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So a random commonly used disposable glove on the side of the road (they found many according to Nanos) will get a CODIS hit. Then what? How do you link that to an actual crime when you don't know what crime has yet been comitted and this glove was miles away from the missing person's scene.
What if it also has Nancy’s DNA on it?
 
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I am 100% imagining at this very moment the DNA has been entered into Codis (I know what they said about 24 hours) and MANY people are around computer screens working fiercely to find a match. 🙏 Let this be the day…. ✝️
yes! as frustrating as this case is, I keep thinking of all the info that has NOT been released (what was found in the house; any additional video recovered; probable cause for warrants; maybe even communication that hasn't been made public) and hoping that the investigation will make sense once it is completed.
 
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What’s everyone’s thoughts on why they’re even telling the public about the gloves? Maybe they’re pretty sure of a suspect and purposefully putting pressure on them? Public pressure for results? It just seems senseless to tell any of this to the media at this stage.

What am I missing?
 
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You all know where that road leads to
 
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Yes he seemed unprepared for it or thought it had already been disarmed. If you were going to commit a capital crime, I'd think he would have examined the crime scene beforehand. Or perhaps it was a routine B&E which went bad. Or the kidnapping or staging was being done on short notice.

My doorbell notification is loud and would wake me up. Also women are lighter sleepers than men. Most older women report difficulty sleeping. So more likely an older female would wake up with a phone alert.

But her hearing aids were left behind. If she didn’t sleep with them in then it’s likely she didn’t hear any commotion or a phone alert and was instead confronted with masked men in her room upon stirring. As awful as that is to think about.
 
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What if it also has Nancy’s DNA on it?
Then it has Nancy's DNA on it.

Much much better and tells them who to look at sure. But a contractor that worked the house and shook Nancy's hand could be in the same situation. Nancy's blood, much much better. I believe they said it only hit for a male.
 
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It's possible that the suspect may have thrown the gloves out of the car within 2 miles of NG's house had no idea that his DNA may have been on them. Maybe he thought there wasn't anything traceable on them and for some reason he wanted to get rid of them ASAP.

Interestingly enough, if he was in such a hurry to get rid of the gloves, perhaps he lived in the area and didn't want them in the car when he got home. And was holding NG in his home or NG had died and he got rid of NG around the same time. Makes no sense to me to be in such a hurry to get rid of his gloves if he has a body in the car. JMO
I have long thought since I heard the glove was found, that the only reason the glove would have been discarded is because NG had died and was no longer in the vehicle. If she was in the vehicle with him, they would not have taken it off.
 
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To rip open someone's chest to remove a pacemaker would be very bloody and leave much more blood, and is quite unneeded
RSBM
Morbid alert.

Unless that occurred post mortem, then there'd be less blood. But I doubt a perp would consider removing NG's pacemaker post mortem at NG's home. That would take an incredible amount of foresight, personal knowledge of NG, and medical knowledge.

That said, did LE, as OPs have posited, announce the pacemaker tracker effort to flush a perp out of hiding to remove the device?
 
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Do we know if there are steps in the garage? I have a walker and I would use whatever entrance/exit is most accessible to get in and out.
 
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Nancy Guthrie: Gloves found with DNA appears to match suspect's gloves in surveillance​


Full statement from the FBI​

"The gloves found approximately 2 miles from the Guthrie residence in a field near the side of the road were packaged up by PCOS and sent overnight on 2/12 and they arrived at their private lab in Florida on 2/13.

The FBI received preliminary results yesterday on 2/14 and are awaiting quality control and official confirmation today before putting unknown male profile into CoDIS, the national database unique to the bureau.

This process typically takes 24 hours from when the bureau receives DNA. Investigators collected approximately 16 gloves in various areas near the house.

Most of them were searchers’ gloves that they discarded in various areas when they searched the vicinity. The one with the DNA profile recovered is different and appears to match the gloves of the subject in the surveillance video.

The FBI has and will continue to provide assistance on whatever timeline is provided to us."




 
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What if it also has Nancy’s DNA on it?
If the glove came from a person involved in the removal of NG I imagine her DNA would be on it. The FBI statement read by BE only mentions "a" profile and that that profile is male. IMO

 
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Petty vandalism. A ticket in AZ penal code.
I think the theft aspect makes it something more than just petty vandalism. Under Arizona Revised Statute 13-1602, vandalism is defined as recklessly damaging, defacing, or tampering with another person's property, with theft (if it occurs,) coming as an additional charge on top of the vandalism charge.

JMO
 
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One of the worst case scenarios here would be if the DNA turns out to belong to NG with no perp DNA present
Yes but it would also confirm path they took from NGs home. That would be significant. Right now they seem to be grasping at straws because looking at a map of the area there are numerous ingress and egress routes throughout the community.
 
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BBM: I don't know about this. Even if it doesn't match DNA in the house, it does have DNA on it and looks like porch guy's glove. We're not entirely sure that porch guy even got into the house. Maybe he was "cleanup"? Maybe he was just a helper. At any rate, he's totally disguised himself and is tampering with NG's front door on her private property. He wasn't here for tea.

It sure seems like he's in a heap of trouble, even sans his DNA inside the house.
I've been thinking about the gloves. The gloves shown in the video are so thick, ie., multiple layers of gloves IMO, that it would be IMO impossible to remove a glove without using your teeth to help peel it off. Your other hand would be layered also, so could not be used to remove the other glove. Here's to hoping that the driver of the vehicle took off his outer layer of glove by using his teeth, then threw it out of the window. DNA
 
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Nancy Guthrie latest: Search enters 3rd week as FBI says recovered glove appears to match those worn by suspect in doorbell camera video​


I'm not sure about this., the match being the masked doorbell person.
 
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This is the most obtuse click-bait headline.

How does it MATCH the person "seen"? The DNA does not match anything, they are saying there is DNA on a glove that "LOOKS" like the generic disposable black gloves seen in the Nest footage. That's it. That's what the article (and others) are currently saying.
 

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