Mystery Male Chaperone (MMC)

[twzzlrgirl]

And, the seizure thing should be pretty easy to corroborate. Did KH or DY see any evidence of this; his teachers; his friends? Unless TH was the trigger for Kyron's seizures, he would have had them when other ppl were around (sarcasm intended).

 

[debirlfan]

But why wouldn't LE have followed the MMC lead if they found a shred of evidence that it was credible? I mean the police officer got up there at the PC with *tears* in his eyes, with genuine grief on his face, to talk about Kyron's disappearance. I find it so hard to believe that bullheaded closed mindedness would keep them from investigating something so obvious and dangerous as Kyron being seen by someone other than Terri in the presence of a male stranger standing *in a school* surrounded by *many other vulnerable children* --- and just dismiss this and tell the other parents there was no danger to their children.

I understand over-focusing on a single suspect, but not to that level. Not to the level that what would otherwise be practically a smoking gun would be dismissed because it wasn't their pet theory.

I CAN however see them looking at the MMC and trying to tie him to Terri herself. Was the MMC her boyfriend, was the MMC another version of the landscaper, etc. That I can see.

It's also possible that they quickly figured out who the MMC was - perhaps a father there with his two daughters, and whoever thought they saw Kyron with them realized it was someone else they saw, etc.

 

[mydailyopinions]

Can someone help me with the whole "chaperon" situation? I thought a chaperon was a person/parent who signed up to go on a trip to help watch over kids?

What is a chaperon list on a day where there were no field trips?

 

[desquire]

To me, I see it as her simply noting all the things LE had already asked her over and over.

Looking at a statement or a set of facts and seeing multiple sides of the story may be an occupational hazard for me but I'm with jade. I understand how people can read those e-mails and see someone constructing an alibi and throwing out red herrings but I can more easily see the other side of the story: it's less than 24 hours after your stepson goes missing, you've been frantic, you've rehashed the previous day over and over in your mind, your head is swimming with "what ifs," lots of strange faceless LE people from various agencies coming and going, they tell you bits of information, you overhear them talking to each other about leads, rumors, and pure speculation, you don't know what's what, they've interviewed you 5 times about your actions on the previous day and you don't know why they are focusing on that instead of going out and finding kyron. A friend texts to offer support, asks how you are doing, you tell her you just got done with yet another interview, she asks "about what"....
In that context and at that time, everything in those texts seems perfectly normal and reasonable.

 

[liz b.]

We don't know what avenues LE has been down. We don't know what they know. IF LE knew about this male chaperone, they would have tried to identify him, IMO. Of course,if he was a stranger, then trying to identify him would be difficult. Perhaps this chaperone offered to show Kyron " the cool electric project, and told Kyron to meet him there ..." Or, perhaps TH invented him... We shall find out very soon, I think.

All JMO

 

[liz b.]

Can someone help me with the whole "chaperon" situation? I thought a chaperon was a person/parent who signed up to go on a trip to help watch over kids?

What is a chaperon list on a day where there were no field trips?

Yes, chaperones do help on field trips. Also, IIRC, for the Science Fair/Exhibits at Skyline Elementary, chaperones came in to help when the children were to be placed in groups to tour the different exhibits. I did it at my children's school. It gets a bit hectic and chaotic, and the chaperones watch the children, and keep them moving.... We did head counts at various times during the tours too....
All JMO

 

[liz b.]

I have a huge issue with LE seemingly discounting not only TP's accounts but wasn't there another kid that saw him with a group of children?

IMO the people that Kyron came in contact with daily, who shared desk space, played together at recess, ect. Would NOT be mistaken about seeing him.

My question: Whose statements is LE using as support for Kyron not being seen after his stepmom left? The teacher's?..who by reading TP's account was negligent in NOT reporting kyron missing after he didn't come back from the "bathroom or drink"?. IF TP is/was Kyron's best friend he would know whether or not Kyron was with him/at school/whatever.

JMOO

Goatman,
Yes, IIRC, a friend of Kyron's saw him in the gym. He was " laughing, and with his friends " Didn't LE say that Kyron disappeared " inside the school ", and that he was never seen again ? It is very possible,IMO, that LE has a huge problem with Kyron's movements in the school on the morning of 6/4... I'm almost entertaining thoughts that he was killed INSIDE the school, and his body taken out somehow... IIRC, scent hounds did not pick up Kyron's scent. I do not know if cadaver dogs were ever brought into the school itself..... Just baffling...

