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Does anybody think there's a reason that the videos put out by NGs family went from all 3 kids, where all contributed to just SG and done in a more intimate style..it makes me wonder why?
INTIMACY. Perp is a stalker who has targeted SG as his girlfriend. SG is talking to him directly. I am paraphrasing but she said there's still time to do the right thing and i believe in the essential goodness of people. SG already has been briefed that she likely was the reason her mom was kidnapped. IMO. Mom is the trophy here. He can't get to SG so he takes the mom to force SG to give him attention and plead to him. Control! SG is speaking directly to him. IMO, though, this will only prolong the duration her mom is held. He has SG's undivided attention. MOO
 
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If NG wasn’t wearing her hearing aid, I wonder if there’s the possibility an assailant could have got frustrated at her not understanding or folllowing his commands and demands, and lashed out.

JMO
I think this is very possible.
 
  • #31,583
Connections!!

Interesting Article:


Seems one of the Sons to the Auto Sales Company is Mentioned!!! G.A.

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Question..
Why would they target Nancy? There are many people who have wealth around so why her? It seems too much of a hassle to kidnap an old lady for ransom but idk, there is so much we don't really know.
 
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Question..
Why would they target Nancy? There are many people who have wealth around so why her? It seems too much of a hassle to kidnap an old lady for ransom but idk, there is so much we don't really know.
AG owns a Jewelry Store!
 
  • #31,585
Just caught up on Savannahs new video - I felt that video was much more personal than other videos - almost like she thinks she may know the person who abducted her mother MOO
I just see an exhausted woman who is desperate to find her mom. JMO
 
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Just caught up on Savannahs new video - I felt that video was much more personal than other videos - almost like she thinks she may know the person who abducted her mother MOO
I think LE perhaps believes that the abduction was more about her then her mother. The abductor is seeking her attention.
 
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I watched that too. Previous no-confidence vote regarding the Sheriff came back almost unanimously yes. 1 no vote. Cross said Sheriff won 2024 election by about 500 votes. A mass exodus of detectives and patrol resulted after that resulting in the inexperience of those in the department. Sounds like nobody wants to work for him.
I watched this also and highly recommend others do too.
 
  • #31,588
I can go with a burglary gone wrong. Could it be that the burglar thought the house was empty? If there was no response to the ring doorbell alert (e.g. lights coming on, no-one coming to the door), he could have thought the house was empty and only knew NG was there once inside (perhaps each was caught unawares?). I still think the ransom is bogus.

I will be very relieved when this is over. I hope that NG is found well.
Would somebody trying to rob from a house really ring the door bell? Surely the idea is to gain entry without being caught. My doorbell also sends me a notification of a ‘missed doorbell call alert’ when somebody actually presses the buzzer.

I think at 2am most people who conduct a burglary would expect the residents to be asleep.
 
  • #31,589
I can go with a burglary gone wrong. Could it be that the burglar thought the house was empty? If there was no response to the ring doorbell alert (e.g. lights coming on, no-one coming to the door), he could have thought the house was empty and only knew NG was there once inside (perhaps each was caught unawares?). I still think the ransom is bogus.

I will be very relieved when this is over. I hope that NG is found well.
I’m not ruling the ransom demands out just yet. Receiving a ransom demand gives a victim’s family hope, lets them know there’s the chance their loved one is alive and at least somewhat safe from harm, so I think someone calculated and manipulative might want to instil the fear of the family’s loved one being dead, by waiting to play the ransom card until they see on the news that the victim’s disappearance has been discovered.

JMO
 
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AG owns a Jewelry Store!
But is it a jewelry store with gold and diamonds or more a steel type artsy jewelry?
 
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I can go with a burglary gone wrong. Could it be that the burglar thought the house was empty? If there was no response to the ring doorbell alert (e.g. lights coming on, no-one coming to the door), he could have thought the house was empty and only knew NG was there once inside (perhaps each was caught unawares?). I still think the ransom is bogus.

I will be very relieved when this is over. I hope that NG is found well.

