AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[SMK777]

Who presents a “kidnapping for ransom “ event , approx 18 day duration, without never sending proof of the victim being alive ( tied up, blindfolded, on a bed or chair) and the standard “ pay up or else” threats . Something is not adding up .

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Definitely not adhering to the kidnapping for ransom narrative at all.

 

[SaraSmile]

DNA mismatches:

Washington state woman had two children with not the same DNA as her. Court case attempting to take her children. She was pregnant with third child, and jury members watched the birth. Same results. Not her DNA. Jury actually accused her of being a surrogate. Enter DNA specialist. Woman had two DNA present in her body. She kept her children.

DNA accused man of murder, but he was 100% in prison at time of murder. He had a twin. Identical twin's DNA did not match his either. Prosecutors had no idea. Dropped charge.

Alaska man needed a bone marrow transplant, but he had atypical DNA. Match found in Germany. Surgery to his arm. Four years later the man had completely become the donor's DNA - completely.

I remember an episode of Criminal Minds like that! Blood taken from one part of body was one DNA, another part of body was another DNA. It confused investigators at first, but then they got it, arrested perp.

Memory, JMO

 

[steff13]

I went through the early PCs recalling the sheriff saying exactly that. Could not find that PC yet. Perhaps someone can chime in on it.
During the PC a journalist had asked how it could be that the bell cam had been disconnected and yet showed movement again minutes later. The sheriff explained the cam may have been taken off the bracket reaching from the inside through the open front door. He replied to the journalist, that the cam (off the bracket now) had been laid down and picked up again later.

I will keep looking for that PC. I was not aware that the cam may still record after taken off the bracket.

Cheers,
Nin

In my opinion, it's only logical if they had access to the inside of the house from the back door or wherever that they would disable the camera from the inside.

So I think either there was only one person and that's who we saw on the camera, or if there were two people the guy we saw on camera was the first guy and the second guy was down the street in a vehicle or something waiting for the first guy to get into the house before he came in. MOO

 

[cady]

1000 POSTS LATER, people speculating on AI vs real images and 2 perps...I dont think there were 2 perps. As everyone knows by now, I have felt from the beginning this was a kidnapper who had a delusional fascination with SG. She is his fantasy girlfriend .He is a marginalized, socially inadequate, man who has a poetic soul and finds his meaning in life through movies and TV. He is fixated on SG. Probably has an area in his home, like an altar, that has her photo, articles about her etc. He thinks when she is on the TODAY show that every word she speaks is CODE, directed at him. He became restless and decided he must have her but he can't. He went for her mom, instead. NOW HE HAS SG's attention. He also has a trophy..SG's mom. He may also have other trophies he took from the home, family photos, or lingerie from SG's old bedroom, for example.

MOTIVE will solve this case, imo. Obsessed stalker. Someone knows him and his devotion to SG. Watching the Today show daily, saving every program she is on, perhaps mentioning her during casual conversations once too often. This is not a 2 perp crime. This guy acted alone. MOO JMO

I've given quite a bit of thought to the stalker theory, but I feel confident that SG's social media has been and is being combed through. (She lives in or near NY, correct?) I do think that if she has a stalker, he/she probably resides in or near Tucson and even if SG has not been alarmed by social media contact with her or even noticed it, she has cooperated with FBI to allow it to be investigated. If she, indeed, has a stalker there must be digital evidence. We are not privy to that, nor should we be, but I really hope that it is being seriously investigated. jmo

 

[UsernameRequired]

I partially agree with your theory. Mainly that it is one guy. I base this on the internet searches done prior to the kidnapping.
Based on those searches my theory is that a person from Arizona wanted big money and planned this months before.
He found a celeb's mom living close enough in an area that he is familiar with.
He scoped the area both online and in person, i think.
Before i knew about these internet searches i really thought robbery gone wrong and Nancy is sadly no longer amongst us.
Now however, i start to believe that there is a possibility she is being kept alive in AZ en that this was a planned kidnapping for ransome.
Why else would someone so specifically websearch her house (both her adress and pictures) and the salary of SG?
This case has me going in circles continuously.
JMO

Source info on websearches:

Internet user searched for Nancy Guthrie's address and daughter's salary before 'Today' host's mother vanished

Google searches for Nancy Guthrie's address occurred weeks before the suspected kidnapping of Savannah Guthrie's mother in Tucson, Arizona.

www.foxnews.com

Where is the source that FBI or any LE have stated anything about "internet searches" for Nancy Guthrie? (I have no doubt there were online searches but LE has not giving out this info as of now)

Normally I have been a fan of Michael Ruiz's reporting on this case but he is basing this off Google Trends and that is NOT how numbers are calculated.