All JMO

 

[SweetLaura286]

I really really really think Terri was throwing out random things (lying). I picture the email sent to her saying something like "OMG Terri.... what happened!?!?!????" and she is telling everyone who sent her that kind of email "There might have been this random guy, the school was craziness". Hoping rumors would start flying. "Joanne talked to Terri, she said there was this random guy at school!" I am definitely in the camp that believes Terri never thought this would get focused on her. She thought that LE and everyone would automatically assume that a stranger kidnapped Kyron.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Maybe there really was a male chaperone or someone walking or seen with them and she is not lying.I hope LE is really looking into seeing if there was and if anyone else saw this.It's a good lead.

 

[PaulaF513]

So TH says she left the school at 9:00. Previous to this, I thought we had been assuming she left at 8:45, since that is the time when it has been repeatedly stated that she last saw Kyron "walking down the hall". Not sure where the discrepancy came in.

But I remember that there was even some discussion about why she left early, at 8:45, since the children weren't supposed to gather in their classrooms until 9:00. Some speculated that he must have been grabbed between 8:45 and 9:00, since he never showed up in class. It is even hinkier, in my opinion, if she claims to have left him at 9:00, right when he would have been expected in class.

By saying they think it happened between 9:00 and 10:00, TH is setting up a theory that it was during the time the kids were touring in their groups. But everything we have heard is that Kyron was NEVER SEEN IN CLASS to begin with.

Interestingly, TH's version is more consonant with the child (TP?) who spoke to the media about seeing Kyron in the hall, because he implies that the teachers noticed Kyron's absence after returning to class with their groups.

Someone here (I forget who it was) proffered that TP's story may have been alluding to the kids forming groups to begin the SF tour, not returning after touring. From what I understand, the teacher did not take a roll call before the groups formed, but apparently the kids knew what groups they were to be in. That would explain TP's story. He evidently knew Kyron was there and the teacher also had to know, why else the explanation of a drink or bathroom?

I don't think her mention of a male chaperone is anything but repeating what she has been told. Does anyone think she and KH had not spoken at all with anyone at the school or other parents prior to LE reining them in?

I more than ever believe that DY is the reason for the intense focus on TH and I hope to God that a child predator doesn't get away with a horrendous crime because she needed to exert her "mother's instinct".

 

[Kateyes]

We have no idea if Terri told LE the same thing she wrote in her email during her first interview with LE, as LE is keeping very close to the vest with this case. A father of one of the students, as others here have posted, is a definite possibility of who the "male chaperone" was. It sure would be interesting to know if : A. Terri put that in her email as an "out" for herself; or B. Someone else made that observation, and passed that info on to Terri, who then put it in her email. Not holding my breath, though, because it doesn't seem likely we will ever know the truth about the "male chaperone", or sadly, about much of anything in this case. Kyron, we have not forgotten you!

 

[Kateyes]

Just wanted to add that I too have found myself playing devil's advocate, and looking at TH from perspectives of both innocent and guilty. I can find my mind on both sides in many aspects of this case with one exception. The MFH plot against KH that reportedly TH tried to contract bothers me to no end, and rears its ugly head each time I try to objectively look at both sides of the coin. I just can't get past that -it screams volumes to me about what a person who would contract a MFH on their spouse would also do - just about anything. JMHO

 

[cluciano63]

I think Terri is saying someone told her something (rumor, gossip) about a man who seemed to be taking one of the groups around and that Kyron was with him. Whether true, partially true, or entirely fabricated, who knows. Maybe LE does. But I don't think she just came up with it on her own, that early on, unless, as I have thought possible all along, something happened by accident with Kyron that day and she was trying to cover up in desperation mode. I still think this is possible.

 

[Calliope]

I think Terri is saying someone told her something (rumor, gossip) about a man who seemed to be taking one of the groups around and that Kyron was with him. Whether true, partially true, or entirely fabricated, who knows. Maybe LE does. But I don't think she just came up with it on her own, that early on, unless, as I have thought possible all along, something happened by accident with Kyron that day and she was trying to cover up in desperation mode. I still think this is possible.

