Nancy Grace 10-23. -FBI results are coming in

Sorry, very quick OT, ask your shrink about Seroquel, changed my life. I have panic/anxiety disorder, didn't drive for 5 yrs, and I'm like a new person!

Back on topic!

Really??? He has me on Celexa and I hate it!! I like to have a drink every now and then but when I'm on Celexa I go NUTS! I do really dumb crap and I KNOW its from the Celexa, which seems to do NOTHING for my anxiety anyways. The only help for my anxiety is the Klonopin.
 
And yes! This is very true. I ran over a skunk once. I felt bad because I did not kill it all the way, so I did it again. (I know...sounds odd but hey!) Anyways, there was fur, blood, guts, you name it, up under my wheel well. The skunk smell lingered for a day or two but I never once smelled decomposition. I did the same thing with a SQUIRREL I hit. Same story. Not dead. Rode back over it to end the suffering...Blood, guts, again. NEVER a smell. NEVER!

cacnotcam, did you take these road kills home to cook? Or at least to get the furs?
 
How wonderful, LostGrl! I went on it after it helped 2 of my family members (one takes 1800 mg per night!) and they rec. it to me. It only took one week for me to feel the complete change. I have really really bad anxiety/panic/ocd/insomnia. I finally just got my dad on it and he's got schizo-affective disorder and he feels great too! I don't know where I'd be w/o it, honestly.
 
Do you have a link for this info? When she refused the visitations it was because she didn't want to see her family and it was toward the end of her stay. If she were detoxing from Benzo's it would have been when she first got to jail. I'd like to see a link stating she was ill as I have not heard that.

Benzo withdrawal is an awful, painful thing that can kill a person if not done correctly. She would have been in the medical facility going through detox.. When she was in court her withdrawl symptoms would have been visable to all.

Not if she was addicted to meth or crack. I have always thought she was using crystallized methamphetamine known as "ice," "crystal," or "glass," "crystal meth". It is smokable and more powerful form of the drug with instant addiction.

The withdrawal consists of extreme tiredness and fatigue, sleeping as much as 20 hours at a time, intense hunger, moderate depression, anxiety and possibly disturrbed periods of sleep. (they said she slept for almost 3 days when first arrested)

People who have recently stopped abusing the powerfully addictive drug meth may have brain abnormalities similar to those seen in people with mood disorders.

She also could have used crack. Crack is an extremely powerful drug. Crack addiction is inevitable; once an individual has tried crack they may be unable to predict or control the extent to which they will continue to use. Crack is probably the most addictive substance yet devised. Crack users need more and more crack to attain the same high and avoid the intense "crash" or depression that follows their high. They become physically and psychologically dependent on crack , which often is a result of only a few doses taken within a few days. This dependence on crack leads to crack addiction. To balance off the intense lows, crack users often use other drugs, such as alcohol, hash or marijuana in addition to crack.
 
They don't have to release anything to the public that they are going to be using to prosecute Casey. I think the test results will be kept by LE, but I could be wrong.

The only reason I can see for them to release even part of the results would be to TRY and prove to the A fam that Caylee is deceased.

Or to shut Ms. Cindy up. Or give her more rope.
 
cacnotcam, did you take these road kills home to cook? Or at least to get the furs?

Well, I saved the bodies....In my trunk, of course! Then I moved them seveal times! The smell was horrendous but hey...I blamed it all on the skunks, and hey! They bought it!! LMAO!!!
 
LOL! I have really bad anxity though. Like SUPER bad!! I get panic attacks almost in any given situation so if I am out of Klonopin, my anxiety probably gets bad just because I know that I am out and I no longer have my "crutch." I hate to call it that, but it has been a life saver. I couldn't even go into a CVS without running out in a panic at one point. I'm better now, but no where near "normal." Probably never will be....

I got addicted to Klonopin.. bad, real bad. Please be careful with it.. I know it helps, it really does. but it is dangerous... there comes a point where the amount prescribed doesn't do what it is supposed to anymore so you take more because if you don't you have constant anxiety and fear. Then after awhile THAT dosage isn't enough either and so you have to take a little more otherwise you can't get though the day because your panic and anxiety is so bad... then after awhile longer THAT does stops.... and so it goes. Please stay aware of this. :blowkiss:


I'm sorry, ya'll for going off topic but every time the Benzo thing comes up I just have to say something. I'ma leave this thread so I won't disrupt it again because I know I won't be able to keep my mouth shut LOL
 
I am wondering what the FBI is supposed to release as well. It will be announced, right??? Or will it be secret??

