My take on the ransom note...

I've often felt that the Rs may have hidden her away in the furthest reaches of the basement in the hopes that no one searching the house WOULD find her. I feel that the Rs may have honestly felt that if this was presented as a kidnapping, that police would come, speak to them, have a look at the ransom note, and leave to begin their investigation. Then, a few hours later they would frantically call police back and say that JBR had been killed because they did not follow instructions and called police. They could say she'd been left at the back door or something.
I had thought about that,too.As in,since the WC was latched,that no one would bother with it,and they were hoping she wouldn't be found.Perhaps 'denied her remains' meant 'she's not here,so don't bother looking..'
..and then the orders to 'treat the R's as victims,not as suspects',meaning,for one ..don't bother to search the house,it's a for-real KN.she's not there.


When it became obvious that LE had no intention of leaving, JR had to "find" her. He wasn't naive- he was well aware of the fact that waiting too long to "find" her would have made that task infinitely more horrible.
oh ain't that the truth,and he wanted that pilot and plane to be available and ready,too,before it got too awful late,knowing they'd have to file a new flight plan.
 
I've often felt that the Rs may have hidden her away in the furthest reaches of the basement in the hopes that no one searching the house WOULD find her. I feel that the Rs may have honestly felt that if this was presented as a kidnapping, that police would come, speak to them, have a look at the ransom note, and leave to begin their investigation. Then, a few hours later they would frantically call police back and say that JBR had been killed because they did not follow instructions and called police. They could say she'd been left at the back door or something.

When it became obvious that LE had no intention of leaving, JR had to "find" her. He wasn't naive- he was well aware of the fact that waiting too long to "find" her would have made that task infinitely more horrible.

The WC was actually latched. I think that this was the Rams subliminal way of keeping people out of there. IMO...since there was a RN, the Rams believed that there would be no reason for the investigators to search the house for JB. But, just in case they looked around for clues...the latched the door. This is the reason that French didn't open the door, it was dark, and he couldn't find the latch...it was up high, too. He has regretted that till this day...that he didn't go in that room. If I were an investigator, and a child were kidnapped...I would be looking for CLUES...not the child...in the home.
 
The DNA under her fingernails may have been contaminated by the coroners sloppy procedures. It is a fact that he did not follow proper protocol, which was to use a separate sterile clipper for each finger. Instead, he used the same one for all 10 fingers. With such disregard for sterile conditions, perhaps he was also sloppy about sterilizing the clipper he did use. It may have been DNA belonging to a previously autopsied male.
Now, one thing that does confuse me is the DNA in the panties. I know there was JBR's blood. That's her DNA. I have read two different versions of the male DNA there. That it was from a drop of blood mixed with JBR's blood. And that it was not male DNA in blood, but just male DNA that was in the same place as the drop of JBR's blood.
What does everyone think about it?
here's a good link..interesting...


