• #41,181
Last night on BEs show, he mentioned there is construction on NGs street. I believe he said two houses going up? Anyways, that was the first I heard that and it naturally made me wonder about the workers.
Looking at google street view from shots taken just a few months ago(Nov '25)---there appears to be 2 houses under construction just N of NG's house. One on the opposite side of road, and the other on same side.

I'm assuming LE checked both sites out for any potential evidentiary value.
 
  • #41,182
Could it have been a police scanner instead? Spending 40+ minutes at the site, he was in no rush to leave and the only way that makes sense is if he was listening to a scanner.
That would have been a brilliant idea, actually. JMO
 
  • #41,183
Looking at google street view from shots taken just a few months ago(Nov '25)---there appears to be 2 houses under construction just N of NG's house. One on the opposite side of road, and the other on same side.

I'm assuming LE checked both sites out for any potential evidentiary value.
yes I mentioned that a while back and hope that LE had sense enough to look into all the workers. honestly them leaving the doormat and the lantana makes me wonder how competent they are. It is too late now to get any evidence from them though I guess
 
  • #41,184
It's difficult to believe we're this far into the case ... and still nothing; other than Nancy is still missing.
I don't know how she could still be alive and that's horrible.
But sometimes there's a miracle.

My main working theory is someone in the family was targeted and imo it could have been the one who was most visible to the public, i.e., Savannah herself ?
Still unsure as to the 'whys'. 😢
The entire family didn't seem to have any enemies at all, that we know of ?
Jmo.
 
  • #41,185
Mike Ruiz makes an interesting point IMO
I know everyone keeps looking at SG. She’s a celeb in her own right. They’d be wrong not to look at this angle. I just think if a stalker or delusional infatuation is at play it involves AG, not SG. Moo
It’s good to see the facts through a different lens. My hesitation with these theories, though, is that someone who had a problem or obsession with AG could have targeted her directly. NG only makes sense as a stand-in for SG.
 
  • #41,186
Struggle or no struggle the doormat was walked on by perp and also Nancy blood trails at this point . So by taking the door mat it would enable forensic to see if her blood was also seeped into the black carpet on the doormat . Tbh it doesn't appear to have even been lifted up as the position is the same in any footage we have of the door

For all we know Nancy could have stored a key beneath it and perp lifted the mat to access it imo moo and speculation
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“These stories never made sense to me that she wouldn’t come back. And I know Savannah. I’ve hung out with her in a social environment. She’s really ambitious,” he said. “You don’t get to be in that chair. You don’t get to start in local TV and work your way up to the Today show chair without really wanting it. And more importantly, her mom really wanted it, too.”

He added that if Savannah left, then “these monsters, these terrorists, I would say, win, and she will not let that happen.”

Shuter then said insiders told him Savannah could return in “two to three weeks,” but only time will tell.
For whatever reason, I think SG going back to NYC for awhile might be a good idea. (Not necessarily to the Today show). Her absence may just shake some things loose. IE: family dynamics, obsessed fans, the neighborhood etc.
 
  • #41,187
Given her age and health issues, I would imagine they had a key to her house. It's not uncommon. I believe it's been clarified that the timeline surrounding the Sunday morning phone calls was that they were closer together. They were not at the house for an hour. It was only a few minutes before they called 911. Here is the updated timeline.


We were told friends called the family when she didn't arrive to watch church with them. With this timeline, it is fuzzy (probably intentionally) on exactly when the family was contacted. Possibly to protect the privacy of who called, or to cover for an earlier misspeak that made it seem the family was there for an hour before calling 911. The timing of the 911 call will be a matter of public record so they can't fudge that. The only room for fudging is really when the call came from the church friends.

I really "blame" LE for making AG & TC such a focus for people. If that original timeline had not had them at the house for an hour before calling 911, I don't think that would have happened. MOOooo

The sheriff originally said...

