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I can go with a burglary gone wrong. Could it be that the burglar thought the house was empty? If there was no response to the ring doorbell alert (e.g. lights coming on, no-one coming to the door), he could have thought the house was empty and only knew NG was there once inside (perhaps each was caught unawares?). I still think the ransom is bogus.

I will be very relieved when this is over. I hope that NG is found well.

As far as the ransom - they may not have known that she was the mother of Savannah Guthrie when they initially intended to and/or did burglarize her home but once they had taken her with them and the news went national they may have decided to write the ransom note for financial gain thus the delay.

The ransom author knew that Nancy's smart watch was at the foot of a bed.
 
  • #31,582
She’s been on leave for vocal surgery but now she’s on indefinite hiatus

Thank you. My question was posed was back on Feb 2nd when the news first broke that SG mom was missing and released details were minimal. It did however feel like this was going to turn into something big by SG first public statement. Here we are 1500 + pages later.... IMO
 
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AG owns a Jewelry Store!
I don’t think this is accurate. She just has a small home based business. She makes jewelry at home.
 
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How do we think most of the 41 minutes was spent?

What were they actually doing in there for that amount of time?

Prowling around the house looking for something? As far as we know, nothing was taken.

Would it take that long to subdued/kill an elderly woman and move her out? There would have to be at least 2 people to move her.

MOO.
All good questions. I do think that they have more from the video that they recovered and are not showing us. I hope they have enough that they know if he ended up being helped by anyone else.
 
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All IMHO
Just a possibility that I can imagine happening.

I think this was a planned kidnapping of Nancy based on her daughter Savannah’s notoriety and wealth. A minimum of two people were at her home for the actual abduction but others were involved and waiting for the hostage to be delivered.
I think that Nancy put up a fight in order to not be removed from her home- hence an injury that dripped blood when they carried her out the front door. Possibly an injury to her nose.
I think Nancy was ferried across the border in a van or small truck before anyone knew she was missing.
I don’t think they took her through the heavy cameras at Nogales though but further afield near Naco or Agua Prieta.
She was taken to a rural ranch as pre-planned and ransom notes were sent to the sheriff/ law enforcement with no public acknowledgement before being sent to TMZ and local TV stations in Tucson.
I think the ransom notes via email asking for around six million dollars in cryptocurrency were the legitimate notes from Nancy’s kidnappers.
I think there was at least one designated female “care taker” waiting for Nancy to be delivered at the ranch.
It is very easy to find young “elder care” help across the border and I think that there were one or two young “nurses” in place awaiting Nancy’s arrival.
I do think they were able to keep Nancy alive for the first week of her capture- hopeful that the ransom money would be delivered. If they needed meds for her those were easily obtained in Mexico.
If leaked deadlines from the first two notes are to be believed, the second deadline of Monday passed exactly one week ago. I doubt that Nancy’s captors have faith that any money will be sent to them at this point so I sadly believed that they removed Nancy from the ranch last week and disposed of her somewhere in the dessert. The chances of ever finding her body are slim to none. They may have disposed of the nurses as collateral damage too.
The chances of ever finding her captors are slim as well. I don’t think they found any black gloves that were related to this kidnapping. The continued searches were for a so-to-speak off-chance K Bar knife sheath (or any little piece of DNA inadvertently left at the scene)
The tent set up was to cover media eyes when they re-checked Nancy’s front porch for DNA.

I truly hope they found some trace DNA from the captors and I hope they are able to find them and prosecute them. While I’m not optimistic that Nancy is still alive, I am still hopeful for a great miracle.
 
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This does not ring true to me. I think it's possible this is a Hail Mary by a desperate family for a final public plea. I sure hope to be wrong. IMO

 
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As far as the ransom - they may not have known that she was the mother of Savannah Guthrie when they initially intended to and/or did burglarize her home but once they had taken her with them and the news went national they may have decided to write the ransom note for financial gain thus the delay.

The ransom author knew that Nancy's smart watch was at the foot of a bed.
I haven't seen the location of the watch published anywhere yet--I must have missed it! Would you please link the source of that info so I can catch up?
Edit: I've been searching--is this from Harvey Levin? Have we had an official source confirm this? Vl
 
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Law enforcement always know more than is being released. They never release all the information that they have so as not to jeopardize the investigation or future prosecution. They are not there to please the media or curious individuals.
 
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Law enforcement always know more than is being released. They never release all the information that they have so as not to jeopardize the investigation or future prosecution. They are not there to please the media or curious individuals.