http://www.scientific.org/tutorials/articles/riley/riley.html


Multiplex STR
One of the more commonly encountered STR test designs in forensic testing is called, Multiplex STR. There are multiplex, PCR reagent kits sold by both: PE Applied Biosystems and by Promega. Such systems combine three or more different PCRs in one reaction that targets distinct STR loci at the same time. Three of the commonly used loci are called, CSF1PO, TPOX and THO1. Again, the names of the loci have historical significance, but are of little importance as names.
Profiler Plus and CofilerTM (PE Applied Biosystems) combines 13 different STR loci. PowerplexTM (Promega) uses the same 13 loci but the primers used are different. The Promega kit incorporates published primer sequences, a significant scientific advantage, since without the primer sequences, it is unclear which STRs at some loci are targeted. A newer typing kit, IdentifilerTM (PE Applied Biosystems) incorporates the original 13 loci but adds 2 additional loci. By design (meaning where the primers were placed on the DNA by the designers) multiplex STR loci have different, non-overlapping size ranges so that DNA fragments from the different loci will have different, non-overlapping size ranges. Or, if the sizes overlap, they are tagged with differing dyes to help distinguish the 13 loci. These test systems have boldly ambitious designs and should be considered fairly experimental, especially for samples whose quantity and/or quality is outside tested limits.
There have been some discrepancies in profiles obtained with test kits from the two manufactures when the same samples were analyzed. These discrepancies are not extremely common but are noticeable and fairly dramatic when they occur. Any base within DNA can mutate (ie. change). For example, an A base at a particular position can change to a G. Such mutations usually first appear in a sperm or egg cell. Each mutation then appears throughout the body of the person who results from such a sperm or egg. Discrepancies in test kit results are thought to be due to mutations in the sites that the primers bind. These events are called, primer binding site mutations or PBS mutations.
Multiplex STRs are often combined with PCR for another locus called, amelogenin (pronunciation varies, but usually it is AM'-EEL-O-GEN-IN). Amelogenin adds little to the discriminating power of the test. Its purpose is to help distinguish male and female sources of DNA by detecting the X and Y chromosomes. The amelogenin products have sizes that place them outside the size ranges of the other loci.
Compared to PCR-based systems originally introduced, such as PM plus DQA1 (PE Applied Biosystems) multiplex STRs are technically more simple and direct at the allele detection stage. On the other hand, multiplex STR are slightly more vulnerable to missing alleles. There are two reasons for this. 1)Larger DNA fragments are degraded before smaller ones. This is simply due to the fact that larger DNA molecules are bigger targets for degradative enzymes than smaller DNA molecules. 2)PCR itself favors (will produce more of) smaller DNA targets compared to larger ones that take more time to copy. The copying is done by a protein called an enzyme. It can finish copying smaller DNA fragments more rapidly than larger ones.
Both of these factors result in a tendency for small DNA fragments to be seen more readily than larger ones. This is not an overwhelming tendency but certainly should be considered when amounts of input DNA are low, when DNA degradation is suspected, and particularly when a single small STR allele is weakly observed at a given STR locus.
STRs are prone to an artifact called, "stutter bands" or "shadow bands." These are thought to be due to the DNA repeats slipping out of register during the PCR process. These are spurious PCR products that are usually one repeat length smaller than the main band. The main problem that these pose is that it may be difficult to impossible to determine whether light intensity bands are due to stutter or due to presence of a mixture. Although the stutter bands are predictably below (shorter than) the main band, the stutter bands do often align with common alleles.


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Most forensic laboratories are aware of stutter artifacts and many take extremely careful and appropriate countermeasures. However stutter artifacts conceivably could play a role if inappropriate attempts are made to interpret minor components of a mixture.
Some of the current STR detection/typing schemes use thin tubes called capillaries, instead of flat gels. When a capillary is used, the results are often displayed as tracings on a graph, instead of the image display shown above. On such tracings, each main STR product will appear as a large peak while stutter bands appear as smaller peaks (to the left). The tracings are called, electropherograms (ELECTRO-FERO-GRAMS). The tracing data should be accompanied by


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numeric data that reveals: the measured size of each PCR product, the intensity (peak height) and the estimated allele size. The numeric data can be important in determining the quality of the results.


