• #41,981
It was "tourism"/sleuthing, they were only searching the easements/side of the road, not actually entering onto Nancy's property (shown on several YT livestreams).
Edit: a clearer photo of the metal detector people from Max Gorden/Fox

This is attention seeking behavior. It’s disrespectful. Two random people out treasure hunting in front of a kidnap victim’s home. IMO
 
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Cameras had no time stamps. jmo

According to Kash Patel they do.

"Working with our partners - as of this morning, law enforcement has uncovered these previously inaccessible new images showing an armed individual appearing to have tampered with the camera at Nancy Guthrie's front door the morning of her disappearance."

"Additional recovered images from the same camera at Nancy Guthrie’s front door the morning of her disappearance, including two videos of the individual."

"Additional recovered footage, from the same camera - at the same timeline the morning of Nancy Guthrie’s disappearance. This footage is just before the original video shared, with the individual approaching Nancy Guthrie’s front door."

 
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I don’t know what to make of this.

Behind the scene footage? This reporter is milking this, which I get, but I feel like it should be handled more ….solemnly? Idk. Just a weird feel knowing it all centers around a terrible crime. MOO
I think people were wanting to see his height, physique, gait, etc., to compare him with the suspect. According to Briana, many still think he had involvement with Nancy's disappearance. JMO.
 
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I think people were wanting to see his height, physique, gait, etc., to compare him with the suspect. According to Briana, many still think he had involvement with Nancy's disappearance. JMO.
I get that. Still seems like a spectacle. A reporter should be concerned with the facts, not catering to people’s speculation. We’ve seen the damage the public can do when they decide someone’s a suspect. I don’t think reporters should cater to that.

MOO
 
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Sometimes in public relations strategy including a woman has a buffering/softening effect. In this case, a guy and his mom. Seems sweet. Letting the public form opinions based on what they are showing. They tried to take control of a narrative. It has been hanging in the air since the night of the Swat. Now LD isn't some mystery felon. He's just a man with a nice mom. Do you believe it?
No, I don’t. Jmo
 
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I get that. Still seems like a spectacle. A reporter should be concerned with the facts, not catering to people’s speculation. We’ve seen the damage the public can do when they decide someone’s a suspect. I don’t think reporters should cater to that.

MOO
I didn't see it as any type of spectacle. Just them setting up for the interview. I was wondering if their attorney was present during the interview because it wasn't obvious by the original footage. JMO.
 
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I believe the FBI has person / persons in their sight, but need that extra bit of evidence that makes an 'iron-clad' case. They are 'holding things close to their vest / chest'.

I don't think he's literally saying "Hundreds of thousands of vehicles", I think he is saying we have a few vehicles in on our radar, but there are a lot of vehicles that we have to rule out. He's just been 'lazy' in language. Think about it, he's been answering 'tons' of questions for over a month. His 'forte' isn't answering questions. You could tell from day one. So I think it's to be expected.
There are some very low population counties in my state with little in the way of infrastructure and revenue, and I feel so badly for some of those Sheriffs when a big case comes up and they are so over their heads dealing with the press. They have few deputies and no PIO. It is typically not long before the state police are answering questions for them. Bless their hearts, and I mean that in the nicest way possible.

Pima County is nothing like those counties. Over 1M inhabitants and enough staff and resources to allow for delegating tasks people don't excel at. That's why LE have specialties after all. I have wondered if he has trouble delegating. I used to have that problem. Has anyone noticed how often he's on site during this case? Maybe he is just spread too thin and, as I often say, doesn't know whether he is "coming or going".
 
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Sheriff on Nancy Guthrie Case Gives Update, Says Investigators are ‘Definitely Closer'​


Nanos added that there is still information that authorities have not shared with the public.

“There’s so much that everybody wants to know, but I would be very neglectful, irresponsible as a police, law enforcement leader, to share that with everybody,” he said. “We have information on this case that we think is going to hopefully lead us to solving this case. But it takes time.”



 
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None of us know who is guilty. I think it's naive to make any judgements about LD based on his interview. JMO he cannot be trusted. We'll see what happens. I don't believe he's PG.
 