Nancy Guthrie was last seen Saturday when her family took her home from dinner around 9:30 or 9:45 p.m., Nanos told CNN.

When she did not show up to church Sunday morning, a church member called her relatives, who went to her home around 11 a.m. to look for her, the sheriff said at a news conference Monday. A family member called 911 around NOON Sunday to report her missing.

Then it was changed again

  • 11:56 a.m. (MST): Family members arrived at Nancy Guthrie’s home in Tucson, Arizona, to check on her after she failed to attend a scheduled church service.
  • 12:03 p.m. (MST): After searching the home, the family called emergency services to report her missing.
  • 12:15 p.m. (MST): Pima County Sheriff's deputies arrived at the scene, according to investigators.
But it still has not been confirmed how they got inside from the sheriff

If they had a front door key ( No Confirmation) they would have seen the blood out on the doorway

And you would be calling 911 quickly

If it was originally 11 am when they arrived, that was nearly an hour inside her house

Then you start asking why it took them that long to be inside.

Remembering Nancy had poor mobility, so she wouldn't have gone too far to search

The sheriff should have spoken about this part of the puzzle, and it hasn't

He does not want to talk about it; So this part of the investigation he's keeping close to his chest




 
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  • #41,188
Yeah, that was my point really. The possibility that it is a walkie talkie in his pocket is the only thing pointing to it being more than one person (aside from it just be easier for 2+ people) IMO

I'm starting to lean more towards it being something to interfere with the WiFi, as I'm having a hard time explaining the the gap between the supposed disconnection of the camera at 1:47am and the video on the porch which appears to be around 2:12am when the motion was detected
I looked at images online and it could well be a spammer or something that would interfere with WiFi.

Somebody this past week on this thread suggested that he might have disconnected the camera at 1:47, hid in the bushes to make sure that LE hadn't been alerted and then gone back on the porch around 2:12 am when they thought that LE hadn't been alerted.

JMO
 
  • #41,189
I also think that he was wearing at least 2 masks and the various types of masks may have obfuscated his facial features far more than we realized at first. This perpetrator spent a great deal of time planning this crime, both in masking his facial appearance and in going to NG's home prior to the night of the crime to check out things such as the nest cam and back lights.

He wanted to completely obscure his facial features, not necessarily because he knew NG but perhaps because he was doing everything he could to avoid his face being in any way seen and thereby diminishing the possibility of being identified.

MOO
Yes, I think 2 masks, the “ realistic” one underneath has a feminine look to me, female eyes, eyebrows. Not sure what to make of mustache, I think maybe a real mustache.
I take it there was a second person, I wonder how covered up they were? Probably similar, so they don’t leave DNA.
JMO
 
  • #41,190
The sheriff originally said...

Nancy Guthrie was last seen Saturday when her family took her home from dinner around 9:30 or 9:45 p.m., Nanos told CNN.

When she did not show up to church Sunday morning, a church member called her relatives, who went to her home around 11 a.m. to look for her, the sheriff said at a news conference Monday. A family member called 911 around noon Sunday to report her missing.

Then it was changed again

  • 11:56 a.m. (MST): Family members arrived at Nancy Guthrie’s home in Tucson, Arizona, to check on her after she failed to attend a scheduled church service.
  • 12:03 p.m. (MST): After searching the home, the family called emergency services to report her missing.
  • 12:15 p.m. (MST): Pima County Sheriff's deputies arrived at the scene, according to investigators.
But it still has not been confirmed how they got inside from the sheriff

If they had a front door key ( No Confirmation) they would have seen the blood out on the doorway

And you would be calling 911 quickly

If it was originally 11 am when they arrived, that was nearly an hour inside her house

Then you start asking why it took them that amount of time being inside.
Remembering Nancy had poor mobility, so she wouldn't have gone too far to search

This part of the puzzle should have been spoken about by the sheriff, and it hasn't

He does not want to talk about it; this part of the investigation he's keeping close to his chest




While it's not a big deal, I'm wondering that if he had been watching NG and her house, he would have known she went to a friend's house every Sunday morning and it seems a perpetrator would prefer to pick a night when she didn't have regular plans the next morning so that would give him more time before NG was discovered missing.

