Muslims attack "gay" model in Amsterdam!

[Karole28]

Thanks for all the research Karole. It was interesting that the Canadian article strove to clarify some of the very things we've been debating.

I wonder what else besides asylum would help women and gays in countries that are now falling under the sway of radical or fundamentalist Islam?

Escape

I've thought for a long time about trying to start an underground railroad for women and men who need to escape from their communities.

I wouldn't know how to begin to help.

 

[curiositycat]

Will you adopt me, please??

You bet I will. I have a lot of "adopted" sons and daughters! I love them all, unconditionally, just the way God loves us!!!:blowkiss:

 

[curiositycat]

Escape

I've thought for a long time about trying to start an underground railroad for women and men who need to escape from their communities.

I wouldn't know how to begin to help.

Great idea! However my mind goes to the movie "Not without my daughter"

I am not sure, without a lot of underground help, it would be possible for one to do that and stay alive.

Your posts are great and you have sure done your homework!! I like talk backed with facts and you have them! :clap::clap::clap:

 

[Karole28]

Great idea! However my mind goes to the movie "Not without my daughter"

I am not sure, without a lot of underground help, it would be possible for one to do that and stay alive.

Your posts are great and you have sure done your homework!! I like talk backed with facts and you have them! :clap::clap::clap:

You are too kind, ma'am. Thank you.

:blowkiss:

 

[Texana]

The Netherlands was already been the site of another hateful and shocking crime by Muslim extremist:

http://www.religionnewsblog.com/9216

and an analysis of how that crime and others are justified:

http://www.religionnewsblog.com/9216

It is what it is. There's a significant and large number of Muslims that feel justified in using violence against others not of their faith.

There's a significant and large number of other Muslims that feel the violence is wrong, but affirm the "feelings" that drive the other Muslims to violence.

There's an unknown number of Muslims who neither support violence nor affirm the justification of it, but they are either afraid to speak out, not given the attention when they do, or silenced by sheer number of the others.

 

[reb]

btw... Interesting, that sentence: 'this shows that Amsterdam is no longer a tolerant city'.... WOW!! Do you all see the amazing SHIFT that is at work here???? We are FINALLY starting to see the concept of INTOLERANCE being applied to MUSLIMS, which is far more accurate... instead of the 'evil colonizing white man' who is supposedly guilty of persecuting everyone with darker-than-white skin, constantly. Finally,, the truth is coming being said.

What is the point of forcing your citizens to be TOLERANT of immigrants who are grossly, and violently,, INTOLERANT....???

 

[Karole28]

The Netherlands was already been the site of another hateful and shocking crime by Muslim extremist:

http://www.religionnewsblog.com/9216

and an analysis of how that crime and others are justified:

http://www.religionnewsblog.com/9216

It is what it is. There's a significant and large number of Muslims that feel justified in using violence against others not of their faith.

There's a significant and large number of other Muslims that feel the violence is wrong, but affirm the "feelings" that drive the other Muslims to violence.

There's an unknown number of Muslims who neither support violence nor affirm the justification of it, but they are either afraid to speak out, not given the attention when they do, or silenced by sheer number of the others.

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

 

[reb]

I'll say it again.... I am absolutely, positively 100% against accepting of ISLAM of ANY sort. SO don't anyone give me that 'don't lump them all in together' crap.
If someone has any desire to be ANY part of this evil religion/culture/political agenda,, then you are no friend of mine!!!! WHY on earth would any sane, evolved person in the 21st century want to have any part in a religion that is fraught with so much violence, misogyny, hatred, terrorism, martyrdom, hypocrisy, with an obsessive fondness for beheading people,, and god,, what about those backwards, barbaric laws they have.. and are trying to impose upon other countries??? (AND SUCCEEDING!)

YES it's wrong that we are in THEIR nations sucking out all their oil to fill our gross Hummers and SUV's. YES it's wrong that the powerful oil companies have always fought against efficient forms of public transportation and gotten Americans totally hooked on automobiles. THAT has to change. And yes they have a right to be angry about that. And YES America is decadent, sex-obsessed, materialistic and disgusting.. and very often I hate how we waste our freedoms on idiotic, self-indulgent things.. ie., sometimes 'I hate our freedom' too. However.... whatever you want to call Islam..... It's a religion, it's a political agenda.. and very often,, it's a race... whatever.. I don't care what it is. I DESPISE IT!!!!!


There, I said it.... now arrest me.

 

[reb]

ie,, Muslims are lumping THEMSELVES in with violent, fundamentalist extremists simply by BEING MUSLIMS.

