we will get an update today.

 

[GigTu]

This story is frightening, tragic and sad regardless of outcome.

 

[ninij9]

OK CARIIS, what you said about if LE heard trunk latch sound over phone, or if she heard trunk beginning to open before the shots are heard is really haunting me. Because you are so right, wouldn't she have panicked, hearing it opening? It sounds like she was talking then boom boom.

God, how sad would it be if she were in trunk and staged this. How awful and lonely. How disturbing.

I wish they would let us know for sure if she was alone, or if she was indeed murdered.

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[Blondie in Spokane]

OK CARIIS, what you said about if LE heard trunk latch sound over phone, or if she heard trunk beginning to open before the shots are heard is really haunting me. Because you are so right, wouldn't she have panicked, hearing it opening? It sounds like she was talking then boom boom.

God, how sad would it be if she were in trunk and staged this. How awful and lonely. How disturbing.

I wish they would let us know for sure if she was alone, or if she was indeed murdered.

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BBM.....really good point.

 

[ninij9]

BBM.....really good point.

Credit goes to CARIIS. I hadn't even thought about it until now.

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[AceDetective]

According to court documents filed for the search warrant, "An officer called that phone number and heard gunshots and then nothing." It sounds to me like there was no conversation at all during that call.

What is BBM? Seen that quite a few times on this forum...

 

[Doghairrules]

According to court documents filed for the search warrant, "An officer called that phone number and heard gunshots and then nothing." It sounds to me like there was no conversation at all during that call.

What is BBM? Seen that quite a few times on this forum...

BBM = Bolded By Me


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[Inthedetails]

Ty --nice to have you here a well. So you did it on Austin, get causght up, seems so daunting to me ! I shall plow along!

Off-topic: I did catch up on that case - it took me several hours over two days, but in the end, it was so disturbing that I haven't checked back in since. Eek...didn't like it!

On-topic: Rita's case really captures me. I wish she had made it through that day and lived to see another.

jmo

 

[Inthedetails]

OK CARIIS, what you said about if LE heard trunk latch sound over phone, or if she heard trunk beginning to open before the shots are heard is really haunting me. Because you are so right, wouldn't she have panicked, hearing it opening? It sounds like she was talking then boom boom.

God, how sad would it be if she were in trunk and staged this. How awful and lonely. How disturbing.

I wish they would let us know for sure if she was alone, or if she was indeed murdered.

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Yes, very good point. I had been concerned about the lack of hearing trunk lid slam shut that I didn't think there wasn't a sound of a trunk opening either. The silence surrounding the gunshots while the officer was on the phone does sound like she was in the trunk, with it closed, and alone at the scene.

jmopinion

 

[Tillicum]

According to court documents filed for the search warrant, "An officer called that phone number and heard gunshots and then nothing." It sounds to me like there was no conversation at all during that call.

What is BBM? Seen that quite a few times on this forum...

In this video the sheriff said they had "conversations" with her. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...killed-single-gunshot-wound-article-1.2783793

 

[DianaElaine]

So apparently we're not going to hear anything from LE or FBI this week.

So wish we would!

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[jjenny]

I dont recall any kidnapped folks being able to make calls , after being clobbered on the head, to family members, cops, forensics also should be able to clear this up I would think??

There is a thread going on on this very scenario so it can happen.

"The woman said in the call obtained by CBS affiliate WOIO that she had been tied up, but partly freed herself in a bedroom to make the call from her captor’s phone while he was asleep in the same room. She is heard whispering to a dispatcher, terrified that she will wake him up."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/911-cal...ads-to-discovery-of-three-bodies-shawn-grate/

 

[AceDetective]

In this video the sheriff said they had "conversations" with her. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...killed-single-gunshot-wound-article-1.2783793

Yes, he does say that LE had multiple conversations with her, from that office, so I guess he would know.

However, that doesn't mean there was a conversation on the last call. We don't know either way at this point.

I don't know... if there was some sort of communication during that call, doesn't it seem like the court documents would mention it? "An officer called that phone number and heard gunshots and then nothing." It seems like a pretty big detail to leave out.

 

[eucalyptuz]

There is a thread going on on this very scenario so it can happen.

"The woman said in the call obtained by CBS affiliate WOIO that she had been tied up, but partly freed herself in a bedroom to make the call from her captor’s phone while he was asleep in the same room. She is heard whispering to a dispatcher, terrified that she will wake him up."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/911-cal...ads-to-discovery-of-three-bodies-shawn-grate/

I guess the sheriff's/911-operator's instincts are very valid. In the case Jjenny references here, the 911 operator seems a bit incredulous at first but soon realizes how 'real' the situation is. In the current climate of police-public relations, I think the 911 operators have to be incredibly cautious to prevent responding officers from walking in to set-ups etc, while at the same time suspending disbelieve and giving the caller support if necessary. I'm not sure if the public will ever hear the 911 calls in this case, but I am assuming that something doesn't ring true for LE for them to even hint at a scenario that differs from the dead victim's account.

 

[Kpossible]

Good point. They'll officially keep it open until the evidence comes back from the lab though.

 

[Indy Anna]

What if the abductor (assuming there was one) had stopped and opened the trunk just before the call came in; in a fit of rage realizing Rita was still alive and had a phone with her, he shot her. Again, wondering how long LE stayed on line after the shots. They would stay on the line until they located the car, right? But, when the shots were followed by "nothing," does that mean the call was still connected, with dead air, or does that mean the call disconnected? I don't think we have the answer yet. If the call disconnected, it could be because Rita was holding the phone and then dropped it when she was shot - disconnecting the battery - or because her abductor grabbed the phone and hung up (then closed the trunk afterwards). More details about that call and the sequence of events will provide a clue to what really happened, combined with forensics and ballistics evidence.

