Nancy Cooper, 34, of Cary, N.C. #4

[Blink34]

I dunno what the possible problems could be with this. Bleach, Bread, Milk... I get those confused all the time :waitasec: no wonder my sandwiches taste funny....

IIRC, [DELETED/CENSORED BY POSTER DUE TO SECURITY CONCERNS ON THE PART OF THE ORIGINAL POSTER] and the purchase was a single item at approximately 4AM, not bread and milk at 6AM. Two hour time difference, and a huge difference in the items. Hard to explain that, if it is true. Now, thinking back on the movie "Rear Window" when the detective tells Jimmy Stewart that he is spending a lot of time looking at the private lives of people, and if you think back on it, you might be aware that you have done suspicious looking things, even when they were innocent. I remember thinking after the Jeffrey Dahmer case that it would probably seem strange to his neighbors hearing a power saw running after midnight... then some months afterward realizing that I was running MY power saw in my garage about 2AM. Suspicious actions alone do not prove guilt, but the LE would not be doing a good job if they did not look into this. I can see how BC might have room to wiggle some, but I am not sure about 2 hours worth by claiming confusion about the time of the trip to the store because he was distraught about his missing wife, but confusing detergent with bread? That is harder to swallow (pun intended )

CyberPro

Hey, a Funny IT Guy- good for you!!
Kidding, but to clarify, he was at the store at 4am without his children who were home alone and as LE suspected from the tape, the fact that he would do that is huge, that and why lie about the time?

 

[SuziQ]

I dunno what the possible problems could be with this. Bleach, Bread, Milk... I get those confused all the time :waitasec: no wonder my sandwiches taste funny....

IIRC, [DELETED/CENSORED BY POSTER DUE TO SECURITY CONCERNS ON THE PART OF THE ORIGINAL POSTER] and the purchase was a single item at approximately 4AM, not bread and milk at 6AM. Two hour time difference, and a huge difference in the items. Hard to explain that, if it is true. Now, thinking back on the movie "Rear Window" when the detective tells Jimmy Stewart that he is spending a lot of time looking at the private lives of people, and if you think back on it, you might be aware that you have done suspicious looking things, even when they were innocent. I remember thinking after the Jeffrey Dahmer case that it would probably seem strange to his neighbors hearing a power saw running after midnight... then some months afterward realizing that I was running MY power saw in my garage about 2AM. Suspicious actions alone do not prove guilt, but the LE would not be doing a good job if they did not look into this. I can see how BC might have room to wiggle some, but I am not sure about 2 hours worth by claiming confusion about the time of the trip to the store because he was distraught about his missing wife, but confusing detergent with bread? That is harder to swallow (pun intended )

CyberPro

Thanks for the laugh about the sandwich. Everything you said is true. But sometimes guilty people act suspicious.

 

[Blink34]

Thanks for the laugh about the sandwich. Everything you said is true. But sometimes guilty people act suspicious.

Occar's Razor, absolutely.

 

[allboys]

I think it's like the little boy who broke the lamp- maybe some kids would confess their "accident", while others would "hide the evidence" to try and shirk the blame. I think he murdered her in the heat of the moment then freaked-and having watched too many crime shows on TV, made up an elaborate story and tried to cover his tracks. Remember O.J.?

Yes, I think you're right. Unfortunately, I think all of the crime shows are "teaching" criminals how to cover their tracks a little better, and mistakes to avoid etc. Pretty scary. I guess if you are crazy enough to strike out at your wife, you aren't the type of person who would call the police...even if it would have been the better decision with hindsight.

 

[panthera]

Good question! (Why dump the body in the open).

:doh: It just dawned on me when I read your post ~ decomposition! For those of us who followed Jessie Davis' murder, again bleach came into the picture, and some speculated it could've been put on her to hasten decomposition. Putting the body out in the open, in the hot sun, maybe he was trying to destroy evidence, but Nancy was found sooner than he thought she would be.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Welcome Buttabsy-
Regarding the rumor Mill- you say that her best friend's husband organized the search, and BC was having an affair with this woman- Is it your opinion from the chat that the hubby is/was unaware?