 

[shonyakay]

There has been a lot of back and forth about a single image of the masked man which I'll call the No-Backpack Image
Note that the backpack straps and gun are not visible:

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So far I've seen people claim:

• "The FBI used AI to manipulate the image"
• "Media used AI to manipulate the image"
• "This is proof that the FBI actually have more videos"
• "It's a different person altogether"

I don't know if any of those are true, but what I've done to check is downloaded each of the images and videos released by Cash Patel (Director of the FBI) from this source to compare them, and I've discovered a few interesting clues:

• The No-Backpack image is not a single frame from any of the three videos released to the public (altered or not) - The man has a completely different pose.
• There is no meta data showing the original date created (if there was, it was lost when the image was uploaded to X)
• The "Nest" logo is not shown (is it cropped?)
• The image size is tiny - resolution is 367 x 546 pixels - this is basically just a thumbnail
• No-Backpack man is not casting a shadow from the moonlight before he steps under the cover of the the porch (in the other videos, his shadow is obvious)

FIrstly, I have overlaid the No-Backpack image (367x546) over one of the FBI's other full resolution images (1536x2048) to compare the size. This makes the size / resolution disparity quite obvious:

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Next I have grabbed a capture from one of the videos that shows the man, roughly in the same position, before he enters the porch (right).
No-Backpack man (left) casts no shadow. Backpack man (right) casts an obvious shadow from the Moonlight
(Note I have cropped/resized images to match each other)
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For reference Moonrise on that night was around 4:54 p.m. local time, and moonset was about 6:44 a.m. the next morning.
At around 2am the moon (almost full, 98% brightness) was in the west (to the left looking out of the porch)
The weather in Tuscon at the time was clear. So there should have been bright moonlight all night.

So what does this tell us ?
1. No-Backpack image was taken at a different time

• Without meta data we don't know the date/time
• We can probably assume that it was before the other videos (since it looks like he eventually ripped the doorbell camera off its mount and took it with him)
• It could have been the same evening, but a random cloud was obscuring the moon at that moment
• It could be days before (a reconnaissance mission perhaps?)

2. The properties of No-Backpack image is significantly different to the other images/videos

• It's cropped (not full frame - refer to the image with the hand/glove - way more of the brick archway is visible)
• It is very low resolution - meaning it might be a thumbnail or a still image from a notification

Thumbnails are a graphic representation of one or multiple files, like when you're looking through a photo gallery with 18 images shown on your screen, each of those small images are a single, low resolution thumbnail file.
Without them, you would only see a list of filenames.

Notification images are like a snapshot of an event that might be shown in the Nest App. Again, low resolution.
With Thumbnails and Notification images, the metadata does not necessarily reflect the time that the original image was captured. So Google/FBI may not know what time/date the No-Backpack event actually happened.

3. Was the image manipulated/altered to remove the backpack/gun?
- We can't tell for sure, but I think it's very unlikely.

4. Is No-Backpack image from another video that hasn't been released?
- Probably not. If the FBI had a full resolution video, it would not make any sense to crop and resize a single frame to release to the public in such low resolution).

That's all I have. I hope it clears things up a little, and I apologise for the essay.

Awesome post. In regards to (4.) I do think they might if for instance Nancy was sitting or laying on that front porch by the front door bleeding.

 

[scandiamerican]

There are pots in that area. But they are not the same, or have a different arrangement, between the time not-backpacked man was snapped and our backpacked perp images were filmed.

What is it your have circled (in garden) in the photos

 

[SRWCF]

IF we live our lives realizing that virtually NOTHING is confidential anymore..even hospital data bases have been breached, Credit monitoring companies, etc etc.. that there are people also foolish enough to put their lives on Facebook and you can google just about anyone and find their address and phone number, you will understand that written consent and privacy, as we knew it or thought we knew it, is a dying concept. JMO

Remember when it was a HUGE deal when someone stole your identity? Like it could ruin your life? I think the more sophisticated the internet became over the years, the more likely your identity would be stolen. Plus, once the credit monitoring companies' systems were compromised, it was essentially "game over." Meaning, if we can't be protected by those professing to be the safekeepers of our digital information, then how can lay people be expected to pay back debt that they didn't incur?

 

[SaraSmile]

Maybe he said that to see if a prankster who's doing it for publicity would stop sending them knowing it wouldnt get posted? But I agree the timing of HL saying he's stopping and then next morning he announced new ransom note- sent is weird. That wouldn't set a good precedent if you're trying to determine if they're fake or not.

jmo

HL is riding this train as far as it goes, cash cow! $$$

JMO

 

[Laura Avery]

What happened to the two original ransom notes, that came the next day ? One where they asked for payment on Friday and another on Monday (or similar) . I know after these two, there was another fake one and they found him. But also TMZ apparently has now had 4. So are the first two also part of TMZs, I thought these came afterwards. It seems the first two have gone very quiet and almost forgotten about

 

[Sdow]

He does. It’s on the ring finger of his right hand. He has a pounchy tum too.