They will be releasing the names of the squirrels who were killed now that the next of kin has been notified.
sorry..I had to write this.
 
I got addicted to Klonopin.. bad, real bad. Please be careful with it.. I know it helps, it really does. but it is dangerous... there comes a point where the amount prescribed doesn't do what it is supposed to anymore so you take more because if you don't you have constant anxiety and fear. Then after awhile THAT dosage isn't enough either and so you have to take a little more otherwise you can't get though the day because your panic and anxiety is so bad... then after awhile longer THAT does stops.... and so it goes. Please stay aware of this. :blowkiss:


I'm sorry, ya'll for going off topic but every time the Benzo thing comes up I just have to say something. I'ma leave this thread so I won't disrupt it again because I know I won't be able to keep my mouth shut LOL

Klonopin has what is called a "rebound effect." As you increase the dosage, to lower the threshold anxiety, as it wears off the anxiety not only returns but increases. The higher the dosage, the higher the anxiety level as it wears off. Many doctors won't prescribe it anymore because of such an adverse rebound effect.
 
I got addicted to Klonopin.. bad, real bad. Please be careful with it.. I know it helps, it really does. but it is dangerous... there comes a point where the amount prescribed doesn't do what it is supposed to anymore so you take more because if you don't you have constant anxiety and fear. Then after awhile THAT dosage isn't enough either and so you have to take a little more otherwise you can't get though the day because your panic and anxiety is so bad... then after awhile longer THAT does stops.... and so it goes. Please stay aware of this. :blowkiss:


I'm sorry, ya'll for going off topic but every time the Benzo thing comes up I just have to say something. I'ma leave this thread so I won't disrupt it again because I know I won't be able to keep my mouth shut LOL

Thank you for the insight on it! No wonder. I was fine on the first dose then that wore off. Now, I think the 1 mg is getting that way. I know that we are HORRIBLY OT. I sent you a friend request so that we could talk more about this. I really don't have anyone in my life that gets me or why I'm on meds in the first place. It is refreshing to know that I am not alone! TY!
 
Klonopin has what is called a "rebound effect." As you increase the dosage, to lower the threshold anxiety, as it wears off the anxiety not only returns but increases. The higher the dosage, the higher the anxiety level as it wears off. Many doctors won't prescribe it anymore because of such an adverse rebound effect.

Thats exactly what must have happened with me then. Sorry to be so OT! Thank you for your insight as well. I know thats why they dont prescribe Xanax that much anymore but I wasn't aware that Klonopin was essentially the same way.
 
So if the FBI results are being released tomorrow morning, will they confirm once and for all that Caylee is the one to which the decomposition in the trunk belongs? and if so, then isnt that going to throw a big fat monkey wrench into the defense tactic of shes alive shes alive??
 
NP, we all need a good laugh, especially in this case.

Aw, look at the cute lil squirrel ...

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i just bit my cheek laughing. darn you tigerbalm.
 
So if the FBI results are being released tomorrow morning, will they confirm once and for all that Caylee is the one to which the decomposition in the trunk belongs? and if so, then isnt that going to throw a big fat monkey wrench into the defense tactic of shes alive shes alive??

I have no idea! I'm lost on that! I keep hearing that they can't realease things that will go against the defense?? Or am I seeing stars again???
 
Oh? She was? I missed that part. Was she really "ill" though or just claiming to be ill to avoid meeting with LA? But with all the speculation on "zanny" "zani" xanax...Whatever. It could be. *sigh* I just don't know anymore!!!!

Does anyone know if Klonopin is as addictive as Xanax? I take that and if I miss once I feel a bit anxious (more than normal) but I have no withdrawls or anything....Well, I thought I did once. I was out and I was so anxious, I thought I was going to die. It was actually sort of traumatic but I never got "ill" per say. My condition just got worse.

(keeping this on topic - maybe KC used drugs)

Klonopin slows the brain down, through a form of
sedation similar to that from Valium, preventing the nerve cells of
the brain and spinal cord from overfiring

Benzodiazepines, the family of drugs to which Klonopin belongs is a
very efficient muscle relaxant, and is given often to treat the muscle
spasms. When Klonopin is withheld, there is a rebound
effect, meaning the muscles get very tense, causing aching, and
hyper-excitability. This can be sensed as fatigue in
some patients.

The half life of Klonopin (clonazepam) is 35 hours. What this means
in 35 hours after taking a dose, half of the drug is still circulating
in your system. In another 35 hours, half of that which was left at
the first 35 hours, is circulating. And so on and so on, until it is
gone, providing you are not taking anymore.