Am I wrong or did I read in my sleep deprived delirium that a search warrant was executed on said woman's home and cell phone records- who is she, if it is not sealed, it's public record.

I could be mistaken, but isn't her best friend/marathon training partner the Adam woman who called 911? There was an article which mentioned her husband (which I quoted on the thread for finding materials for children) and his name is Brett Adam. I know it would be wrong to assume...but I will anyway...that he is the one who headed up the search. If I were a betting person...which I am...I believe he has even posted here a few times. It didn't sound to me as if either one of those were that involved with Brad, if you know what I mean.

The rumor mill mentioned that the alleged affair was over the past year or so and it seemed to indicate they were friends before...but no longer. Also, that she took time off to sort things out possibly and came home to tell him that she was finished with the marriage because she did know about the affair. She wouldn't be making plans to paint or run with a woman she knew destroyed life as she knew it, imo.

Brett Adam and other Cooper friends said they were dealing with how to explain the situation to their own children. Adam said that when he told his preschool-age son that Cooper was lost, the child asked, "Why doesn't she just turn around and come back?"

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/cri...y/1142058.html

 

[close_enough]

I dunno what the possible problems could be with this. Bleach, Bread, Milk... I get those confused all the time :waitasec: no wonder my sandwiches taste funny....

IIRC, [DELETED/CENSORED BY POSTER DUE TO SECURITY CONCERNS ON THE PART OF THE ORIGINAL POSTER] and the purchase was a single item at approximately 4AM, not bread and milk at 6AM. Two hour time difference, and a huge difference in the items. Hard to explain that, if it is true. Now, thinking back on the movie "Rear Window" when the detective tells Jimmy Stewart that he is spending a lot of time looking at the private lives of people, and if you think back on it, you might be aware that you have done suspicious looking things, even when they were innocent. I remember thinking after the Jeffrey Dahmer case that it would probably seem strange to his neighbors hearing a power saw running after midnight... then some months afterward realizing that I was running MY power saw in my garage about 2AM. Suspicious actions alone do not prove guilt, but the LE would not be doing a good job if they did not look into this. I can see how BC might have room to wiggle some, but I am not sure about 2 hours worth by claiming confusion about the time of the trip to the store because he was distraught about his missing wife, but confusing detergent with bread? That is harder to swallow (pun intended )

CyberPro

i agree...huge difference in the timing, & the items.....

i love the movie Rear Window...grace kelly & jimmy stewart; just classic..

 

[Fairy1]

So here's the thing I just don't get with these guys...assuming that Brad did kill his wife, and assuming it was NOT premeditated. Instead of removing the body, why not call the police, explain that there was an argument...some rage...an accident. (Even if it was accidentally striking her with a heavy object). Wouldn't he rather admit his wrong doing, have a lesser sentence for involuntary manslaughter, than put up this front for the press and family/friends, only to be put in jail for life anyway?????? I know I'm getting ahead of myself, but I just wonder why they always opt for hiding the body?
I'm sure he wasn't thinking clearly...but still, think of your daughters!!! I also really wonder if they heard anything. I'm assuming the 4 year old has been interviewed by police. Sorry for the ramble. I guess its just hard to understand a psycho, when you aren't one. Although, now my husband thinks I am, because I'm newly obsessed with this site.

Welcome Allboys! Truly, those of us who are not narcisistic psychos simply cannot put ourselves into the minds of these guys. If Brad killed her, I sincerely doubt he ever once thought of his children - before, during or after. The ego is a HUGE part of their thought process and that is exactly what does them in! He likely never considered that there would be a surveillance camera wherever he did his late night/early morning shopping. Mistake #1. Well-known affair - mistake #2. Scratches on his arms=DNA under her nails - mistake #3. In his own mind, he is smarter than everyone else. Of course, that is not so.