JMO
 
  • #41,191
Hey everyone,

It is really, really important to use initials in place of real names. As Savannah and Nancy, the Sheriff, FBI etc are very public figures involved in this discussion, it is fine to refer to them with their real names, but please use initials for all other private individuals.

We know it's a lot to remember all these rules, but members have been doing it for a quarter century now, and post here every single day without issues. So ... it can be done. Yep :)

If necessary, we can put together a list of initials and who they represent and post it in the OP, but there is no reason that members can't take a moment to think about their post and use initials in accordance with WS established practices.

Thank you.
 
  • #41,192
Yes, I think 2 masks, the “ realistic” one underneath has a feminine look to me, female eyes, eyebrows. Not sure what to make of mustache, I think maybe a real mustache.
I take it there was a second person, I wonder how covered up they were? Probably similar, so they don’t leave DNA.
JMO
The masks were clever. I thought intially that this person was female because of the facial features. When I saw their legs and thought about the height, it seemed more likely that he was male but they did a good job masking their facial features. JMO
 
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  • #41,194
Could it have been a police scanner instead? Spending 40+ minutes at the site, he was in no rush to leave and the only way that makes sense is if he was listening to a scanner.
I wondered that too! Makes much sense!
 
  • #41,195
Somebody this past week on this thread suggested that he might have disconnected the camera at 1:47, hid in the bushes to make sure that LE hadn't been alerted and then gone back on the porch around 2:12 am when they thought that LE hadn't been alerted.

JMO
That's a workable idea alright.

He was seemingly able to disconnect the camera at 1:47am without getting spotted by it (wifi jammer should have the range to accomplish this)

Then wait nearby and observe and/or listen on a scanner. If he was prepared enough to have a wifi jammer he'd very likely also have a police scanner

After 20/25 minutes with nothing happening he figured it was safe to enter but something went wrong with the jammer which allowed the camera to get back online, that's why he was surprised by it and grabbed the lantana and how it was able to get that final video to google's servers
 
  • #41,196
Probably coincidence, but he has a wide bottom and touched his belt buckle in the same way porch guy touched the holstered gun. Would think he has alibi for 1/31 or they wouldn’t have released him.
I agree. There’s something familiar about the way he moves. And that belt buckle touch!! Now where have I seen that before??

The big difference is that this guy is walking quickly in the courthouse video, whereas porch-guy moves much slower. Wonder what his usual gait is?
 
  • #41,197
The sheriff originally said...

Nancy Guthrie was last seen Saturday when her family took her home from dinner around 9:30 or 9:45 p.m., Nanos told CNN.

When she did not show up to church Sunday morning, a church member called her relatives, who went to her home around 11 a.m. to look for her, the sheriff said at a news conference Monday. A family member called 911 around NOON Sunday to report her missing.

Then it was changed again

  • 11:56 a.m. (MST): Family members arrived at Nancy Guthrie’s home in Tucson, Arizona, to check on her after she failed to attend a scheduled church service.
  • 12:03 p.m. (MST): After searching the home, the family called emergency services to report her missing.
  • 12:15 p.m. (MST): Pima County Sheriff's deputies arrived at the scene, according to investigators.
But it still has not been confirmed how they got inside from the sheriff

If they had a front door key ( No Confirmation) they would have seen the blood out on the doorway

And you would be calling 911 quickly

If it was originally 11 am when they arrived, that was nearly an hour inside her house

Then you start asking why it took them that long to be inside.

Remembering Nancy had poor mobility, so she wouldn't have gone too far to search

The sheriff should have spoken about this part of the puzzle, and it hasn't

He does not want to talk about it; So this part of the investigation he's keeping close to his chest




What if NG always went into her house via the garage? If the family members dropped NG at her place the night before and if she got in via the garage, it's possible that they as well as she had (1) an opener for the garage door and (2) a key for any locked doors from the garage into the house.