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The two figures above show some alternative ways in which STR results/data are presented. Basically the peaks represent tracings of bands that have come off the end of a gel, or may represent tracings of the gel itself, depending on the equipment used. Larger DNA fragments are on the right and smaller ones on the left. There are recommended standards, called thresholds for how high or low the peaks may be.
All technology has limitations. For multiplex PCRs, the most serious limitations are in the areas of samples that are minimal, degraded, mixed, over-interpreted, contaminated or even potential combinations of these. Some current practices lack support by the established literature. Over-interpretation can also occur when there are partial profiles.[1] The scientific system recognizes the human tendency toward over-interpretation and offers the countermeasures: independent review, independent verification, scientific controls and demonstrations of reproducibility. These reviews and controls are considered integral parts of the scientific process.
PCR-based testing is potentially useful since it is currently the only quick method of amplifying really minuscule amounts of DNA. However, it is important to recognize that PCR based methods are exquisitely sensitive to contamination and need to be interpreted with extreme caution. Match probabilities generated with some STR typing systems may involve extreme numbers perhaps giving the impression of an infallible result. Scientific rigor often requires that extreme numbers be placed in a context that considers all aspects of testing including laboratory error rates and technical limitations.
Partial Profiles
Use of "partial profiles" is a newly emerging and fairly disturbing trend. A partial profile is one in which not all of the loci targeted show up in the sample. For example, if 13 loci were targeted, and only 9 could be reported, that would be termed, a partial profile. Failure of all targeted loci to show up demonstrates a serious deficiency in the sample. Normally, all human cells (except red blood cells and cells called "platelets") have all 13 loci. Therefore, a partial profile represents the equivalent of less than a single human cell. This presents some important problems:
1. A partial profile essentially proves that one is operating outside of well-characterized and recommended limits.
2. Contaminating DNA usually presents as a partial profile, although not always. For this reason, the risk that the result is a contaminant is greater than for samples that present as full profiles.
3. A partial profile is at risk of being incomplete and misleading. The partial nature of it proves that DNA molecules have been missed. There is no way of firmly determining what the complete profile would have been, except by seeking other samples that may present a full profile.
Most forensic laboratories will try to obtain full profiles. Unfortunately, in an important case, it may be tempting to use a partial profile, especially if that is all that one has. However, such profiles should be viewed skeptically. Over-interpretation of partial profiles can probably lead to serious mistakes. Such mistakes could include false inclusions and false exclusions, alike. It could be said that, compared to the first PCR-based tests introduced into the courts, use of partial profiles represents a decline in standards. This is because those earlier tests, while less discriminating, had controls (known as "control dots") that helped prevent the use of partial profiles.The earlier tests will be discussed below, primarily for historic reasons, but also because they do still appear on occasion.

(let's see how TR can twist it??? lol).
 
here's something else...I don't think Bluecrab would mind if I linked to a post of his:

http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=105314&postcount=56

"Not much has been released or leaked regarding Burke, including nothing about his DNA and handwriting analyses.

In fact, the only thing that has apparently escaped about Burke was when it slipped out during a nationwide TV panel discussion by panel member Mark Fuhrman that, although the DNA has tentatively excluded John and Patsy as the donors, it nevertheless "had markers similar to Ramsey family markers". The camera caught Dr. Michael Baden, also a member of the panel, shaking his head in agreement with Fuhrman's statement."


so....it DOES bear some resemblance to Ramsey dna ! although I'm guessing that could just be some of JB's mixed in(?)
interesting ,nonetheless!
 
for one,they were afraid brother BR might see her if her body was left in her bedroom,and they couldn't take that chance..they didn't want him questioned as to what he might have overheard that night,for one thing.And to leave her in her bed appears too much like a parent or occupant of the house committed the crime;better to write a RN and move the body to another location,although I have some doubt it was to originally be in the house at all,not even the basement.JR trying to account for his prints on the walk-in fridge makes me wonder if he'd thought of placing her there,until someone else arrived to take her away.
On that note,JR trying to do all this accounting for his own evidence,shows he was fully prepared when ST's book came out,to already have an explanation for it all;i.e.-he was involved w. the cover-up before the 911 call,it leaves no doubt about that,IMO.

JMO8778,
or one,they were afraid brother BR might see her if her body was left in her bedroom,and they couldn't take that chance..
I'm not convinced regarding this aspect, if Burke discovers her body this may lend some validity towards the staging? We do not know if Burke ever saw her dead body prior to being deposited down in the basement, presumably he did not sleep much that night?

And to leave her in her bed appears too much like a parent or occupant of the house committed the crime;better to write a RN and move the body to another location,although I have some doubt it was to originally be in the house at all,not even the basement
This is the point alike the size-12's, placing her in the wine-cellar is not required and contradicts the purpose of the ransom note? So it may be possible that the ransom note applies to a prior staging, where the assumption was she was going to be deposited outdoors to comply with the abduction scenario? Now where does a sexual assault fit into either staging?