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They could have at least given the sheriff some sort of media training, it seems he did not have any based on his media appearances - JMO

No need. He's just informing the public of information he can when he can to the best of his media abilities. Totally typical of low fund SO, imo.

He is not performing for online sleuths who aren't in the field with the many others actually working the case, imo.


A sheriff is responsible for enforcing the law, typically at the county level. The role of a sheriff can vary depending on the country and its legal system, but in general, in the United States, a sheriff’s job scope includes:
  • Patrolling unincorporated areas of the county that lack local police forces.
  • Oversight of a county jurisdiction as an elected law enforcement officer, and a term of service that is typically four years long.
  • County jail management
  • Serving court papers (like subpoenas and eviction notices), and providing security for courts.
Sheriff and Deputy Sheriff: LE & Police Careers | B&SC


11-441. Powers and duties

A. The sheriff shall:

1. Preserve the peace.

2. Arrest and take before the nearest magistrate for examination all persons who attempt to commit or who have committed a public offense.

3. Prevent and suppress all affrays, breaches of the peace, riots and insurrections that may come to the knowledge of the sheriff.

4. Attend all courts, except justice and municipal courts, when an element of danger is anticipated and attendance is requested by the presiding judge and obey lawful orders and directions issued by the judge.

5. Take charge of and keep the county jail, including a county jail under the jurisdiction of a county jail district, and the prisoners in the county jail.

6. Endorse on all process and notices the year, month, day, hour and minute of reception and issue to the person delivering the process or notice, on payment of fees, a certificate showing the names of the parties, the title of the paper and the time of reception.

7. Serve process and notices in the manner prescribed by law and certify under the sheriff's hand on the process or notices the manner and time of service, or if the sheriff fails to make service, the reasons for failure, and return them without delay. When returnable to another county, the sheriff may enclose such process or notices in an envelope, addressed to the officer from whom received, and deposit the envelope postage prepaid in the post office. The return of the sheriff is prima facie evidence of the facts stated in the return.

8. Secure, as soon as possible, the home of a deceased person located outside the boundaries of an incorporated city or town if the sheriff is unable to determine or locate the heirs or executor of the deceased person.

B. The sheriff, in executing the duties prescribed in subsection A, paragraphs 1 through 4 of this section, may command the aid of as many inhabitants of the county as the sheriff deems necessary.

C. The sheriff shall conduct or coordinate within the county search or rescue operations involving the life or health of any person or may assist in such operations in another county at the request of that county's sheriff. The sheriff may request assistance from any persons or agencies in fulfilling duties under this subsection. A search and rescue unit established or recognized by a county may possess human remains as defined in section 36-301 for the purpose of training canines used for search and rescue work. The sheriff or the sheriff's designee shall keep an inventory of all human remains that are kept for the purpose of training search and rescue canines. The inventory must be updated when the search and rescue unit receives human remains or disposes of human remains that are no longer useful to the search and rescue unit. Each search and rescue unit that possesses human remains for the purpose of training search and rescue canines shall establish policies and standard operating procedures for access to, the inventory of and the possession and disposal of human remains kept for the purpose of training search and rescue canines.

D. The sheriff, in executing the duties prescribed in this section, may request the aid of volunteer posse and reserve organizations located in the county.

E. The sheriff may assist in executing the duties prescribed in this section in another county at the request of that county's sheriff.

F. The sheriff may require any prisoner who is on work release to reimburse the county for reasonable expenses incurred in connection with the release.

G. The board of supervisors of a county bordering Mexico may adopt an ordinance pursuant to chapter 2 of this title allowing the sheriff to prevent the entry from this state into Mexico at the border by any resident of this state who is under eighteen years of age if the minor is unaccompanied by a parent or guardian or does not have written consent for entry from the minor's parent or guardian. The authority of the sheriff is only to prevent entry and not to otherwise detain the minor. This subsection does not limit the authority of the sheriff pursuant to any other law. A county is not civilly or criminally liable for not adopting an ordinance pursuant to this subsection.