So they might've gone in through the garage when going to look for her. If the earlier timeline is correct, that might explain why the blood in the front appears not to have been disturbed.

If the revised timeline is correct, they called the police very soon after getting to the house, either because (however they got in), she wasn't there and she couldn't've gone far or because they saw something bad, whether inside the house or on the front steps. The police certainly saw something bad.

JMO
 
  • #41,198
When she did not show up to church Sunday morning, a church member called her relatives, who went to her home around 11 a.m. to look for her

If they had a front door key ( No Confirmation) they would have seen the blood out on the doorway

And you would be calling 911 quickly
But would you be calling 911 quickly without trying to find her for a while first?
I'd be checking out the back, the pool house, the neighbors gardens, up and down the street, and scrubland around the house to see where she might have gone. I would've imagined perhaps she was sick, or she'd injured herself, and gotten confused or may be laying somewhere.
I think all this could've taken an hour, so the fact the family didn't call LE until an hour after they arrived at NG's house makes sense to me. I don't think there's anything odd there.
The family wouldn't jump to murder/kidnap at this point considering she'd lived safely in that house for 5 decades.
 
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  • #41,199
The sheriff originally said...

Nancy Guthrie was last seen Saturday when her family took her home from dinner around 9:30 or 9:45 p.m., Nanos told CNN.

When she did not show up to church Sunday morning, a church member called her relatives, who went to her home around 11 a.m. to look for her, the sheriff said at a news conference Monday. A family member called 911 around NOON Sunday to report her missing.

Then it was changed again

  • 11:56 a.m. (MST): Family members arrived at Nancy Guthrie’s home in Tucson, Arizona, to check on her after she failed to attend a scheduled church service.
  • 12:03 p.m. (MST): After searching the home, the family called emergency services to report her missing.
  • 12:15 p.m. (MST): Pima County Sheriff's deputies arrived at the scene, according to investigators.
But it still has not been confirmed how they got inside from the sheriff

If they had a front door key ( No Confirmation) they would have seen the blood out on the doorway

And you would be calling 911 quickly

If it was originally 11 am when they arrived, that was nearly an hour inside her house

Then you start asking why it took them that long to be inside.

Remembering Nancy had poor mobility, so she wouldn't have gone too far to search

The sheriff should have spoken about this part of the puzzle, and it hasn't

He does not want to talk about it; So this part of the investigation he's keeping close to his chest




Could it be they entered via the garage, hence the 11.56 timing (quite exact imo)?
 
  • #41,200
It's difficult to believe we're this far into the case ... and still nothing; other than Nancy is still missing.
I don't know how she could still be alive and that's horrible.
But sometimes there's a miracle.

My main working theory is someone in the family was targeted and imo it could have been the one who was most visible to the public, i.e., Savannah herself ?
Still unsure as to the 'whys'. 😢
The entire family didn't seem to have any enemies at all, that we know of ?
Jmo.
Agree. Some of the things in the press may have spooked the abductor, such as the police trying to grab the pacemaker signal.

Nancy is a very low risk victim & the motivation is unlikely to be sexual or financial. I think this is about Savannah & some creepy eccentric trying to feel a connection to her by association, perhaps feeding off of Savannah’s pain. I think the abductor is a man who is eccentric & antisocial. Two traits which may be why there’s a (perceived) absence of people noticing anything out of character or any changes in his routine. Savannah is a national figure, which is why I think it isn’t a given that the abductor is local to that area. I think he’s an inadequate man who goes unnoticed. A jobless oddball who stayed in a hotel in the area for a few days & has now driven back to wherever he came from.
They’ll find him eventually & hopefully when they do it isn’t too late for Nancy. But I think that sadly it will be.

My opinion
 
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