The fact is that benzodiazepine withdrawal can be a soul-wrenching experience simply because it unmasks so many emotional and psychological symptoms. It is very dangerous if not done gradually.

What's worse is that many users don't recognize withdrawal symptoms for what they are — signs of chemical dependency — but see them instead as personal inadequacy or a recurrence of the original problem that gave rise to the dependency.

On top of that, potentially serious physical problems — particularly seizures — can also develop during withdrawal, especially following a long-term period of high-dose use.

That's why it's usually wise to seek professional help during withdrawal. Doctors can help reduce the risk of convulsions and the severity of other symptoms by gradually reducing dosage or switching from a fast-acting drug to a slow-acting one, then reducing dosage.

One of the biggest dangers of the benzodiazepines is their ability to reinforce what psychologists call "learned helplessness" — the tendency on the part of stressed-out people to throw up their hands and simply do nothing but keep taking them, believing that nothing they do will make much of a difference, anyway.

The problem with that thinking is that we all need to learn the exact opposite — to be powerful to the degree that we can be to take charge of the events and circumstances of our lives.
 
Defense - " Evidence could have been compromised from the time it was at amscott to the time it ended up at the OCSD"

Yeah, compromised by CA...cleaning everything out. She is the only one who compromised evidence. Maybe the prosecution should throw that back at 'em...:behindbar
 
You are not the only one! But yeah. I did get really anxious but I'm not sure that would be considered a withdrawl symptom...IDK. I just know that when I was out for a couple weeks it was hell. I remember sitting in my psychs office in the waiting room just fanning myself and being so uncomfortable that I thought I was seconds from passing out. It was awful but that may have been in my own head. Not sure. Lots of things are. LOL

I found the dates anyway..aug 8th and 10th KC cancelled and LA cancelled on aug 11th so that would be a long time for withdrawl symptoms..I stand corrected..I know alot of drugs out there work good for some and not so good for others. My oldest daughter is bi-polar and it was difficult for her to put it mildly until they found the right meds and the correct dosage....We are right there with you sista...:blowkiss:
 
Klonopin slows the brain down, through a form of
sedation similar to that from Valium, preventing the nerve cells of
the brain and spinal cord from ?overfiring?

Benzodiazepines, the family of drugs to which Klonopin belongs is a
very efficient muscle relaxant, and is given often to treat the muscle
spasms. When Klonopin is withheld, there is a rebound
effect, meaning the muscles get very tense, causing aching, and
hyper-excitability. This can be sensed as fatigue in
some patients.

The half life of Klonopin (clonazepam) is 35 hours. What this means
in 35 hours after taking a dose, half of the drug is still circulating
in your system. In another 35 hours, half of that which was left at
the first 35 hours, is circulating. And so on and so on, until it is
gone, providing you are not taking anymore.

The fact is that benzodiazepine withdrawal can be a soul-wrenching experience simply because it unmasks so many emotional and psychological symptoms. It is very dangerous if not done gradually.

What's worse is that many users don't recognize withdrawal symptoms for what they are — signs of chemical dependency — but see them instead as personal inadequacy or a recurrence of the original problem that gave rise to the dependency.

On top of that, potentially serious physical problems — particularly seizures — can also develop during withdrawal, especially following a long-term period of high-dose use.

That's why it's usually wise to seek professional help during withdrawal. Doctors can help reduce the risk of convulsions and the severity of other symptoms by gradually reducing dosage or switching from a fast-acting drug to a slow-acting one, then reducing dosage.

One of the biggest dangers of the benzodiazepines is their ability to reinforce what psychologists call "learned helplessness" — the tendency on the part of stressed-out people to throw up their hands and simply do nothing but keep taking them, believing that nothing they do will make much of a difference, anyway.

The problem with that thinking is that we all need to learn the exact opposite — to be powerful to the degree that we can be to take charge of the events and circumstances of our lives.

TY for this. This makes perfect sense. All of it. I remeber when I ran out, I thought I was going to die. I went to the hospital and they even ran a CT scan...They were even convinced that I might be having a stroke or something because I was so wigged out. I couldn't even walk. My whole body was pins and needles. I chalked it all up to my anxiety and NOt the fact that I didn't have the Klonopin. Wow. Thank you.
 
Caller........will defense try to claim insanity? Answer........yes they will try to claim some sort of mental defense.

That's why those pictures, taken after Caylee went missing are soooo important! They show her state of mind.

They will try to claim insanity on Cindy. Don't think it will affect Casey's trial because she is mindless! :crazy:
 

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