 

[Details]

That's exactly why a tagline, or asking people who talk about "muslims"
if they mean all muslims or just the radicals, is not insulting nor unnecessary. Because there are many out there like reb who are anti all muslims, lump them all together because they dare to keep the religion they believe to be true even when it is abused by terrorists. That's why the fear that Obama could be a muslim - even with a long history of Christianity, with no evidence, and with even less evidence that he's not only Muslim somehow, but a radical muslim.


Reb - not so long ago, you could have asked your same questions about Christianity - looked at the crusades, the dark ages, the books bound in human skin, the inquisition - and said, how can any sane evolved person want to have any part of a religion fraught with so much violence, hatred, torture, hypocricy, etc. The simple answer - that is not the religion. That is what some people abuse it for.

 

[blaize]

Well said Details. I support Reb's right to say what she needs to say but I also hold that there needs to be clarity when people are talking about radical Muslims or mainstream Muslims because each and everyone of us can only represent our own views when we post and can't assume that we speak for other people.

Of course that's only my opinion but I will continue to make the distinction and what any other poster decides to do is up to themselves.

 

[southcitymom]

ie,, Muslims are lumping THEMSELVES in with violent, fundamentalist extremists simply by BEING MUSLIMS.

Hey Reb,

I'd try to disabuse you of this notion, but according to some on this thread, the very statement I want to make is so obvious that it would be insulting to you!

 

[arielilane]

I could not get though the whole thread here, but just don't get this:

"I am afraid of ANYONE who would win the presidential election that could actually be a MUSLIM plant."

I have no Muslim blood in me, nor do I even know any Muslims, and this statement is hurtful to me. I don't get it?

 

[Karole28]

Arab Columnists: Islam Has Been Harmed More By Muslims than By the West

The recent re-publication of a cartoon of the Prophet Muhammad by the Danish press and release of Dutch MP Geert Wilders' film "Fitna" have precipitated a wave of Muslim protest, some of it violent, throughout the world. Following these developments, several Arab columnists wrote to condemn the violent reactions, arguing that the Muslims themselves had committed iniquity against both their coreligionists and everyone else, thereby harming the name of Islam.

The following are excerpts from some of the articles:


Islam's Biggest Enemy is the Muslims Themselves
In an article in the Kuwaiti daily Al-Siyassa, titled "Muslims Against Islam," Kuwaiti liberal Dr. Ahmad Al-Baghdadi wrote: "In most countries around the world, Muslims broke into Danish Embassies, setting fire to them, and called for a ban on Danish imports... They have also launched a satellite TV channel and organized various committees and institutions, with the sole purpose of defending the Prophet [Muhammad] and the Islamic religion... Have the Muslims ever taken account of the tremendous iniquities they themselves have committed and are still committing against Islam [within and outside] the Islamic countries?


Click!

 

[curiositycat]

I could not get though the whole thread here, but just don't get this:

"I am afraid of ANYONE who would win the presidential election that could actually be a MUSLIM plant."

I have no Muslim blood in me, nor do I even know any Muslims, and this statement is hurtful to me. I don't get it?

Do a deeper research by looking at some of the links here that talk about Obama's family, ect. Then you will understand better where folks, like myself are coming from. If you do go through all the links here and on the PP threads you will see that this statement was not just made out of the blue.

You will get it when you study it a bit more..with all due respect to you.

 

[crypto6]

I could not get though the whole thread here, but just don't get this:

"I am afraid of ANYONE who would win the presidential election that could actually be a MUSLIM plant."

I have no Muslim blood in me, nor do I even know any Muslims, and this statement is hurtful to me. I don't get it?

I'm curious as to why. If it's because it lumps all Muslims with their radical arm, consider the little distancing response from within that Islam has mustered versus the vitriol in response to the heinous crimes perpetrated against others because those others violate the radicals' perceived tenets. Non-radical Muslims perpetrate the evil of their radicals by not opposing it.

People burned 3,000 innocents to death in the name of their religion; wouldn't you think this would provoke a little soul searching on the part of that religion's mainstream?
Have you read Obama's whole history, at least as much as we can get? Not everyone who is skeptical is a bigot, neocon, or racist. There are a lot of thinking people who want to hear some real discourse about the principles guiding someone who would assume our Presidency.

C6

 

[Details]

Yeah, to me, it'd be because several billion Muslims, not to mention an individual who has never given a hint of being neither a radical, nor a muslim, is being so slandered as someone to be afraid of because he's of an ethnic background that many Muslims share.