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The DNA under her fingernails may have been contaminated by the coroners sloppy procedures. It is a fact that he did not follow proper protocol, which was to use a separate sterile clipper for each finger. Instead, he used the same one for all 10 fingers. With such disregard for sterile conditions, perhaps he was also sloppy about sterilizing the clipper he did use. It may have been DNA belonging to a previously autopsied male.
Now, one thing that does confuse me is the DNA in the panties. I know there was JBR's blood. That's her DNA. I have read two different versions of the male DNA there. That it was from a drop of blood mixed with JBR's blood. And that it was not male DNA in blood, but just male DNA that was in the same place as the drop of JBR's blood.
What does everyone think about it?

That it was from a drop of blood mixed with JBR's blood. And that it was not male DNA in blood, but just male DNA that was in the same place as the drop of JBR's blood.

DeeDee249,
A drop of blood mixed with JonBenet's blood would confirm beyond doubt the existence of an intruder, regardless whether it was degraded or not, so your latter assumption appears the correct one?

The foreign dna may have arrived on the size-12's prior to them being placed on JonBenet, due to them coming in contact with random environmental debri, a test for this might be if the dna occurred in more than one location on her size-12's, e.g. in a non-blood stained part?

Everyone has foreign dna on them, in the form of casually deposited skin cells, hairs cast from peoples heads, airborne dna arriving via sneezing, coughing, crying. Dna that arrives via casual contact e.g. hand-shaking, hugs, kissing, and the sharing of common objects, cups, towels, tap-handles, door-handles etc.

So its likely that JonBenet would have had other foreign dna on her person, but that discovered in her size-12's would have been seen as less likely to arrived there accidently?
 
here's something else...I don't think Bluecrab would mind if I linked to a post of his:

http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=105314&postcount=56

"Not much has been released or leaked regarding Burke, including nothing about his DNA and handwriting analyses.

In fact, the only thing that has apparently escaped about Burke was when it slipped out during a nationwide TV panel discussion by panel member Mark Fuhrman that, although the DNA has tentatively excluded John and Patsy as the donors, it nevertheless "had markers similar to Ramsey family markers". The camera caught Dr. Michael Baden, also a member of the panel, shaking his head in agreement with Fuhrman's statement."


so....it DOES bear some resemblance to Ramsey dna ! although I'm guessing that could just be some of JB's mixed in(?)
interesting ,nonetheless!

JMO8778,
mmm, I don't quite follow BlueCrab's logic here, its quite a common train of thought e.g. an absence of evidence must imply an existence of something. If John and Patsy had been excluded then by extension so should Burke since his dna was contributed by both parents. The other conclusion, if you think there is something in this line of investigation, would be to test the grandparents dna and compare their markers, since it is theirs that Burke recieves from his parents.
 
JMO8778,

I'm not convinced regarding this aspect, if Burke discovers her body this may lend some validity towards the staging? We do not know if Burke ever saw her dead body prior to being deposited down in the basement, presumably he did not sleep much that night?

..BR finding her might appear too much to be BDI,and besides,the R's might be jerks,but I don't think they would have really wanted that to happen.
Above all,I don't think they wanted him questioned,and him finding her body would prompt that,no doubt.
I don't think he did see her dead,it sounds as if he was genuinely surprised by what was going on per the 911 tape.
I don't know as he didn't sleep much that night,kids,esp. when ultra tired from Christmas and parties,playing w. new gifts etc..can sleep pretty soundly at that age.It sounds like he didn't wake till he heard Patsy's loud voice talking to the 911 operator.


This is the point alike the size-12's, placing her in the wine-cellar is not required and contradicts the purpose of the ransom note? So it may be possible that the ransom note applies to a prior staging, where the assumption was she was going to be deposited outdoors to comply with the abduction scenario? Now where does a sexual assault fit into either staging?


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I think it does,although other possibilities may exist,all still involving a RDI,IMO.
where does a sexual assault fit in ? It appears that would more likely be a 'found outdoors,abducted by pedo' scenario,of course.
 
