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Are they somehow flying by CBP rules of being within 100 miles of the border not needing a warrant? Or whatever that legal caveat is?
Legal commentator on CNN said in some circumstances in abduction cases they don't need a warrant. But it was also reported that a warrant had been issued. MIL arrived after LE entered property so they might have been too busy to show her the warrant as they were "passed" that point.
 
  • #20,663
I thought the MIL said in the interview I watched, that she gave them permission to search whatever they wanted, or something to that effect. Whether a warrant was obtained or not, wouldn't her permission grant them legal access?
You would never want to take somebody's word in a case like this. They have a warrant. 100% no doubt
 
  • #20,664
https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/na...om-02-10-26?post-id=cmlhhbq8g00003b6qbw2q253o

The homeowner, when interviewed, stated that a warrant was not presented. Perhaps she is mistaken, but perhaps she isn't.

I apologize if this seems out of line, but considering that we have recently seen warrants are no longer deemed necessary for certain interventions, that might be the case here. If the tipster, for whatever reason, said it was in a home where an "illegal immigrant family" lives, a warrant might not have been used.

Until such a time as this is clarified, we have to give this woman the benefit of doubt. She claims to have no knowledge of the matter, and no NG hidden in her home (which was the reason given for the intervention).

In my opinion, we are all so intent on seeing a resolution to this matter that we are trying to identify people through name searches, news articles...I didn't think this was allowed. I thought that was frowned upon.

If I am mistaken, apologies for being "the wrong kind of stickler for detail", but this case now involves a very loaded aspect: the possibility that a POC is involved, and the current social climate in this nation is fraught enough already.

I suggest we take a step back and let LE do their job, identify if the person of interest should be charged with a crime, and then go from there.
SWAT doesn't do warrantless searches. These warrants are most likely under seal and/or there was consent.

Jumping the gun by assuming LE is just kicking in doors because of a feeling about ICE is wrong. ICE isn't there and this is a kidnapping case.

I agree with the rest of your statement. Let's stop assuming everything is suspicious, sloppy, politically timed or that police are kicking in doors because of exes, racist neighbors, or whatever.

We know someone was detained on a traffic stop and that person's residence or a connect residence is being searched. We know this is all being done in relation to the NG case.

Anything else is purely personal opinion.
 
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I thought the MIL said in the interview I watched, that she gave them permission to search whatever they wanted, or something to that effect. Whether a warrant was obtained or not, wouldn't her permission grant them legal access?
Yes and No. They can search, but imagine if they found something. She could claim all sorts of things and possibly get evidence thrown out.

Search warrants are supposed to be specific, not fishing expeditions.
 
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Did she say which Friday the van broke down, does anyone remember?
News Max just replayed the interview and she said 'a few days ago', like this past Friday 2/6).
 
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I agree this has all gotten very sad on multiple levels. The worst being that NG has not been found. I agree it's time to log off for a bit...

I am confused as to why Briana Whitney is reporting SWAT is back in Tucson if they're still searching the home in Rio Rico, but maybe it's a different group.
I think SWAT was brought in to apprehend suspect because they didn't know what they were dealing with. But once the guy got detained they transported him back to Tucson and left deputies and FBI to search the property. JMO
 
  • #20,669
You would never want to take somebody's word in a case like this. They have a warrant. 100% no doubt
Can’t afford “fruit of the poisonous tree” to blow up a case
 
  • #20,670
What's sad about this:

Sometimes mother's are last to know...
Yes, and. Imo If your mother in law is very loose lipped you probably keep things from her especially illegal and immoral things.
 
  • #20,671
I'm just not loving this being the guy. Apparently this was based on a "tip," and the interview with his mother-in-law did not give me a warm fuzzy feeling.

We've seen this in a couple recent cases, where the Feds jump the gun. More of the same I fear.
 
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I've found a 36 year old, same exact name, previous address right where police are right now. I'm inclined to think this is the bitcoin ransom guy, if police taking all his electronics.
I'm wondering if he's the son of the 56 yo? It is an unusual name and this is not a very populated area.
 
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Am I being naive in thinking a delivery guy who is trying to make some money to move his family out of his MIL's house would not have the sophistication nor be tech savvy enough to set up a secret untraceable Bitcoin account? Or is it something you can easily learn?
Then again, he could be part of a group, and this guy's job was only to kidnap an elderly lady.
 
  • #20,674
Hopefully something comes of this search. I just want Nancy safe and back with her family. Man, if this search turns out to be a false lead, LE would really take it on the chin on this one, so I hope this really is something here. Not really much else to add right now, headed to bed. Hopefully when I wake up in the morning there is more and hopefully Nancy is found and found alive.
 
  • #20,675
This is not the house. Use Regrid app and you can see exactly where the MIL lives, as she’s listed on the deed as one of the owners. A man with the name she gave also has his name at the address. It is not the corner house
Deleted my original post. Dont want to be confusing.
 
  • #20,676
I think SWAT was brought in to apprehend suspect because they didn't know what they were dealing with. But once the guy got detained they transported him back to Tucson and left deputies and FBI to search the property. JMO
I read post earlier that they thought he WAS at the house to apprehend but had left and had to be stopped enroute to somewhere
 
  • #20,677
Can someone confirm that LE doesn't have to have a search warrant if they think someone's life is in imminent danger?

The exigent circumstances doctrine. But I'd be shocked if LE didn't arrive with a warrant here specifically.
 
  • #20,678
Patel said there are persons of interest so perhaps this guy is one piece of the puzzle and he will lead to others.
 
  • #20,679
The map upthread reminded me, there is a lake about 35 minutes away from Rio Rico. Patagonia lake Not trying to be political but show me your warrant is very much in the forefront of a lot of us in the SW right now.
 
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Yes and No. They can search, but imagine if they found something. She could claim all sorts of things and possibly get evidence thrown out.

Search warrants are supposed to be specific, not fishing expeditions.
They have a search warrant. Many sources posted upthread. IMO
 
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