To judge people by their ethnic background - yeah, hurtful. To say billions are someone to be afraid of due to their religion, even though most are peaceful people no different from any of us - yeah, hurtful. I don't understand it. Kennedy and the fear of Catholics was not that long ago, but I thought we'd outgrown that. But this is worse - not just a fear of someone of another religion, but the idea that a person with a long history of Christianity is considered a likely liar and plant due to his race.

 

[Details]

I'm curious as to why. If it's because it lumps all Muslims with their radical arm, consider the little distancing response from within that Islam has mustered versus the vitriol in response to the heinous crimes perpetrated against others because those others violate the radicals' perceived tenets. Non-radical Muslims perpetrate the evil of their radicals by not opposing it.

People burned 3,000 innocents to death in the name of their religion; wouldn't you think this would provoke a little soul searching on the part of that religion's mainstream?
Have you read Obama's whole history, at least as much as we can get? Not everyone who is skeptical is a bigot, neocon, or racist. There are a lot of thinking people who want to hear some real discourse about the principles guiding someone who would assume our Presidency.

C6

There has been plenty of distancing - but it's little reported on. Here - take a look: http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/071305/woo_19226307.shtml

This hardly is new. After Sept. 11, Muslim leaders issued statements, prayed for the victims, encouraged relief efforts and, in some cities, took out a full-page newspaper ad signed by 40 groups that said: "We condemn in the strongest terms possible the use of terror to further any political or religious cause." Nearly 700,000 Muslims have signed a "Not in the Name of Islam" petition on CAIR's Web site that begins: "We, the undersigned Muslims, wish to state clearly that those who commit acts of terror, murder and cruelty in the name of Islam are not only destroying innocent lives, but are also betraying the values of the faith they claim to represent."
...
But to say that Muslims have remained silent after attacks not only is inaccurate, Ahmed believes it fuels Osama bin Laden's Sept. 11 goal of a religious battle.

"That trap needs to be avoided," Ahmed said. "The breadth of Muslim voices against Al-Qaida, against Osama bin Laden, against 9/11, against such terrorism, is as broad as it can be, from the most conservative to the most liberal voices and everything in between."
So why don't we hear Muslim leaders condemning terrorism? Maybe we're not listening.

There's plenty more than this - but it shouldn't be needed. When Christians commit atrocities (and they do) - where's the requirement for Christian condemnation? 3000 burned to death - you can find similar things and far worse throughout Christian history - not the least of which is the Inquisition and the Crusades. Yeah - that's in history - but there are bombings and murders today in the name of Christianity, by Christian terrorists. Should that require soul searching on the part of Christianity?

I've read some of Obama's history. I've yet to see anything surprising or questionable - other than the manufactured quotes and other information that turns out to be false. Snopes is a vital resource in this instance, with so much misinformation flying around.

 

[southcitymom]

There has been plenty of distancing - but it's little reported on. Here - take a look: http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/071305/woo_19226307.shtml There's plenty more than this - but it shouldn't be needed. When Christians commit atrocities (and they do) - where's the requirement for Christian condemnation? 3000 burned to death - you can find similar things and far worse throughout Christian history - not the least of which is the Inquisition and the Crusades. Yeah - that's in history - but there are bombings and murders today in the name of Christianity, by Christian terrorists. Should that require soul searching on the part of Christianity?

I've read some of Obama's history. I've yet to see anything surprising or questionable - other than the manufactured quotes and other information that turns out to be false. Snopes is a vital resource in this instance, with so much misinformation flying around.

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

 

[curiositycat]

There has been plenty of distancing - but it's little reported on. Here - take a look: http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/071305/woo_19226307.shtml There's plenty more than this - but it shouldn't be needed. When Christians commit atrocities (and they do) - where's the requirement for Christian condemnation? 3000 burned to death - you can find similar things and far worse throughout Christian history - not the least of which is the Inquisition and the Crusades. Yeah - that's in history - but there are bombings and murders today in the name of Christianity, by Christian terrorists. Should that require soul searching on the part of Christianity?

I've read some of Obama's history. I've yet to see anything surprising or questionable - other than the manufactured quotes and other information that turns out to be false. Snopes is a vital resource in this instance, with so much misinformation flying around.

I am sorry to say this, but when was the last time you heard of Christians destroying buildings with over 3,000 folks in them??? We were attack by Muslims. Of course it would stand to reason that we might not trust them nor feel really warm and fuzzy over one of them being elected as our president. What is being prejudice got to do with it. IF Christians or Jews had attack the US I would feel the same about them! BUT THEY DIDN'T..it was Muslims.:bang: