Nancy Cooper, 34, of Cary, N.C. #26

[ncmomof2boys]

After you posted this the other day, another poster said it was still there, and found it and copied it and pasted it in her post...

Yep! It was me!

Here it is again:


https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=31717822&postID=6895562363785548874

It is actually still there. It is at the end of the first paragraph of the comment left by Jen. I will copy/paste it here.

"I now realize that when you told me more than a year ago that two of the people in your group of friends were having an affair that it was Brad, wasn't it?."

 

[Daphne69]

New Search warrant for cell phone (Nancy's) and address books.

http://www.newsobserver.com/2864/story/1241714.html

 

[jumpstreet]

New Search warrant for cell phone (Nancy's) http://www.newsobserver.com/2864/story/1241714.htmland address books.

Hmmm... very interesting... wonder why LE wants/needs to get access to the private/personal address entries in her mobile phone. Probably will find old saved text messages in there, among other things...

 

[reddress58]

New Search warrant for cell phone (Nancy's) and address books.

http://www.newsobserver.com/2864/story/1241714.html

Thanks, Daphne. I'm surprised LE doesn't already have her phone in their possession. When they say it is "locked" because of the divorce, do you think they mean so Brad couldn't see who she was calling or receiving calls from? Not sure what they mean by 'locked'. My phone is more primitive.

 

[garner_nc]

Locked means you had to enter a password to access the phones functionality.

Here is a question..If her phone was locked, how did he use it to make a call?

 

[jumpstreet]

Thanks, Daphne. I'm surprised LE doesn't already have her phone in their possession. When they say it is "locked" because of the divorce, do you think they mean so Brad couldn't see who she was calling or receiving calls from? Not sure what they mean by 'locked'. My phone is more primitive.

Locked with a password... typically, phones that have the password enabled require the user to enter a password in order to make calls with it (and certainly in order to access any internally stored information (internal contact lists, saved text messages, stuff like that).

Given the warrant indicates they were also searching her address books, I wonder if that's referring to separate hand-written address books. If yes, if those weren't taken at the original search, then does that mean LE had to go back to the house to procure them?

Regardless, seems they are interested in finding out more about person(s) NC was interacting with, and in contact with, in general. [ Presumably other than BC, but who knows... maybe they are after some text message BC sent her at some point... ]

Given the timeframe, seems they are looking for something 'specific' though (vs a 'general info sweep').

 

[Daphne69]

Thanks, Daphne. I'm surprised LE doesn't already have her phone in their possession. When they say it is "locked" because of the divorce, do you think they mean so Brad couldn't see who she was calling or receiving calls from? Not sure what they mean by 'locked'. My phone is more primitive.

I'm guessing that the SW is for the information on her phone rather than the phone itself, kinda like seizing a computer but needing a separate SW for the info on it. I'm not sure about the "locked" part, but I took it to mean password protected. Mine is more primitive too , but I've seen people on Craigslist advertising unlocked cell phones.

 

[jumpstreet]

Locked means you had to enter a password to access the phones functionality.

Here is a question..If her phone was locked, how did he use it to make a call?

Great question. In fact, how would anyone... who didn't know the password?

 

[ncmomof2boys]

http://www.newsobserver.com/2864/story/1241428.html

"In an affidavit filed Monday in Wake District Court, Mike Hiller said that Cary police tried to coerce him into admitting that he repeatedly called Nancy Cooper's cell phone to help her husband explain his whereabouts."

"The detective told Hiller that a witness saw him using her cell phone."

"I don't know where they were going with that," Hiller said. "I didn't use her cell phone. I didn't help Brad, and I didn't hurt anybody. I think they believed me, that I was being truthful. It contradicted everything that I had been talking about up to that point."

Help Brad do what? I thought he was innocent? :crazy:

 

[Daphne69]

Locked means you had to enter a password to access the phones functionality.

Here is a question..If her phone was locked, how did he use it to make a call?

Good question. Perhaps he knew/guessed her password? Just because it was locked doesn't necessarily mean BC didn't know the password.

OTH, is it possible to make a call on a phone that's locked? (Not access contacts, etc., but just make a call)

 

[jumpstreet]

Good question. Perhaps he knew/guessed her password? Just because it was locked doesn't necessarily mean BC didn't know the password

Hmmm... presumably, the phone was locked to keep BC from accessing it (article mentions she locked it due to the pending divorce). Maybe he guessed the pw, but that would seem a real stretch (he was the specific one she didn't want to access the phone). Maybe he forced her to write down the pw when they were fighting.

 

[Daphne69]

Hmmm... presumably, the phone was locked to keep BC from accessing it (article mentions she locked it due to the pending divorce). Maybe he guessed the pw, but that would seem a real stretch (he was the specific one she didn't want to access the phone). Maybe he forced her to write down the pw when they were fighting.

I'm thinking something more along the lines of him knowing the password but letting her think he doesn't -- so he can keep tabs on her. Just speculation, but people do it with computers all the time.

 

[reddress58]

I'm thinking something more along the lines of him knowing the password but letting her think he doesn't -- so he can keep tabs on her. Just speculation, but people do it with computers all the time.

The problem is: if he had access to her password, he just as easily could have erased any incriminating phone calls, information, etc.

 

[SleuthyGal]

This makes little sense to me. The article is poorly written--how would Hiller "repeatedly calling Nancy Cooper's cell phone" help establish an alibi?

Also when people are selling their cell phones via Craig's List and ebay and say they are "unlocked," that means the phone itself is no longer tied to any particular cell phone carrier...so you can use that phone as long as YOUR cell phone carrier will support it and it's technology.

That is different than setting a password on your phone so others cannot access it.

But that's a good question as to how someone could be using Nancy's phone if it was password-protected AND no one but Nancy knew the password!

 

[SleuthyGal]

OTH, is it possible to make a call on a phone that's locked? (Not access contacts, etc., but just make a call)

Depends on the features of the particular phone. Some phones allow different levels of protection from snooping eyes.

 

[garner_nc]

This makes little sense to me. The article is poorly written--how would Hiller "repeatedly calling Nancy Cooper's cell phone" help establish an alibi?

Also when people are selling their cell phones via Craig's List and ebay and say they are "unlocked," that means the phone itself is no longer tied to any particular cell phone carrier...so you can use that phone as long as YOUR cell phone carrier will support it and it's technology.

That is different than setting a password on your phone so others cannot access it.

But that's a good question as to how someone could be using Nancy's phone if it was password-protected AND no one but Nancy knew the password!

The unlocked / locked you are referring to would be out of context to the article. She was not changing cell phone plans because of the divorce. Agree the article was poorly written. He was calling NC phone BUT he was seen using it also? So which is it...

 

[Star12]

What witness??? At 6:40 in the morning?

Wish we could see that SW and supporting affidavit.

 

[SleuthyGal]

The unlocked / locked you are referring to would be out of context to the article.

I know it wasn't in the article...someone asked what 'unlocked' meant when they saw cell phones listed on Craig's List. I was answering that question.

She was not changing cell phone plans because of the divorce.

Yes I know and I was not suggesting that she was.

He was calling NC phone BUT he was seen using it also? So which is it...

Exactly! The article is not clear. BTW, how would someone *know* that it was NC's phone that he (Hiller) was using by sight? Unless she had some girly pink phone and he would look strange w/a girly phone...I doubt there was such a witness who noticed this. LE may have made this up to see how he would react (police are, believe it or not, ALLOWED to make up a lie and throw it out to a witness to get a reaction, during questioning).

 

[SleuthyGal]

A further thought: did LE confiscate NC's cell phone right then and there on 7/12 when they came in to investigate? If they did NOT take the phone on 7/12 and it was still in Brad's possession until execution of a SW, then it's possible there was no overall password originally set on the phone and that someone SET ONE on or after 7/12.

 

[jumpstreet]

BTW, how would someone *know* that it was NC's phone that he (Hiller) was using by sight? Unless she had some girly pink phone and he would look strange w/a girly phone...I doubt there was such a witness who noticed this. LE may have made this up to see how he would react (police are, believe it or not, ALLOWED to make up a lie and throw it out to a witness to get a reaction, during questioning).

Yeah, that part (of the article) is strange. (the part about LE supposedly telling or implying to Hiller that someone saw him using NC's phone).

The part of the article that says he was calling NC's phone presumably meant calling from NC's phone [ otherwise, as posted, it wouldn't make any sense ]

All that still doesn't explain what LE might be (now) interested in finding on the phone itself (past text messages to/from BC perhaps?) Wonder what other BC-related stuff they might hope to find on her mobile phone, and in her private non-phone address books? [ Did they have to go back to the house last week to obtain these? ]

I'm not sure when Hiller's affidavit would have been made known to LE, but can't help but wonder if there is a tie between his custody affidavit (where he shared the reaction of NC to the text from a mystery person named Brett)... and the recent SW (to access privately stored information on NC's phone). What do y'all think - complete coincidence???