The foreign dna may have arrived on the size-12's prior to them being placed on JonBenet, due to them coming in contact with random environmental debri, a test for this might be if the dna occurred in more than one location on her size-12's, e.g. in a non-blood stained part?
Dr Lee tested other pairs of underwear,and found foreign dna on them.no doubt this can happen.why JB's pair wasn't tested in other areas,or the others in the tube,when returned,weren't tested (I have some doubt that was the original tube,though),who knows.probably goes in the same catagory with all the evidence sitting in a warehouse,untested.

Dr Lee also said "this is not a dna case".
 
JMO8778,
mmm, I don't quite follow BlueCrab's logic here, its quite a common train of thought e.g. an absence of evidence must imply an existence of something. If John and Patsy had been excluded then by extension so should Burke since his dna was contributed by both parents. The other conclusion, if you think there is something in this line of investigation, would be to test the grandparents dna and compare their markers, since it is theirs that Burke recieves from his parents.

sure,but then why wasn't he excluded? we know he was cleared,however,that could just be due to his age at the time.was age also a factor in not releasing any dna evidence that might be similar to,or even match,BR's dna?
I'm assuming NP and DP were dna tested,in order to be cleared ?
I'm not implying BDI....his dna could have arrived on JB per her using the same toilet as he did,playing dr with him,etc.,all innocent reasons.BUT,even if his dna did arrive on her per innocent reasons..my thought is that if IS indeed BR's dna...that it could have been kept under wraps due to his age.And publicly all anyone would be able to say is 'it is foreign male dna'.Foreign,YES,but foreign only to JB.As in,it is not hers.
Also,why did they test other females,if it's only thought to be male dna? LHP's daughter was even tested.why even bother?
Anyway,in posting BCs comments..I'm not saying Fuhrman IS saying it's BR's dna...I recall also reading about him thinking it was stutter dna...and so,like I said before..if it bears some R resemblance,then perhaps he's just saying it was JB's dna that caused shadowbands, which resembled any similar R dna found on her.
Just a few thoughts.
I suspect there might be a LOT more to that 'foreign dna' than we are hearing about.And if so,TR is able to use that publicly to their advantage.
 
sure,but then why wasn't he excluded? we know he was cleared,however,that could just be due to his age at the time.was age also a factor in not releasing any dna evidence that might be similar to,or even match,BR's dna?
I'm assuming NP and DP were dna tested,in order to be cleared ?
I'm not implying BDI....his dna could have arrived on JB per her using the same toilet as he did,playing dr with him,etc.,all innocent reasons.BUT,even if his dna did arrive on her per innocent reasons..my thought is that if IS indeed BR's dna...that it could have been kept under wraps due to his age.And publicly all anyone would be able to say is 'it is foreign male dna'.Foreign,YES,but foreign only to JB.As in,it is not hers.
Also,why did they test other females,if it's only thought to be male dna? LHP's daughter was even tested.why even bother?
Anyway,in posting BCs comments..I'm not saying Fuhrman IS saying it's BR's dna...I recall also reading about him thinking it was stutter dna...and so,like I said before..if it bears some R resemblance,then perhaps he's just saying it was JB's dna that caused shadowbands, which resembled any similar R dna found on her.
Just a few thoughts.
I suspect there might be a LOT more to that 'foreign dna' than we are hearing about.And if so,TR is able to use that publicly to their advantage.

JMO8778,
I suspect there might be a LOT more to that 'foreign dna' than we are hearing about.And if so,TR is able to use that publicly to their advantage.
I agree, there was probably foreign female dna on her panties or clothing too, its not possible to be exact about this but if the parents are ruled out on dna then that just about rules out any children, to be definitive both grandparents should be matched to the forensic sample and excluded, if done, this then excludes the child since their dna is in their grandchild!

If Burke's dna was ever discovered on JonBenet's panties then as you suggest it may have arrived their accidently e.g. sharing a bed, or by playing Doctors. So alike the size-12's it may not mean something, it might simply be a consequence of behaviour not linked to JonBenet's death?


