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Again, it’s the context. Not HER vehicle, THE vehicle. I’m not trying to be hard headed or argumentative. I promise and I do sincerely apologize if my questioning this is frustrating anyone. It’s not my intention.

I get it… but NO ONE has ever confirmed it’s AG vehicle. Nanos did not say who it belonged to in this interview. AB is the one that reported it was taken because her inside source told her that.
Not one picture of it being towed, no sensational headline, no make or model, nothing. Just THE vehicle was processed. I get it, yes there’s a “possibility” a vehicle belonging to her is in their possession. Maybe not, too. They won’t elaborate on this subject at all or identify who it belongs to. They seem to dismiss any questions away very fast any time it’s brought up. Idk. It’s off. It doesn’t make sense. MOOoooMOOooo
Well, we only know that TC drove it, so maybe it's his. They likely have two cars. ???? jmo
 
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I just was going to link the charging documents. Probably been discussed here before but there were no “extra” items included by FBI for details, meaning they didn’t mention anything we didn’t already know about condition of the home. No mention of blood inside.



Derek Callella texted both AC and TC “Did you get the bitcoin, were {sic} waiting on our end for the transaction”.

Data reviewed also shows he called a family member of NG three minutes after the text messages that lasted 9 seconds.

No mention of WHO that family member was or WHAT was said.

Also noting the above calls AG as AC indicating she is married.
He claimed his motive was to expose the family.
 
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An Ex-FBI agent and CIA officer, Tracy Walder, has said she believes Nancy Guthrie’s kidnapper targeted her because they were obsessed with her daughter, Today show co-host Savannah Guthrie, or because they were upset about something she did.
 
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He claimed his motive was to expose the family.
I haven’t read that. If you have a source, I’d like to read it.

The document says he was trying to see if they would respond

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He claimed his motive was to expose the family.
Hmmm While this guy has been arrested, i suppose that's far from being convicted. So, this hoaxster was into extortion? That might open up a whole new avenue for the motive by the real perp....jmo
 
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Maureen O'Connel (in the AB video linked up thread) thinks it may have been SG in the black SUV that pulled in the garage. She felt she could have been there to check for missing items that were hers or about her. I've watched her discuss many cases and she's very good at what she does. She's also very human.

JMO
 
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;;;:And where is hubbys car? Surely he has one. Why take just one car - because that’s the one NG was supposedly last in?
Perhaps this link will shed a little light.
*AG & SIL have ONE car.
*This is the car that was impounded.
SOURCE:
 
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I have not been in the “burglary gone wrong” camp - mostly because how does a burglary “go wrong”? Isn’t it wrong from the get-go? Especially at night when chances of people being home is higher? In any event, I was just reading some articles about home security systems and burglars look for 1) homes with no signs of a security system - like ADT signs; 2) easy points of entry often unlocked back doors or unsecured windows; and 3) they hit the master bedroom first because that is where small, high value items may be (in closet, under the bed, bedside) guns, cash, jewelry, electronics, opioids. I still am not convinced of robbery, but I believe it was reported she had no security beyond Nest cam level. And the point about targeting the master bedroom as the starting point had never entered my thinking. Yuck. Makes me shudder.
 
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Perhaps this link will shed a little light.
*AG & SIL have ONE car.
*This is the car that was impounded.
SOURCE:
Yea I have heard her say that in a few places.


Around 26:20, he says "the car..." and its referring to AG's car because AB reported earlier that it had been towed and the sheriff is seemingly responding to her reporting. Also this was well before NG's car had been towed.
The video is dated Feb 5th above so they had the car before that. The car of AG/AC and TC
Yes. I appreciate the response. They never confirm they have it in their possession…. Just that it’s part of the investigation. It’s very ambiguous and why why why no picture? It’s so strange to me that there’s no photo evidence or picture of what her car even looks like, make model, anything but yet we know what everyone else’s cars look like and have tons of photos available on all of them. It’s just odd. Very odd to me. Moo
Reporters weren’t camped out there then. They were at Nancy’s.

Nancy’s was towed on Feb 6th.
 
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An Ex-FBI agent and CIA officer, Tracy Walder, has said she believes Nancy Guthrie’s kidnapper targeted her because they were obsessed with her daughter, Today show co-host Savannah Guthrie, or because they were upset about something she did.
I know everyone keeps looking at SG. She’s a celeb in her own right. They’d be wrong not to look at this angle. I just think if a stalker or delusional infatuation is at play it involves AG, not SG. Moo
 
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Perhaps this link will shed a little light.
*AG & SIL have ONE car.
*This is the car that was impounded.
SOURCE:
Two thoughts:

1. I can’t understate how strange I would find it to find out this family with at least one child and two employed adults, has only one car in Tucson, Arizona, which I know fairly well.
2. But if so, that would be yet another reason why NG may have taken an Uber to their house. (Not that I ever thought that was weird, I do not. I am nowhere near NG’s age and I don’t love to drive in the dark anymore.)
 
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Two thoughts:

1. I can’t understate how strange I would find it to find out this family with at least one child and two employed adults, has only one car in Tucson, Arizona, which I know fairly well.
2. But if so, that would be yet another reason why NG may have taken an Uber to their house. (Not that I ever thought that was weird, I do not. I am nowhere near NG’s age and I don’t love to drive in the dark anymore.)

I'm not sure I can believe they have only 1 car in that household.
Do AG and TC work at the same place? If not, how does the other commute without a car?
1 car doesn't make sense. At least for any prolonged period of time.
 
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I'm not sure I can believe they have only 1 car in that household.
Do AG and TC work at the same place? If not, how does the other commute without a car?
1 car doesn't make sense. At least for any prolonged period of time.
Agree but Maybe they used Nancy’s car sometimes or had a ride share thing going on, I guess one could also Uber around the area as well, would be expensive to do that daily imo, but idk, some people do it all the time. Maybe TC had a motorcycle or something. No idea. Moo
 
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I'm not sure I can believe they have only 1 car in that household.
Do AG and TC work at the same place? If not, how does the other commute without a car?
1 car doesn't make sense. At least for any prolonged period of time.
AG's professional background leads me to believe it's very possible she works from home most of the time. TC would be the one to definitely have a commute. Their child is probably attending the school TC works at, however, which makes coordination of some things easier.

It might have just made sense for them. My partner and I were one car for awhile, the minor inconveniences (for us) of having one car outweighed the financial strain of having another one to make payments on, to pay insurance for, etc. All jmo, of course.
 
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If that were the case i’m not sure why he wouldn’t just say it’s been processed and released back to the family like he did with the house. Especially since it would have fit with his statements that the family had been cleared.
True...
 
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Struggle or no struggle the doormat was walked on by perp and also Nancy blood trails at this point . So by taking the door mat it would enable forensic to see if her blood was also seeped into the black carpet on the doormat . Tbh it doesn't appear to have even been lifted up as the position is the same in any footage we have of the door

For all we know Nancy could have stored a key beneath it and perp lifted the mat to access it imo moo and speculation
Yes unbelievable they didn't take it smh
 
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Mike Ruiz makes an interesting point IMO
Ive said as much many pages back and I do believe it’s very possible it’s one of her students involved, perhaps even acting out some form of AG art (oracular writings) and also a possible U of A connection involving some resentful perceived nepotism on the perps part. However it’s MOO and not a very popular one.
 
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