As far as the ransom - they may not have known that she was the mother of Savannah Guthrie when they initially intended to and/or did burglarize her home but once they had taken her with them and the news went national they may have decided to write the ransom note for financial gain thus the delay.

The ransom author knew that Nancy's smart watch was at the foot of a bed.
 
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She’s been on leave for vocal surgery but now she’s on indefinite hiatus

Thank you. My question was posed was back on Feb 2nd when the news first broke that SG mom was missing and released details were minimal. It did however feel like this was going to turn into something big by SG first public statement. Here we are 1500 + pages later.... IMO
 
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AG owns a Jewelry Store!
I don’t think this is accurate. She just has a small home based business. She makes jewelry at home.
 
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How do we think most of the 41 minutes was spent?

What were they actually doing in there for that amount of time?

Prowling around the house looking for something? As far as we know, nothing was taken.

Would it take that long to subdued/kill an elderly woman and move her out? There would have to be at least 2 people to move her.

MOO.
All good questions. I do think that they have more from the video that they recovered and are not showing us. I hope they have enough that they know if he ended up being helped by anyone else.
 
  • #31,596
All IMHO
Just a possibility that I can imagine happening.

I think this was a planned kidnapping of Nancy based on her daughter Savannah’s notoriety and wealth. A minimum of two people were at her home for the actual abduction but others were involved and waiting for the hostage to be delivered.
I think that Nancy put up a fight in order to not be removed from her home- hence an injury that dripped blood when they carried her out the front door. Possibly an injury to her nose.
I think Nancy was ferried across the border in a van or small truck before anyone knew she was missing.
I don’t think they took her through the heavy cameras at Nogales though but further afield near Naco or Agua Prieta.
She was taken to a rural ranch as pre-planned and ransom notes were sent to the sheriff/ law enforcement with no public acknowledgement before being sent to TMZ and local TV stations in Tucson.
I think the ransom notes via email asking for around six million dollars in cryptocurrency were the legitimate notes from Nancy’s kidnappers.
I think there was at least one designated female “care taker” waiting for Nancy to be delivered at the ranch.
It is very easy to find young “elder care” help across the border and I think that there were one or two young “nurses” in place awaiting Nancy’s arrival.
I do think they were able to keep Nancy alive for the first week of her capture- hopeful that the ransom money would be delivered. If they needed meds for her those were easily obtained in Mexico.
If leaked deadlines from the first two notes are to be believed, the second deadline of Monday passed exactly one week ago. I doubt that Nancy’s captors have faith that any money will be sent to them at this point so I sadly believed that they removed Nancy from the ranch last week and disposed of her somewhere in the dessert. The chances of ever finding her body are slim to none. They may have disposed of the nurses as collateral damage too.
The chances of ever finding her captors are slim as well. I don’t think they found any black gloves that were related to this kidnapping. The continued searches were for a so-to-speak off-chance K Bar knife sheath (or any little piece of DNA inadvertently left at the scene)
The tent set up was to cover media eyes when they re-checked Nancy’s front porch for DNA.

I truly hope they found some trace DNA from the captors and I hope they are able to find them and prosecute them. While I’m not optimistic that Nancy is still alive, I am still hopeful for a great miracle.
 
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This does not ring true to me. I think it's possible this is a Hail Mary by a desperate family for a final public plea. I sure hope to be wrong. IMO

 
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As far as the ransom - they may not have known that she was the mother of Savannah Guthrie when they initially intended to and/or did burglarize her home but once they had taken her with them and the news went national they may have decided to write the ransom note for financial gain thus the delay.

The ransom author knew that Nancy's smart watch was at the foot of a bed.
I haven't seen the location of the watch published anywhere yet--I must have missed it! Would you please link the source of that info so I can catch up?
Edit: I've been searching--is this from Harvey Levin? Have we had an official source confirm this? Vl
 
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Law enforcement always know more than is being released. They never release all the information that they have so as not to jeopardize the investigation or future prosecution. They are not there to please the media or curious individuals.
 

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