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JMO8778,

I agree, there was probably foreign female dna on her panties or clothing too, its not possible to be exact about this but if the parents are ruled out on dna then that just about rules out any children, to be definitive both grandparents should be matched to the forensic sample and excluded, if done, this then excludes the child since their dna is in their grandchild!

If Burke's dna was ever discovered on JonBenet's panties then as you suggest it may have arrived their accidently e.g. sharing a bed, or by playing Doctors. So alike the size-12's it may not mean something, it might simply be a consequence of behaviour not linked to JonBenet's death?


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I never read that about the "Ramsey family markers" found in the panties before.
But the panties she was found in were never worn while she was alive. Any DNA from any R family members in THOSE panties place them at her death or staging. I don't recall seeing if any if her other panties were tested. Panties that have been laundered may still yield DNA, but the washing/drying process may render it useless. It would have helped this case so much if LE tested the size 12s sent along later by the Rs, whether they were same set that the panties on the body came from or not, it would have been very telling if the other panties also contained foreign DNA. It would have blown the "foreign male DNA" found on JBR's panties out of the water if the same kind of thing was found on the others as well. Maybe that's why they were not tested...it would have helped the case too much.
 
JMO8778,

I agree, there was probably foreign female dna on her panties or clothing too, its not possible to be exact about this but if the parents are ruled out on dna then that just about rules out any children, to be definitive both grandparents should be matched to the forensic sample and excluded, if done, this then excludes the child since their dna is in their grandchild!
I would assume so,but then studying basic genetics,I believe it might could possibly be more complicated than that.genes don't always mix n match in simple ways sometimes.



If Burke's dna was ever discovered on JonBenet's panties then as you suggest it may have arrived their accidently e.g. sharing a bed, or by playing Doctors. So alike the size-12's it may not mean something, it might simply be a consequence of behaviour not linked to JonBenet's death?


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for sure,and my thought is that even if some of it matches BR's,they can still call it unknown dna,since it's not a complete profile.
 
I never read that about the "Ramsey family markers" found in the panties before.
But the panties she was found in were never worn while she was alive. Any DNA from any R family members in THOSE panties place them at her death or staging. I don't recall seeing if any if her other panties were tested. Panties that have been laundered may still yield DNA, but the washing/drying process may render it useless. It would have helped this case so much if LE tested the size 12s sent along later by the Rs, whether they were same set that the panties on the body came from or not, it would have been very telling if the other panties also contained foreign DNA. It would have blown the "foreign male DNA" found on JBR's panties out of the water if the same kind of thing was found on the others as well. Maybe that's why they were not tested...it would have helped the case too much.


DeeDee249,
Yes and No. In court there would be debate over where the dna arrived from e.g. JonBenet's body itself. That it was already adhering to say her thighs but was transferred to her genital area, and that it may have been originally deposited at some prior date, remember Patsy's amnesia regarding whether JonBenet had bathed or not, the bath would as likely refute the above proposal.

Maybe the other size-12's had been tested, they tested all the size-4-6's. The Ramsey's probably felt safe returning the remaining size-12's precisely because they contained no crime-scene evidence. Their friends at the DA's office must have wired them a signal that their defence fell down completely on the issue of the size-12's. Its enough to purchase new panties and demonstrate the existence of foreign dna to invalidate any claims linking JonBenet's foreign dna to an alleged intruder, and is particularly damaging when there is no other corroborating crime-scene evidence.
 
I would assume so,but then studying basic genetics,I believe it might could possibly be more complicated than that.genes don't always mix n match in simple ways sometimes.



for sure,and my thought is that even if some of it matches BR's,they can still call it unknown dna,since it's not a complete profile.

JMO8778,
for sure,and my thought is that even if some of it matches BR's,they can still call it unknown dna,since it's not a complete profile.
Sure they can but that is just semantics. We can reply that x-% matches BR and that the probability of a random intruder yielding such a result would be y-millions to 1. Furthermore using current low-copy number techniques has increased the percentage match to z-%.

Although how genes mix and match may not be predictable there source is. The majority of genes a child carries arrive from their grandparents on either side.
 