Just checked an approximate height on Chat GPT. Interesting.

 

[shonyakay]

I'm glad to see it finally occurred to him, or was explained to him, that talking about everyone one of those emails could change someone's behavior, or reveal something he didn't intend to.

It sounds like that didn't last long.

 

[1.618]

I think they just mean whoever did the crime. Another way of saying the perpetrator(s)

Who presents a “kidnapping for ransom “ event , approx 18 day duration, without never sending proof of the victim being alive ( tied up, blindfolded, on a bed or chair) and the standard “ pay up or else” threats . Something is not adding up .

True. However, the problem with providing proof of life is that it can give away details about the surroundings (whether video, photograph or audio) and also raise the question of whether it was AI generated. The persistence that she could be returned if the sum was paid is interesting though especially the fact that the time between notes provided to TMZ have been decreasing in length. The captor probably wants resolution for this as well. Although in their mind that would come in the form of cryptocurrency and whatever the media component of that is that was requested in the most recent note.

 

[scandiamerican]

Perhaps it’s not a walkie-talkie in his pocket but a wifi jammer that was not doing its job? Would explain his surprised expression when the doorbell camera lights up, and why he goes for lantana/removal after.

Also, it is possible he may have thought it was recording but with the signal all wonky, which would have made it much harder to see his face and body in detail.

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JMO, etc.

 

[minazoe]

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Definitely not adhering to the kidnapping for ransom narrative at all.

don't forget the dated newspaper.

 

[Walela]

Interesting. So there has been a 5th letter now demanding close to $6mil in a cryptocurrency other than bitcoin (evolving to be more sophisticated and less traceable as they watch this unfold) and having some sort of media involvement (sounds like attention seeking). FBI Contacts Mexican Authorities in Nancy Guthrie Kidnapping, New Ransom Demand

So if NG was taken over the border in the days after the abduction, where did they stay during those days in the US? Some sort of temporary housing, motel, airbnb? Doubtful that they sat in a car in the desert for days on end. In Mexico, they could simply ask NG "what meds do you take? And then just go buy them without a prescription." This would favor not spending too much time in the US before the border crossing (if that did happen) to ensure that she got the medications she needs.

My own opinion is if she is in Mexico she was taken directly from her home with no overnight stops. The border is close, perhaps an hour or so away. We would have heard by now if she's there. LE on this side, and I'm including all the alphabet LE, would have contacted Mexican LE right away with an alert. Just because we are now getting confirmation that they have been contacted, does not mean that they were just now contacted. Another reason I don't believe she's there is the cartels control their territory. Nothing goes down that they don't know about. They have their own Intel that keeps them successful. They do not want this kind of attention. A situation like this, inviting the eyes of everyone, to look is something that they would try very very hard to avoid. Some idiot bringing this kidnap victim along with the accompanying 'heat' into their territory would not be welcome. I do not know, but guess that under the circumstances, if she was somehow taken there, a well placed tip to the Mexican authorities would have been quickly forthcoming.

All of the above is MOO

 

[Sessiebo]

Where is the source that FBI or any LE have stated anything about "internet searches" for Nancy Guthrie? (I have no doubt there were online searches but LE has not giving out this info as of now)

Normally I have been a fan of Michael Ruiz's reporting on this case but he is basing this off Google Trends and that is NOT how numbers are calculated.

I don't think the LE is going to state anything about this at this moment.
Idk if it is related but Sheriff Nanos said he believes Nancy is being kept nearby, whatever he based this on besides his belief i really have no clue
My theory is also partially made of hope that Nancy is not discarded somewhere because that's just heartbreaking to think about

 

[Serononin]

Who presents a “kidnapping for ransom “ event , approx 18 day duration, without never sending proof of the victim being alive ( tied up, blindfolded, on a bed or chair) and the standard “ pay up or else” threats . Something is not adding up .

"Pay up or else" threats are also very common in scams, which I'm inclined to think the ransom notes are

 

[submarine7]

Who presents a “kidnapping for ransom “ event , approx 18 day duration, without never sending proof of the victim being alive ( tied up, blindfolded, on a bed or chair) and the standard “ pay up or else” threats . Something is not adding up .

Somebody who doesn't know how kidnapping negotiations work.

 

[JDG]

Bite Lights are commonly used by pilots for flight deck operations. Does NG know any pilots?

Her son is a retired pilot.