 

[Blink34]

I could be mistaken, but isn't her best friend/marathon training partner the Adams woman who called 911? There was an article which mentioned her husband (which I quoted on the thread for finding materials for children) and his name is Brett Adams. I know it would be wrong to assume...but I will anyway...that he is the one who headed up the search. If I were a betting person...which I am...I believe he has even posted here a few times. It didn't sound to me as if either one of those were that involved with Brad, if you know what I mean.

The rumor mill mentioned that the alleged affair was over the past year or so and it seemed to indicate they were friends before...but no longer. Also, that she took time off to sort things out possibly and came home to tell him that she was finished with the marriage because she did know about the affair. She wouldn't be making plans to paint or run with a woman she knew destroyed life as she knew it, imo.

Exactly why I was looking for more info, I want to stay ahead of what is possible gossip, and protect our local perspectives as well.
Was there a warrant executed on a Cary woman suspected of involvement with Brad?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I have not heard that.

 

[RR0004]

I am reposting this as I posted it very shortly before Windchime kindly started a new thread for us

Quote:
Originally Posted by wherego
You said....

By the way, if I was ever in need of a fair Jury...I would hope it was filled with WSers! They look at every piece of evidence and do weigh all the options. They are intelligent and very thorough at what they do.

I respectfully have to disagree with that, from what I have seen here in the past 3 days from the vast majority of posters, they found Brad Cooper guilty long before Nancy's body was even found. They will not even begin to look at any other evidence if there was any. I feel they look at some really crazy things as evidence. They look at him getting a lawyer as evidence. If LE was searching my home, my cars, my body for DNA, I would be getting a lawyer to, and I about guarantee that you would also, even though you or I were 100% innocent. Also, his not attending Press Confrences-I don't see this as a sign of guilt either. He owes nothing to the public as long as he is co-operating with police. I think this depends on the individual some peole are just more private than others.

Let me say I am not defending him, the evidence does seem to be stacking up against him, but if you are not looking in any other direction for eveidence it would. What I am tyrying to say about jurors, is that they could not have the closed mind I have found here.


Blink responded:

Wherego-
First I commend you for welcoming Reanne, and Welcome Reanne as well.
At the risk of sounding defensive, I AM a regular poster and this is the second thread for this case. I was wondering if you took the time to read the first one? I mention this because I have been on this for days and with very few exceptions, I see diligent, honest, well-intentioned and damn intuitive WS'rs. You would have to check with Tricia or a MOD, but I have to think this case has brought a firestorm of new posters and some of the best local perspectives I have seen in my short tenure here. I think I counted 5 new posters commenting on how welcome they felt, and how much information they got from here.

I found Reanne's post very articulate and relevant, however, for me, well after a bulk of evidence is already known, and for that which is not, I personally do my best not to speculate. I am folllowing and contributing to a dialog that is based on known facts, evidence, intuition and extensive experience. Nevertheless, I left at 11am today, there were 2 pages to this thread, there are 16 as I am typing this, but because I care about the integrity of what I post, and respect what others have, I read every one before posting so I can best contribute productively on this thread.

The last I checked this was NOT a Voir Dire, therefore calling out people's potential bias's- real or perceived, imo, is inappropriate.

You're right, Blink...just not cool.

OT- Hope vacay was great...and restful!

 

[Blink34]

:doh: It just dawned on me when I read your post ~ decomposition! For those of us who followed Jessie Davis' murder, again bleach came into the picture, and some speculated it could've been put on her to hasten decomposition. Putting the body out in the open, in the hot sun, maybe he was trying to destroy evidence, but Nancy was found sooner than he thought she would be.

I truly think if that was his goal he would have put her in the water or the "thicket" which is exactly that according to the aerial video. The water in that retaining pond was enough to conceal her, imo. I think he panicked, did the best he could given the timeline and was fighting the sunrise.

 

[buttabsy]

"Regarding the rumor Mill- you say that her best friend's husband organized the search, and BC was having an affair with this woman- Is it your opinion from the chat that the hubby is/was unaware?