 

[Kpossible]

What if the abductor (assuming there was one) had stopped and opened the trunk just before the call came in; in a fit of rage realizing Rita was still alive and had a phone with her, he shot her. Again, wondering how long LE stayed on line after the shots. They would stay on the line until they located the car, right? But, when the shots were followed by "nothing," does that mean the call was still connected, with dead air, or does that mean the call disconnected? I don't think we have the answer yet. If the call disconnected, it could be because Rita was holding the phone and then dropped it when she was shot - disconnecting the battery - or because her abductor grabbed the phone and hung up (then closed the trunk afterwards). More details about that call and the sequence of events will provide a clue to what really happened, combined with forensics and ballistics evidence.

I see your train of thought but that all seems incredibly far fetched to me. Why would he shoot her BEFORE he disconnected the call? Opening the trunk, the first natural reaction would be to grab the phone. Hell, why would he even put her in the trunk at all? He clearly wasn't trying to rob her.

Occam's razor for sure.

 

[CARIIS]

OK CARIIS, what you said about if LE heard trunk latch sound over phone, or if she heard trunk beginning to open before the shots are heard is really haunting me. Because you are so right, wouldn't she have panicked, hearing it opening? It sounds like she was talking then boom boom.

God, how sad would it be if she were in trunk and staged this. How awful and lonely. How disturbing.

I wish they would let us know for sure if she was alone, or if she was indeed murdered.

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I so agree my dear. I am visual- there is no way on earth if I am in that position and hear it pop I would freak and tell WHOever I am on the phone with he is coming oh god he is coming

the way it sounds now she just kept chatting away then bang bang makes NO sense at all- It ads a real insight into how depresed this individual had to have been for so long. To go through attempting to make you suiide look like kidnap murder - screenwriters takes years to write a plausible story.............................

I think LE knows everything - but its weird and not ok - I keep thinking like they just dont want to hurt the family - but that is not their job, sorry. THey have to do their job. Ones arm is only so long - I would think forneisics as far as bullet trajectory goes would pretty well tell the story.

SO far the only thing that gives me pause is can someone (I am talking purly about pain!) be able to shoot themselves in the stomach , not cramp over or something from pain , and then shoot themslefs in the heart??

I would have to think tummy first for similiar reasons if that makes sense - can you shoot your heart at close range and be alive enough to then shoot yourself in the tummy?

But then a lot of you go to targeted, and in a lot of ways THAT actually sounds more credible than suicide- so now we are at who out of the family benefits from her death - we need insurance and financial info -- were they struggling? Was the marriage happy? Substance abuse? etc etc Affair?

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IMO the only angle that makes no sense is a kidnapping and murder!! Last out of the three main options MOO!

 

[Inthedetails]

I so agree my dear. I am visual- there is no way on earth if I am in that position and hear it pop I would freak and tell WHOever I am on the phone with he is coming oh god he is coming

the way it sounds now she just kept chatting away then bang bang makes NO sense at all- It ads a real insight into how depresed this individual had to have been for so long. To go through attempting to make you suiide look like kidnap murder - screenwriters takes years to write a plausible story.............................

I think LE knows everything - but its weird and not ok - I keep thinking like they just dont want to hurt the family - but that is not their job, sorry. THey have to do their job. Ones arm is only so long - I would think forneisics as far as bullet trajectory goes would pretty well tell the story.

SO far the only thing that gives me pause is can someone (I am talking purly about pain!) be able to shoot themselves in the stomach , not cramp over or something from pain , and then shoot themslefs in the heart??

I would have to think tummy first for similiar reasons if that makes sense - can you shoot your heart at close range and be alive enough to then shoot yourself in the tummy?

But then a lot of you go to targeted, and in a lot of ways THAT actually sounds more credible than suicide- so now we are at who out of the family benefits from her death - we need insurance and financial info -- were they struggling? Was the marriage happy? Substance abuse? etc etc Affair?

If anyone has info would ya PM , I respect we cant slueth vistims while at the same time we all know ,lots than we are allowed to post. Am so behind om this story - need a psyco-social!! Family dynamics!

IMO the only angle that makes no sense is a kidnapping and murder!! Last out of the three main options MOO!

I think the first shot missed completely and it's the second shot only that killed her.

Her cause of death was one gun shot to the heart & abdomen - the bullet must have traveled in the body and did damage on its path.

There is not definite word on the other gun shot - we don't know if it hit her or not. But since the officer didn't hear a scream or moan, I'm guessing the first shot didn't hit anything other than something inside the car.

jmopinion

 

[CARIIS]

According to court documents filed for the search warrant, "An officer called that phone number and heard gunshots and then nothing." It sounds to me like there was no conversation at all during that call.

What is BBM? Seen that quite a few times on this forum...

Oh brother, that makes everything more confusing

Yes, very good point. I had been concerned about the lack of hearing trunk lid slam shut that I didn't think there wasn't a sound of a trunk opening either. The silence surrounding the gunshots while the officer was on the phone does sound like she was in the trunk, with it closed, and alone at the scene.

jmopinion

THe info above IMO makes it sound more self inflicted - what are the odds of some cop somewhere , dialing someones cell number, it is answered , and you hear two shots- sound coregraphed to me??

On the Shawn case I did not like the dispatcher at all - she sounds like she does not beleive her. Scary tho