H. Notwithstanding section 13-3112, the sheriff may authorize members of the sheriff's volunteer posse who have received and passed firearms training that is approved by the Arizona peace officer standards and training board to carry a deadly weapon without a permit while on duty.


all imo
 
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Do you work for an unincorporated county sheriff’s department?

Counties have the elected sheriff speak instead of a specialized non-sworn person, imo.

I believe public information officers are more likely in cities. Counties don’t have the tax base to employ a one, imo.

I believe county sheriff’s offices generally have low budgets and have to devote their funds to patrol and jails.

Pima County SO runs the detention center that services metro Tucson and all of Pima County.

So I don’t find it unusual there is no PIO.

There really isn’t a need, imo. The far flung followers clamoring for information then picking over it with a red pen at the ready is their want not a need, imo.

Anyone else is going to understand that the details of the investigation are best left in generalizations with protected details, hopefully, found out at a trial.



All imo

According to their operational chart they do have a public information officer.


But I think they refer to her as the department spokesperson or media specialist.

She used to be a morning news anchor.

according to department spokesperson Angelica Carrillo in a Feb. 27 update.
 
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Do you work for an unincorporated county sheriff’s department?

Counties have the elected sheriff speak instead of a specialized non-sworn person, imo.

I believe public information officers are more likely in cities. Counties don’t have the tax base to employ a one, imo.

I believe county sheriff’s offices generally have low budgets and have to devote their funds to patrol and jails.

Pima County SO runs the detention center that services metro Tucson and all of Pima County.

So I don’t find it unusual there is no PIO.

There really isn’t a need, imo. The far flung followers clamoring for information then picking over it with a red pen at the ready is their want not a need, imo.

Anyone else is going to understand that the details of the investigation are best left in generalizations with protected details, hopefully, found out at a trial.



All imo
No, I don't work for an unincorporated county sheriff's department. I was, however, a working journalist for 25 years before becoming a PIO.

I'm basing my experiences on my current state - Nebraska - but in the cases of law enforcement agencies across this very rural state at least, even if one doesn't have a dedicated PIO, they have officers who have completed even basic public information officer classes through FEMA; these classes are available both online and in residential courses. As a state, we regularly partner with personnel across the state in exercises through the Nebraska Emergency Management Agency.

My point is, anyone who's had even the most basic of communications training (whether or not a PIO) would counsel the sheriff to keep his mouth shut. As I said in our full-scale state emergency management exercise last week, where I served as spokesperson, you don't have to answer every question. And you SHOULDN'T answer some of them - including those that require speculation. All you do by doing so is create mistrust with those you are trying to work with to get accurate information disseminated.

JMO.
 
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According to their operational chart they do have a public information officer.


But I think they refer to her as the department spokesperson or media specialist.

She used to be a morning news anchor.

according to department spokesperson Angelica Carrillo in a Feb. 27 update.
Almost all the PIOs I've ever come across (including myself) are former reporters. We know how to anticipate the questions and are ready with a response, even if that's a non-answer. I think the sheriff would do well to enlist the help of his department spokesperson, IMHO.

JMO
 
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But we know that the door nest camera recorded a person "Lantana man" at Nancy's door. We also know that the software detected someone/something on camera at 2:12 a.m.

What time do you believe that the door camera footage was recorded if not at 2:12 a.m.? 1:47 a.m.? If so, why didn't the software detect someone on video at that time?

Harvey Levin said LE verified to him that the footage of the man at Nancy's door was from 2:12 a.m.

Based on all of the above, logical deduction leads me to believe that the man at Nancy's door was recorded at 2:12 a.m.
That makes sense. I recall that when he first said that, we didn't even know they had google working to extract the pictures. MOO
 
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This is attention seeking behavior. It’s disrespectful. Two random people out treasure hunting in front of a kidnap victim’s home. IMO
I thought the Gabby Petito case became a circus with people camped out in front of his family's house hurling insults but I think this case has now surpassed that circus. JMO
 
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A month later? 😬
hopefully it's just a re-do to see if they missed anything the first time (which isn't a bad practice at all)

moo
 
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