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If this was a burglary gone wrong - burglary with gun?? Burglary went wrong, so you take the 84 y old homeowner with you?? You are trying the remove the bell cam in case the burglary goes wrong?? -, I am wondering whether they had the wrong address then.. (insert eyes rolling here)

ALL IMO

Cheers,
Nin

Excellent analogy. How many burglars are going to take a 84 year old who may have been injured in the attack? They would knock her out, rob the place, take the camera, leave her on the floor.
 
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(If someone posted this previously, my apologies for repeating. I did try to look through last 3 pages & didn’t see it yet.)
 
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It was a Nest - so wouldn't it alert when someone approached (like RING does)?
I think it depends on the notification options you choose within both the camera app itself and your phone’s own notification settings.

edit: also some people put their phone on “Do Not Disturb”/“Sleep” mode at night, which turns off sounds and notifications until the morning.

JMO
 
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Question..
Why would they target Nancy? There are many people who have wealth around so why her? It seems too much of a hassle to kidnap an old lady for ransom but idk, there is so much we don't really know.
Celebrity based wealth could be more public and thus easier to recognize than other bases for wealth.

In the end, the daughter's position as a host of The Today show made her far more visible and recognizable than other wealthy people in both name and appearance. Though the crime targeted the mother, the daughterr's daily visibility could have made the link easier to recognize and to confirm.
 
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Would somebody trying to rob from a house really ring the door bell? Surely the idea is to gain entry without being caught. My doorbell also sends me a notification of a ‘missed doorbell call alert’ when somebody actually presses the buzzer.

I think at 2am most people who conduct a burglary would expect the residents to be asleep.
Right! A visible Nest camera and a side light window on either side of front door, no one is opening to a masked individual brandishing a gun. Could be a great distraction though, while another suspect is entering a back door? If that’s the case, that could explain why front door suspect seemed calm and unconcerned? Another suspect already inside.
 
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I understand that part as far as it goes.

But i still believe that there is an assumption built into the framework i.e the purpose was to do a violent crime. What if it was the house targeted and not a person?

Personally I don't think we have anywhere near enough information to decide which of various unlikely scenarios is more probable, on a purely statistical basis.

But I do agree that if a crime against the person (abduction, assault etc) was the idea, then its likely selective. FWIW
If we are looking at statistical probability, it is low probability that the victim of a random kidnapping just happens to be the mother of a wealthy celebrity.

Coincidences take a lot of planning.
 
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I think he did walk through the blood because I see repeat square patterns that look like transfer from the sole of a sneaker.

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I’ve been wondering about those marks too. My first thought was that it looks like the pattern from trainers. And maybe it is.

But what is a little strange is that we see the exact same pattern twice (at least). What are the chances the exact same part of a shoe landed in a blood droplet?

Could it be something else, like part of a cane tip? I haven’t a clue what kind of cane Nancy has, so take this with a huge grain of salt. (My photo example here is if quite a… robust cane tip.)
 

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I’ve been wondering about those marks too. My first thought was that it looks like the pattern from trainers. And maybe it is.

But what is a little strange is that we see the exact same pattern twice (at least). What are the chances the exact same part of a shoe landed in a blood droplet?

Could it be something else, like part of a cane tip? I haven’t a clue what kind of cane Nancy has, so take this with a huge grain of salt. (My photo example here is if quite a… robust cane tip.)
It wouldn't have to be the same part of an object landing in blood twice, transfer is a wet substance (ie blood) getting on the object once (ie stepping on a blood droplet) and then leaving the same markings on the surface as it moves, like a foot taking steps, or in your example a cane.

MOO
 
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Just think how that would initally look to LE if Nancy's nest camera's disconnected via her phone at 1:47 a.m.?
Wouldn't you immediately suspect family or someone really close?
Of course you would.
But now with the burglary gone wrong theory its possible the perp may have ordered Nancy to disconnect the cameras via her phone.
 
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I posted this last night. LE should potentially be able tie the glove to the Guthrie residence through plant DNA. The glove in question , if used by the perp, should be loaded with lantana plant DNA .
 
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Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos told the Daily Mail that specialists are working with Google to extract data from cameras in Nancy Guthrie's Arizona home, despite initial setbacks due to offline systems or expired subscriptions.

Google said at first we don't have anything," Nanos told The Daily Mail. "But we're going to do our best to try to what they call 'scratch'.

"It's hard. It's like scratching through layers, think of it like you have eight layers of paint on your house. They want to go to the sixth or seventh layer and they have to be very delicate about it not to destroy what's there.

"I just hope they can scrape a camera shot down that driveway to identify a vehicle. Because, my goodness, you can't put a mask on a vehicle, right?"

The sheriff hopes the forensic work can reveal a vehicle used during the incident, noting, "I just hope they can scrape a camera shot down that driveway to identify a vehicle. Because, my goodness, you can't put a mask on a vehicle, right?"

Nanos oversees a massive team of 400 personnel from local law enforcement, the FBI, and other agencies working nonstop, and he says they've received roughly 40,000 to 50,000 tips, sometimes reaching 5,000 per hour.

Despite criticism online, Nanos stressed the thoroughness of his team's initial investigation, saying officers spent nearly 20 hours processing the scene before the FBI arrived to conduct their work.

He addressed rumors surrounding family members, including Tommaso Cioni, clarifying that no one has been cleared or ruled out in the case, and emphasized that the Guthrie family has been fully cooperative throughout.

While the sheriff would not detail forced entry, camera placements, or exactly how Nancy was removed, he confirmed that only one camera was tampered with by the intruder, a key focus for forensic analysis.
 
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I posted this last night. LE should potentially be able tie the glove to the Guthrie residence through plant DNA. The glove in question , if used by the perp, should be loaded with lantana plant DNA .
Bingo
 
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Source: International Business Times, 02/16/2026
Andrew Gould, a former Arizona Supreme Court Justice, has taken the unusual step of calling for Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos to step aside and let the FBI run the investigation. Appearing on Fox News Live, Gould was blunt.

'I think he has made some mistakes in this case that have impeded the investigation,' he said. 'It is my opinion that he should step out of the way and let the FBI do its job. I think his deputies are doing a very fine job on the ground, but my concern is that the sheriff is becoming more of the story than trying to bring these people to justice and bring Nancy Guthrie home safe and sound.'
 
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(If someone posted this previously, my apologies for repeating. I did try to look through last 3 pages & didn’t see it yet.)
This is exactly what happened in my opinion. There are several factors supporting that theory
 

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