True. Also, the victim's family does not know everything LE does. Does the family know more than Joe Public? I believe so. But they sure don't know everything and that's for good reason in any investigation. IMO
 
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If this was a burglary gone wrong - burglary with gun?? Burglary went wrong, so you take the 84 y old homeowner with you?? You are trying the remove the bell cam in case the burglary goes wrong?? -, I am wondering whether they had the wrong address then.. (insert eyes rolling here)

ALL IMO

Cheers,
Nin
 
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There is no screwdriver seen during the footage at any point though. We see him seem to check or feel how secure the camera is at the bottom at one point but nothing beyond that besides covering the lens with the plant.
He does have a handle sticking out of his pocket though, which could be a screwdriver IMO.

guthrie5.webp

screenshot from video
 
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If this was a burglary gone wrong - burglary with gun?? Burglary went wrong, so you take the 84 y old homeowner with you?? You are trying the remove the bell cam in case the burglary goes wrong?? -, I am wondering whether they had the wrong address then.. (insert eyes rolling here)

ALL IMO

Cheers,
Nin

Yes, the burglary gone wrong feels like the least likely scenario to me. I can't see anything that makes sense with that.
 
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Would somebody trying to rob from a house really ring the door bell? Surely the idea is to gain entry without being caught. My doorbell also sends me a notification of a ‘missed doorbell call alert’ when somebody actually presses the buzzer.

I think at 2am most people who conduct a burglary would expect the residents to be asleep.

I think in the video he looks like he is about to knock on the door.

Before he is captured on video I now think it's possible he had already been in her home possibly having gained entry via the back door.

While inside he may have had a scuffle with Nancy in her bedroom since her smart watch was at the foot of a bed. He may have disconnected the nest cameras while inside possibly with the help of Nancy.

I now think he might have told Nancy that he was going to be coming to the front door to take her out.
I think this could be why he appeared to walk up to the door casually and appeared to intend to knock on the door but noticed a sensor which is why he knew he had to now doing something about that camera hence him looking for something to help remove it. That is when he grabbed the lantana.
 
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  • "Is it really for money, or is it for revenge for something?” Nanos said of Nancy's disappearance
“This is somebody who's disappeared from the face of the earth, and now we have a camera that says here's the person who did this,” he told the outlet, referring to the masked intruder captured on a camera at her home.

Savannah Guthrie and mother Nancy Guthrie

Nanos continued, “And that's what makes me say this is a kidnapping. The motivation for it is where we get stuck, right? Is it for money? I mean, we had the one demand where they asked for money. But is it really for money, or is it for revenge for something?”

The sheriff, who has 50 years of experience in law enforcement, revealed that up to 50,000 tips have been received regarding Nancy’s disappearance, per the outlet.

He also previously shared that it could take "years" to find Nancy.

“Maybe it’s an hour from now,” Nanos said of how long it could take to locate Nancy, per The New York Times. “Maybe it’s weeks or months or years from now. But we won’t quit. We’re going to find Nancy. We’re going to find this guy.”

His speculation about the motive behind Nancy’s disappearance comes after an FBI spokesperson confirmed to PEOPLE that a recovered glove “appears to match” the gloves worn by the “armed individual” seen in reviewed surveillance footage.

“The one with the DNA profile recovered is different and appears to match the gloves of the subject in the surveillance video,” said the FBI spokesperson in a statement

Savannah, 54, made an emotional plea to her mother’s kidnappers in an Instagram video shared later that day.

"I wanted to say to whoever has her or knows where she is that it's never too late. And you're not lost or alone,” she said. “And it is never too late to do the right thing. And we are here. And we believe. And we believe in the essential goodness of every human being."

"It's never too late," Savannah concluded.
 
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Would somebody trying to rob from a house really ring the door bell? Surely the idea is to gain entry without being caught. My doorbell also sends me a notification of a ‘missed doorbell call alert’ when somebody actually presses the buzzer.

I think at 2am most people who conduct a burglary would expect the residents to be asleep.
It was a Nest - so wouldn't it alert when someone approached (like RING does)?
 
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If this was a burglary gone wrong - burglary with gun?? Burglary went wrong, so you take the 84 y old homeowner with you?? You are trying the remove the bell cam in case the burglary goes wrong?? -, I am wondering whether they had the wrong address then.. (insert eyes rolling here)

ALL IMO

Cheers,
Nin

Excellent analogy. How many burglars are going to take a 84 year old who may have been injured in the attack? They would knock her out, rob the place, take the camera, leave her on the floor.
 
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(If someone posted this previously, my apologies for repeating. I did try to look through last 3 pages & didn’t see it yet.)
 
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