Am I wrong or did I read in my sleep deprived delirium that a search warrant was executed on said woman's home and cell phone records- who is she, if it is not sealed, it's public record."

There weren't any facts in the conversation, just folks throwing out what they heard during the day. Someone heard RUMOR that the affair might have been with the best friend. It is fact though that her best friend's husband organized the search. I guess BC was too beside himself to think to do that??? (or was home CLEANING)

I haven't heard anything about a warrant on another woman's home & cell phone records. That sure would be interesting!!!

I'll just be so happy when the police share some info. They tell us we can go about life as usual but until I know for certain that this REALLY is an isolated case I'm not heading out to run by myself. Most of all my heart just goes out to those two little girls. Their lives will NEVER be the same no matter what the outcome.

 

[Blink34]

I have not heard that.

Going to rub my magic lamp for answers to these and other questions and check last thread

 

[close_enough]

Welcome Allboys! Truly, those of us who are not narcisistic psychos simply cannot put ourselves into the minds of these guys. If Brad killed her, I sincerely doubt he ever once thought of his children - before, during or after. The ego is a HUGE part of their thought process and that is exactly what does them in! He likely never considered that there would be a surveillance camera wherever he did his late night/early morning shopping. Mistake #1. Well-known affair - mistake #2. Scratches on his arms=DNA under her nails - mistake #3. In his own mind, he is smarter than everyone else. Of course, that is not so.

great point, Fairy....

 

[RR0004]

Hey, a Funny IT Guy- good for you!!
Kidding, but to clarify, he was at the store at 4am without his children who were home alone and as LE suspected from the tape, the fact that he would do that is huge, that and why lie about the time?

Ah...but according to HIM his wife was home asleep, I'm sure!

 

[panthera]

I truly think if that was his goal he would have put her in the water or the "thicket" which is exactly that according to the aerial video. The water in that retaining pond was enough to conceal her, imo. I think he panicked, did the best he could given the timeline and was fighting the sunrise.

I'm thinking he was rushed too & afraid of being seen. Maybe because of it getting light outside, or maybe spooked by noises or if he was there like before 4am, fear of getting caught as a vehicle with headlights would be very noticeable in a dark area.

 

[jilly]

Blink responded:

Wherego-
First I commend you for welcoming Reanne, and Welcome Reanne as well.
At the risk of sounding defensive, I AM a regular poster and this is the second thread for this case. I was wondering if you took the time to read the first one? I mention this because I have been on this for days and with very few exceptions, I see diligent, honest, well-intentioned and damn intuitive WS'rs. You would have to check with Tricia or a MOD, but I have to think this case has brought a firestorm of new posters and some of the best local perspectives I have seen in my short tenure here. I think I counted 5 new posters commenting on how welcome they felt, and how much information they got from here.

I found Reanne's post very articulate and relevant, however, for me, well after a bulk of evidence is already known, and for that which is not, I personally do my best not to speculate. I am folllowing and contributing to a dialog that is based on known facts, evidence, intuition and extensive experience. Nevertheless, I left at 11am today, there were 2 pages to this thread, there are 16 as I am typing this, but because I care about the integrity of what I post, and respect what others have, I read every one before posting so I can best contribute productively on this thread.

The last I checked this was NOT a Voir Dire, therefore calling out people's potential bias's- real or perceived, imo, is inappropriate.

I'm glad you brought this over Blink because I was about to after :read:all the posts here. Excellent post!:clap:

 

[close_enough]

Exactly why I was looking for more info, I want to stay ahead of what is possible gossip, and protect our local perspectives as well.
Was there a warrant executed on a Cary woman suspected of involvement with Brad?

haven't heard of one yet, but i know at one point there was a search warrant for a computer, from the "mistress" of Jason Young....(the man that killed his wife, Michelle Young....imo)

it's possible we'll hear of something similar with this case...if there's a mistress...

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Ah...but according to HIM his wife was home asleep, I'm sure!

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