I agree; there was so much misinformation and rumor in the beginning (well, still is lol). This could have come from anyone.

 

[liz b.]

I think Terri is saying someone told her something (rumor, gossip) about a man who seemed to be taking one of the groups around and that Kyron was with him. Whether true, partially true, or entirely fabricated, who knows. Maybe LE does. But I don't think she just came up with it on her own, that early on, unless, as I have thought possible all along, something happened by accident with Kyron that day and she was trying to cover up in desperation mode. I still think this is possible.

I would like to ask you : if this was an accident, when and where do you believe it may have happened ? I have read that you think this before, and always wanted to ask you... Very sorry if it's considered OT, and TIA...

All JMO

 

[cluciano63]

I would like to ask you : if this was an accident, when and where do you believe it may have happened ? I have read that you think this before, and always wanted to ask you... Very sorry if it's considered OT, and TIA...

All JMO

My thought was if Kyron either decided he wanted to go with Terri for the day or he followed her out to ask her something or other and she finally agreed (maybe he wanted to skip the dreaded talent show) and then once in the car, he made some remark about how he could not wait to see his Mom (Desiree) that night, for example, and she walloped him...either on the road nearby while driving or elsewhere...and then it all became a panic to cover up when she realized he was not waking up...that sort of thing. I could see her wanting Dede's help and all of the lies, etc...just a theory, and only because a planned thing seems too bizarre even for this case.

 

[human]

I really really really think Terri was throwing out random things (lying). I picture the email sent to her saying something like "OMG Terri.... what happened!?!?!????" and she is telling everyone who sent her that kind of email "There might have been this random guy, the school was craziness". Hoping rumors would start flying. "Joanne talked to Terri, she said there was this random guy at school!" I am definitely in the camp that believes Terri never thought this would get focused on her. She thought that LE and everyone would automatically assume that a stranger kidnapped Kyron.

Excellent post.

 

[liz b.]

My thought was if Kyron either decided he wanted to go with Terri for the day or he followed her out to ask her something or other and she finally agreed (maybe he wanted to skip the dreaded talent show) and then once in the car, he made some remark about how he could not wait to see his Mom (Desiree) that night, for example, and she walloped him...either on the road nearby while driving or elsewhere...and then it all became a panic to cover up when she realized he was not waking up...that sort of thing. I could see her wanting Dede's help and all of the lies, etc...just a theory, and only because a planned thing seems too bizarre even for this case.

It's an interesting theory..... I wonder,though, if she would have let him leave the school ? Had she ever done that before ? Why take him to school at all ? And, also, is there any indication that she had ever hit him before ? For example, did Kyron tend to "flinch" when someone would make a hand movement near his face ? IMO DY would have noticed and commented, at lenght, if this was the case.... But, then again, you could be spot on...

All JMO

 

[Susan10]

It's an interesting theory..... I wonder,though, if she would have let him leave the school ? Had she ever done that before ? Why take him to school at all ? And, also, is there any indication that she had ever hit him before ? For example, did Kyron tend to "flinch" when someone would make a hand movement near his face ? IMO DY would have noticed and commented, at lenght, if this was the case.... But, then again, you could be spot on...

All JMO

above bold mine.

LizB, she took him to school to take a picture of him there and establish the beginning of her alibi, imho.

 

[debirlfan]

I would like to ask you : if this was an accident, when and where do you believe it may have happened ? I have read that you think this before, and always wanted to ask you... Very sorry if it's considered OT, and TIA...

All JMO

I can't see an accident. What sort of accident could it be? Kyron runs out into the parking lot as she's leaving and she runs over him with the car? I'd think there would be plenty of physical evidence of that. Kryon sneakes out to the truck and hides in the back? I don't think it was hot enough out for the heat to overcome him, and again, there would be evidence. Given that he appeared healthy when he got to school (at least from the photo) I doubt if he was about to drop from some sort of poison.

I can't see it. I think the options are kidnapped, killed or wandered off - whether TH was involved or not. The only (very slim) possibility of an accident would be if it involved someone at the school (not TH) and they panicked and covered it up.