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Law enforcement always know more than is being released. They never release all the information that they have so as not to jeopardize the investigation or future prosecution. They are not there to please the media or curious individuals.

True. Also, the victim's family does not know everything LE does. Does the family know more than Joe Public? I believe so. But they sure don't know everything and that's for good reason in any investigation. IMO
 
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If this was a burglary gone wrong - burglary with gun?? Burglary went wrong, so you take the 84 y old homeowner with you?? You are trying the remove the bell cam in case the burglary goes wrong?? -, I am wondering whether they had the wrong address then.. (insert eyes rolling here)

ALL IMO

Cheers,
Nin
 
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There is no screwdriver seen during the footage at any point though. We see him seem to check or feel how secure the camera is at the bottom at one point but nothing beyond that besides covering the lens with the plant.
He does have a handle sticking out of his pocket though, which could be a screwdriver IMO.

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If this was a burglary gone wrong - burglary with gun?? Burglary went wrong, so you take the 84 y old homeowner with you?? You are trying the remove the bell cam in case the burglary goes wrong?? -, I am wondering whether they had the wrong address then.. (insert eyes rolling here)

ALL IMO

Cheers,
Nin

Yes, the burglary gone wrong feels like the least likely scenario to me. I can't see anything that makes sense with that.
 
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Would somebody trying to rob from a house really ring the door bell? Surely the idea is to gain entry without being caught. My doorbell also sends me a notification of a ‘missed doorbell call alert’ when somebody actually presses the buzzer.

I think at 2am most people who conduct a burglary would expect the residents to be asleep.

I think in the video he looks like he is about to knock on the door.

Before he is captured on video I now think it's possible he had already been in her home possibly having gained entry via the back door.

While inside he may have had a scuffle with Nancy in her bedroom since her smart watch was at the foot of a bed. He may have disconnected the nest cameras while inside possibly with the help of Nancy.

I now think he might have told Nancy that he was going to be coming to the front door to take her out.
I think this could be why he appeared to walk up to the door casually and appeared to intend to knock on the door but noticed a sensor which is why he knew he had to now doing something about that camera hence him looking for something to help remove it. That is when he grabbed the lantana.
 
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  • "Is it really for money, or is it for revenge for something?” Nanos said of Nancy's disappearance
“This is somebody who's disappeared from the face of the earth, and now we have a camera that says here's the person who did this,” he told the outlet, referring to the masked intruder captured on a camera at her home.

Savannah Guthrie and mother Nancy Guthrie

Nanos continued, “And that's what makes me say this is a kidnapping. The motivation for it is where we get stuck, right? Is it for money? I mean, we had the one demand where they asked for money. But is it really for money, or is it for revenge for something?”

The sheriff, who has 50 years of experience in law enforcement, revealed that up to 50,000 tips have been received regarding Nancy’s disappearance, per the outlet.

He also previously shared that it could take "years" to find Nancy.

“Maybe it’s an hour from now,” Nanos said of how long it could take to locate Nancy, per The New York Times. “Maybe it’s weeks or months or years from now. But we won’t quit. We’re going to find Nancy. We’re going to find this guy.”

His speculation about the motive behind Nancy’s disappearance comes after an FBI spokesperson confirmed to PEOPLE that a recovered glove “appears to match” the gloves worn by the “armed individual” seen in reviewed surveillance footage.

“The one with the DNA profile recovered is different and appears to match the gloves of the subject in the surveillance video,” said the FBI spokesperson in a statement

Savannah, 54, made an emotional plea to her mother’s kidnappers in an Instagram video shared later that day.

"I wanted to say to whoever has her or knows where she is that it's never too late. And you're not lost or alone,” she said. “And it is never too late to do the right thing. And we are here. And we believe. And we believe in the essential goodness of every human being."

"It's never too late," Savannah concluded.
 
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Would somebody trying to rob from a house really ring the door bell? Surely the idea is to gain entry without being caught. My doorbell also sends me a notification of a ‘missed doorbell call alert’ when somebody actually presses the buzzer.

I think at 2am most people who conduct a burglary would expect the residents to be asleep.
It was a Nest - so wouldn't it alert when someone approached (like RING does)?
 
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If this was a burglary gone wrong - burglary with gun?? Burglary went wrong, so you take the 84 y old homeowner with you?? You are trying the remove the bell cam in case the burglary goes wrong?? -, I am wondering whether they had the wrong address then.. (insert eyes rolling here)

ALL IMO

Cheers,
Nin

Excellent analogy. How many burglars are going to take a 84 year old who may have been injured in the attack? They would knock her out, rob the place, take the camera, leave her on the floor.
 
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(If someone posted this previously, my apologies for repeating. I did try to look through last 3 pages & didn’t see it yet.)
 
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It was a Nest - so wouldn't it alert when someone approached (like RING does)?
I think it depends on the notification options you choose within both the camera app itself and your phone’s own notification settings.

edit: also some people put their phone on “Do Not Disturb”/“Sleep” mode at night, which turns off sounds and notifications until the morning.

JMO
 
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Question..
Why would they target Nancy? There are many people who have wealth around so why her? It seems too much of a hassle to kidnap an old lady for ransom but idk, there is so much we don't really know.
Celebrity based wealth could be more public and thus easier to recognize than other bases for wealth.

In the end, the daughter's position as a host of The Today show made her far more visible and recognizable than other wealthy people in both name and appearance. Though the crime targeted the mother, the daughterr's daily visibility could have made the link easier to recognize and to confirm.
 
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Would somebody trying to rob from a house really ring the door bell? Surely the idea is to gain entry without being caught. My doorbell also sends me a notification of a ‘missed doorbell call alert’ when somebody actually presses the buzzer.

I think at 2am most people who conduct a burglary would expect the residents to be asleep.
Right! A visible Nest camera and a side light window on either side of front door, no one is opening to a masked individual brandishing a gun. Could be a great distraction though, while another suspect is entering a back door? If that’s the case, that could explain why front door suspect seemed calm and unconcerned? Another suspect already inside.
 
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I understand that part as far as it goes.

But i still believe that there is an assumption built into the framework i.e the purpose was to do a violent crime. What if it was the house targeted and not a person?

Personally I don't think we have anywhere near enough information to decide which of various unlikely scenarios is more probable, on a purely statistical basis.

But I do agree that if a crime against the person (abduction, assault etc) was the idea, then its likely selective. FWIW
If we are looking at statistical probability, it is low probability that the victim of a random kidnapping just happens to be the mother of a wealthy celebrity.

Coincidences take a lot of planning.
 
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I think he did walk through the blood because I see repeat square patterns that look like transfer from the sole of a sneaker.

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I’ve been wondering about those marks too. My first thought was that it looks like the pattern from trainers. And maybe it is.

But what is a little strange is that we see the exact same pattern twice (at least). What are the chances the exact same part of a shoe landed in a blood droplet?

Could it be something else, like part of a cane tip? I haven’t a clue what kind of cane Nancy has, so take this with a huge grain of salt. (My photo example here is if quite a… robust cane tip.)
 

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