Muslims attack "gay" model in Amsterdam!

[blaize]

But how has he gotten the amazing support that he has then? I'm fascinated by the phenomena because I thought he had a slim chance at the beginning but that Hilary would get the nomination because she's better known and has a higher political profile.

I think we usually know who the someone behind the candidates is though. Not this dude. It wasn't the democrats that's for sure. Hill was their girl. Someone slipped Obama by the Dems.

 

[Karole28]

The same way as I'd explain the multiple wives and sex slaves in the bible?

Your statement was that men misinterpreted Sharia law. I'm saying it IS the law, and they're misinterpreting nothing where women and sex are concerned.

Which is it?

 

[absinthe]

Let's point out that not all Muslim-majority countries use Sharia law in criminal and civil courts.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

But how has he gotten the amazing support that he has then? I'm fascinated by the phenomena because I thought he had a slim chance at the beginning but that Hilary would get the nomination because she's better known and has a higher political profile.

Its the koolaid phenomena

 

[Karole28]

Let's point out that not all Muslim-majority countries use Sharia law in criminal and civil courts.

Recognized.

However, there are some who'd like to see it implemented here.

and, I'd die first.

 

[absinthe]

Recognized.

However, there are some who'd like to see it implemented here.

and, I'd die first.

Well, I would too! Do you really think that that's a possibility?

 

[Rino]

Let's point out that not all Muslim-majority countries use Sharia law in criminal and civil courts.

Right. But there is a dangerous faction that wants them to, not to mention the entire planet.

 

[Karole28]

Well, I would too! Do you really think that that's a possibility?

I'm using the UK and Paris as the canary in the mine.

It's not looking good.

 

[absinthe]

Right. But there is a dangerous faction that wants them to, not to mention the entire planet.

There is and that's scary. But I think it's not feasible, with the exception of Iraq.

 

[absinthe]

I'm using the UK and Paris as the canary in the mine.

It's not looking good.

So what would you suggest we do? Really? I'm asking cause I don't have a clear answer myself.

 

[blaize]

Sorry I'm missing your point Karole.
All I can say is that Sharia law is not the be all and end all of the Islamic religion. If they're not misinterpreting the law how do you explain the years before radical Islam began enforcing such traditions?

I know about honour killings and honour prices and some of the rest of it but that's based in tradition rather than having a solid basis in law.

If I'm missing the point you're making then that's my error Karole but I'm trying to make the real distinction between radical and tolerant mainstream Muslims. If mainstream Muslims are not supported I ask how you see anything good coming out of the war in Iraq where the majority are Muslims and will still be Muslims when the war eventually ends?

Your statement was that men misinterpreted Sharia law. I'm saying it IS the law, and they're misinterpreting nothing where women and sex are concerned.

Which is it?

 

[blaize]

I'm with you there.

Recognized.

However, there are some who'd like to see it implemented here.

and, I'd die first.

 

[Karole28]

So what would you suggest we do? Really? I'm asking cause I don't have a clear answer myself.

We need to not be so afraid of being PC and hurting feelings. We need to shut down any publicly funded schools who are Islam-centric. We need to closely monitor settlements like Islamburg and mosques where people are prohibited from taking pictures on the street or G*d forbid entering. We need to educate Muslim women to western law and western freedom and encourage them to stand up for themselves and offer them protection when they do (very publicly).

After that, I dunno. I'm thinking.

 

[blaize]

Oh you and your koolaid lol.

Its the koolaid phenomena

 

[Rino]

Blaize I don't know where anyone does not support main stream Muslim.

I so see that whenever the radicals act out poorly so many decide to make sure to point out that there are peaceful Muslims too.

I don't think that really serves any purpose other than to try to pigion hole some into appearing less tolerant.

 

[absinthe]

We need to not be so afraid of being PC and hurting feelings. We need to shut down any publicly funded schools who are Islam-centric. We need to closely monitor settlements like Islamburg and mosques where people are prohibited from taking pictures on the street or G*d forbid entering. We need to educate Muslim women to western law and western freedom and encourage them to stand up for themselves and offer them protection when they do (very publicly).

After that, I dunno. I'm thinking.

In the U.S., you mean?

 

[philamena]

They went to make trouble and get free press.

blaize,
That's exactly right.:furious:

 

[blaize]

I happen to agree with you about education, support & protection. I think those are the most important things we can do for any woman in a situation where she is likely to be hurt, abused or murdered.

We need to not be so afraid of being PC and hurting feelings. We need to shut down any publicly funded schools who are Islam-centric. We need to closely monitor settlements like Islamburg and mosques where people are prohibited from taking pictures on the street or G*d forbid entering. We need to educate Muslim women to western law and western freedom and encourage them to stand up for themselves and offer them protection when they do (very publicly).

After that, I dunno. I'm thinking.

 

[Karole28]

Sorry I'm missing your point Karole.
All I can say is that Sharia law is not the be all and end all of the Islamic religion. If they're not misinterpreting the law how do you explain the years before radical Islam began enforcing such traditions?

I know about honour killings and honour prices and some of the rest of it but that's based in tradition rather than having a solid basis in law.

If I'm missing the point you're making then that's my error Karole but I'm trying to make the real distinction between radical and tolerant mainstream Muslims. If mainstream Muslims are not supported I ask how you see anything good coming out of the war in Iraq where the majority are Muslims and will still be Muslims when the war eventually ends?

I've said before and I'll say again. Mainstream Muslims do deserve support and should never have any fear of their colleagues for condemning barbaric practices and outright terrorism.

Regarding Sharia law vs Koranic:

Sharia is often referred to as Islamic law, but this is wrong, as only a small part is irrefutably based upon the core Islamic text, the Koran. A correct designation is "Muslim Law" (i.e. the law system of the Muslims), or "Islam-inspired", "Islam-derived," or even "the law system of Muslims."
This is well known to most Muslims, yet Sharia is always referred to as "based upon the Koran", hence it is the "will of God."

Click (quick and dirty google search)

Sharia is like the Old Testament, on steroids. It doesn't require much misapplication to be used to the will of the men who rule.

 

[Karole28]

In the U.S., you mean?

Oh, most definitely in the US.