I never read that about the "Ramsey family markers" found in the panties before.
But the panties she was found in were never worn while she was alive. Any DNA from any R family members in THOSE panties place them at her death or staging. I don't recall seeing if any if her other panties were tested. Panties that have been laundered may still yield DNA, but the washing/drying process may render it useless. It would have helped this case so much if LE tested the size 12s sent along later by the Rs, whether they were same set that the panties on the body came from or not, it would have been very telling if the other panties also contained foreign DNA. It would have blown the "foreign male DNA" found on JBR's panties out of the water if the same kind of thing was found on the others as well. Maybe that's why they were not tested...it would have helped the case too much.

Heck for all we know PR could have went out and got a new pkg of those Bloomingdale panties and removed the Wed. pair and then sent them to LE. Or maybe had a sister or someone else purchase them.
 
Heck for all we know PR could have went out and got a new pkg of those Bloomingdale panties and removed the Wed. pair and then sent them to LE. Or maybe had a sister or someone else purchase them.

Yep, that is what I believe happened.
 
JMO8778,

I agree, there was probably foreign female dna on her panties or clothing too, its not possible to be exact about this but if the parents are ruled out on dna then that just about rules out any children, to be definitive both grandparents should be matched to the forensic sample and excluded, if done, this then excludes the child since their dna is in their grandchild!

If Burke's dna was ever discovered on JonBenet's panties then as you suggest it may have arrived their accidently e.g. sharing a bed, or by playing Doctors. So alike the size-12's it may not mean something, it might simply be a consequence of behaviour not linked to JonBenet's death?


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Leave it to RDI to freely go from IDI favoring case facts--the unknown male DNA mixed with JBR's blood, and somehow spin that into siblings 'playing doctor'.

Where do you get this stuff, out of thin air? Anyway its weak and therefore appears to be sniping at what isn't understood.

There's only one DNA and it isn't a family members, so maybe just give it up?
 
Leave it to RDI to freely go from IDI favoring case facts--the unknown male DNA mixed with JBR's blood, and somehow spin that into siblings 'playing doctor'.

Where do you get this stuff, out of thin air? Anyway its weak and therefore appears to be sniping at what isn't understood.

There's only one DNA and it isn't a family members, so maybe just give it up?

Holdontoyourhat,
Sure I'll roll over and die. Anything else you would like me to do?

Because the dna is described as unknown does not mean it cannot be identified, as yet it has not been linked with any intruder, the speculation was since Burke had not been cleared, could it be his, the answer is theoretically it could, just as it could be any other males from whom their dna may have been innocently transferred to JonBenet.

Your yet to be identified intruder is not the only source for the foreign dna, also you do not know what other other foreign dna was discovered on JonBenet's person?


appears to be sniping at what isn't understood.
You must enlighten me?



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Leave it to RDI to freely go from IDI favoring case facts--the unknown male DNA mixed with JBR's blood, and somehow spin that into siblings 'playing doctor'.
nope.and I'm being realistic;I'm not trying to say BDI,or anything like that.Some ppl might go so far as to try and say that,but I'm simply saying BR's DNA CANNOT be ruled out;Fuhrman and Dr Badin both agree the dna has Ramsey similarities,and it would be a stretch of the imagination to think it could *not be some of BR's or JB's own mixed in,causing shadowbands or 'stutter' dna.I posted how inaccurate incomplete dna profiles can be,and how misleading it can be to try to use them for investigations.That is a fact.



Where do you get this stuff, out of thin air? Anyway its weak and therefore appears to be sniping at what isn't understood.
nope,and there you go,trying to pretend you didn't see something posted prior.it's based on fact,unlike your stretch -of -the- imagination story that a foreigner wrote the RN,and failed to kidnap JB just b/c she didn't have the right color hair and eyes.If you put that scenario on tv,it would be called 'jumping the shark'.

There's only one DNA and it isn't a family members, so maybe just give it up?
there is no way you can prove that it isn't.But I have posted info showing that could very well be the case.
 

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